CG quoted as saying recruiting is not a problem

Curb,

Cremins recruiting took GT to the final 4. Coach Hewitt is doing a great job recruiting. It takes that to WIN. Sure, probably Cremins didn't recruit enough players, and when some left it hurt the program. Cremins saved this athletic program IMO with great recruiting.

Recruiting in football and basketball are completely different. The US basketball team didn't get it done, yes. I see your point. That US team like other US teams is put together quickly and asked to play against teams that have been together for a long time. The talent level is going up everywhere. US needs to rethink the way it puts together teams.

I don't care about rankings in football recruiting. Do care that we recruit well in state and nationally. It's more important to find the best quality players and students that fit into this program. The object is to WIN. The pool of student athletes in this state compared to the rest of the country is small. We can talk about the quality of students in this state by the numbers which is a valid argument. The thing is there are still a lot of good students athletes in this state. Some areas of the state of GA pull down SAT scores and others testing criteria way down. There are areas in this state that test very high scholastically.

As far as I'm concerned it's way to early to be worried around recruiting.
 
jacketguy - I agree it is way too early to panic but I didn't think that I was panicking but rather voiceing a concern. I have heard several things regarding recruiting that is making me nervous. The message that I am getting from Gailey is that we are going to have a more national, academic focus with recruiting. He has also said that he will have to do a great job of evaluating talent because we will not get as many 'studs' as a lot of our competition. This has been the traditional Tech approach and the opposite of O'Leary. O'Leary was a fearless recruiter, he would recruit head to head with UGA for the defensive player of the year in GA and recruit the Alabama player of the year against Alabama and Auburn. He was the first coach that I remember at Tech that didn't make a lot of excuses regarding recruiting. O'Leary did a great job of holding our own in state and rounding out the class with other players from the South and some from the Northeast. This has been the only approach that I have personally seen work in the long term at Tech and I think it would be a huge mistake to go back to the old Tech way that produced so many dismal seasons in the 80's and 90's.
 
I wasn't insulting Cremins. In fact, I would praise him more than most. He was one of the best coaches in the game, and easily teh best recruiter, bar none. He had a knack for getting the best players in the country. But the fact still remains that they couldn't always play together. They didn't always gel.

That's why I put emphasis on coaching and teamwork. I'd take a Rudy over a prima donna any day. I think that as long as we get hard workers instead of the most talented guys we will continue to see Tech succeed. If they are talented AND hard working, then we will see championships.
 
Beeware, as usual you make a great point. I'm serious....you usually do. The way you go about it is really harsh and filled with name calling. I know you'll flame away like always with me posting this, but that's ok.
 
Please don't anyone, ever, use the term 'RUDY' or refer to that movie;the team he played against in the movie was GT and it just galls me to ever see it or hear mention of it!!

THWG! FEAR THE JACKETS!!

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I don't pay much attention to the recruiting hoo-ha either. Look at poor ole Done-in. He recruited Quitsy, Daniel Cobb, Hybl, and Greene, all of whom are starting QBs now, but what good did it do him and UGaG?

I'll take coaching any day.
 
CG's goal is to win conf. and nat'l. championships. That, IMO, is enough to make me think he will not short-change the Jackets in the talent department.

That was O'Leary's goal as well, and he was on the way to doing that.

O'Leary went after the talent Tech needed and CG will do the same.
 
Originally posted by ncjacket:
Contrary to Beeware's claim (imagine that once again he is making things up to fit his argument) most high school kids take the SATs these days. In NC basically EVERY high school studen takes the SAT at least once.
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As usual, to quote SNL, you are an ignorant and uninformed 'slut'. You do not...I repeat...you do not know what you are talking about.

In the 2002 SAT report by state, the following are the percentages of some of the states taking the SAT...far different than your uninformed comments above....

