Chris to Bama...

JTS said:
I for one am glad that TampaJacket's message of "Don't worry about where you go to college because it does not matter" is not widely embraced.

Obviously as your career progresses you are valued more on your personal contributions than your degree, but I don't think that it is a coincidence that GT grads' personal contributions on average are significantly more highly valued in the form of higher compensation than Bama grads over the course of a 43 year career (not just starting salary).

I am also not being critical because CJ passed over GT specifically. I think that when you're presented with the opportunity to get a better education or a worse education you should take the better education. Regardless of the major CJ has decided to pursue, I am certain that a football recruit of CJ's caliber with his academic background has opportunities to go to a better academic program than Bama that still provides him just as good a chance of making the NFL.
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JTS,

Thank you for your response.

FWIW, I never said "Don't worry about where you go to college because it does not matter", and I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth.

I did argue that college degrees are of decreasing value over time (which you agreed with), and I did argue that individual achievement (including a college degree) is the better judge of future success.

I also argued that we should not judge this young man or suggest that he made the wrong decision in choosing UA over GT.

The facts of the matter are we know little to nothing on what this young man based his decision on, so who are we to judge his rationale or question his decision. It could have been family-driven, major-driven, personality driven, or even color-driven (maybe he likes maroon more than old gold?). Who knows, but who are we to judge?

Have a nice weekend, and a very happy holiday...Mike

p.s. I didn't expect my position to be popular, only right