% of STUDENTS TAKING THE SAT BY STATE

Alabama 9%
Arkansas 5%
Florida 57%
Georgia 65%
Kentucky 12%
Louisiana 8%
Mississippi 4%
North Carolina 67%
South Carolina 59%
Tennessee 14%
United States (overall) 46%

It clearly states in the report that it is a fact that the higher percentage of students that take the SAT in a given state, the lower the overall percentage scores will be.
There is no comparison between Georgia or North Carolina in which over 65% of the students take the test, and states like Alabama and Mississippi where less than 10% take the test (partially due to the fact that they take the ACT primarily instead of the SAT.)

To sum up, ncjackarse, if you don't know what you are talking about, try not to contradict someone who does.

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Here are the ACT percentages for those same states Beeware posted:

Alabama 71%
Arkansas 72%
Florida 39%
Georgia 20%
Kentucky 72%
Louisiana 79%
Mississippi 84%
North Carolina 13%
South Carolina 32%
Tennessee 79%
United States (overall) 39%

Here is the link to those numbers:
http://www.act.org/news/data/02/states.html

Total those up and here is the percentage of graduating students taking either the ACT or SAT.
Alabama 80
Arkansas 77
Florida 96
Georgia 85
Kentucky 84
Louisiana 87
Mississippi 88
North Carolina 80
South Carolina 91
Tennessee 93
United States (overall) 85

The percentage of students taking a standardized test DO skew the averages a bit. In Alabama, they push the ACT. So why would a student take the SAT? Because they are applying to colleges that require SAT. These students are college bound, and are willing to take a different test to get into their college of choice. So the average SAT score will be higher. Both Alabama and Georgia are below the national average in ACT scores.

The fact is, there aren't a lot of athletes who meet our qualifications, AND are super athletes. They're rare. So if there are a few in GA, there are a few in every state. We need to recruit those few in every state. That's why we have to go nationally for kids instead of locally.
 
The whole point is that this is NOT a change. Because Georgia has a higher percentage of students taking the SAT, so that the Georgia average goes down a few points and maybe another state has a very small percentage taking the SAT and so their average score is a point or two higher than Georgia's .....MEANS NOTHING TO RECRUITING.
To virtually abandon Georgia recruiting because of the average score of the SAT is ludicrous.
Coach O'leary and his fine recruiting crew was already going nationwide. He got recruits from Texas and Colorado and California and Ohio and Louisiana and Connecticut and all over....and maintained a STRONG presence in Georgia.
To make some excuse that Buck can't recruit Ga due to test scores when O'leary and company were able to get Daryl Smith and Fred Smith and Recardo Wimbush etc etc etc is just a copout and trying to cover what looks like a very STEEP learning curve on Buck's recruiting abilities.
 
I find it amusing that there are folks who are screaming "the sky is falling!" with this whole recruiting thing. Its only September! Let the guy do his job and save judgement for January! Enough already-lets enjoy the season and support the players WHO ARE ALREADY WEARING gold and white.

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BeeWare, are you saying Daryl Smith, Fred Smith, and Wimbush did not have good enough SAT tests to enter Tech, but O'Leary took them anyway? We are discussing the selection of recruits that have or do not have the SAT scores for entrance to Tech.

I am sure Gailey will consider all eligible athletes from Georgia, he will probably not take as many marginal ones, preferring to take more qualified ones from other areas of the Country.

I can't imagine why this is so hard to understand? I thought most of the people on this board were GT graduates with a higher degree of learning ability than the folks from UGA.

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Originally posted by ahsoisee:
BeeWare, are you saying Daryl Smith, Fred Smith, and Wimbush did not have good enough SAT tests to enter Tech, but O'Leary took them anyway? We are discussing the selection of recruits that have or do not have the SAT scores for entrance to Tech.

I am sure Gailey will consider all eligible athletes from Georgia, he will probably not take as many marginal ones, preferring to take more qualified ones from other areas of the Country.

I can't imagine why this is so hard to understand? I thought most of the people on this board were GT graduates with a higher degree of learning ability than the folks from UGA.

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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">ahso,
As usual your post misses the point entirely. I was saying that Daryl Smith and Fred Smith and Recardo Wimbush were great recruits that O'leary got....he didn't let UGag or FSU steal them. There are plenty of qualified recuits in Georgia and other states that are strong candidates for TECH. There are plenty of athletes in Georgia and other states that are not candidates for TECH.
For you to say that O'leary took a bunch of marginal candiates into TECH is a bunch of ahso-bullshiite.
O'leary did a tremendous job recruiting at TECH...just look out on the field. Buck has shown little or no recruiting ability. If he turns out to be a fraction as good as O'leary we will be lucky....no matter how much gold-smoke you blow up our arses.
By the way, shouldn't you be out saving the world from direct deposit of paychecks?

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We will win with Buck here...or in spite of Buck being here...at least while we have O'leary's players here.
 
BeeWare, you are the one missing the point here. You are the one that stated the two Smiths and Wimbush were marginal. If they had been fully qualified with correct SAT test requirements, Gailey would have also recruited them. As I stated earlier, Gailey will consider all the recruits meeting the requirements.

I said Gailey would probably opt for more qualified recruits nationwide than any recruits from Georgia that were marginal. You were the one that insuated Gailey would not have recruited the two Smiths and Wimbush, so you were calling them marginal.

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Originally posted by ahsoisee:
BeeWare, you are the one missing the point here. You are the one that stated the two Smiths and Wimbush were marginal. If they had been fully qualified with correct SAT test requirements, Gailey would have also recruited them. As I stated earlier, Gailey will consider all the recruits meeting the requirements.

I said Gailey would probably opt for more qualified recruits nationwide than any recruits from Georgia that were marginal. You were the one that insuated Gailey would not have recruited the two Smiths and Wimbush, so you were calling them marginal.

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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">ahso,
You are FULL of it. I did not say they were marginal. I said we would lose great players from Georgia, like these and others, due to Buck's inability to recruit....i did not say a thing about them being marginal. Like I said you are full of it and apparently can't even read any more.
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Let's face it. O'Leary got big name recruits in the state of Georgia like Daryl Smith, Hobie Holiday and Recardo Wimbush because it was already rumored that Donnan was out of favor at UGA. The dawgs didn't look as strong, the 'Noles didn't go after these guys as strong, Tech was at least winning, so they went with us. Also, any recruits we 'lost' last year, were due to O'Leary's crappy coaching job in going 7-5 with a team that should have been 10-2, and with his abrupt leaving for greener and golder pastures. Of all the tripe you post, Beeware, I am most amazed at the fact that you hold Chan Gailey responsible for the official ratings of our current freshman class. Give me a break. Most of the big recruits we were after (Maurice Stovall, Rhema McKnight, Greg Threat, among others) quit listing us after we inexplicably BLEW the UVA game because O'Controller forced Roof to run the vanilla, no rush defense with a 2nd half lead AGAIN, even after Clemson should have taught us a lesson the first time. Kelly, who was largely responsible for everyone who ever came out of Louisiana, plus Bilbo as well, showed why he was cut by Gailey, despite his recruiting prowess, by stearing a verbal commit, John Doucette, toward our archenemy UGA. Before you light into a liturgy about how great a loss Kelly was, please explain to me why after-Kelly signee Lekeldrick Bridges has done so well early on under the tutelage of our current staff, while big names like McKnight and Stovall, who we salivated over, have not seen the light of day for a WEAK offensive team at Notre Dame.
 
Tech you are so right.Beeware is so blinded with his dislike with Braine and Chan and his Gold colored glasses view of the big O that he is unwilling to look at the total picture on any subject therefore he has conviently failed to mention the facts you so eloquently expressed. Please keep the good work up.
 
Great post Technician.... excellent points... I had not thought of things from that perspective... but I will say again... I think the 2002 recruiting class is going to turn out to be a stronger class than most have given credit.. I like the guys we signed... and think we are going to be thankful to have them in 2006 and 2007...
 
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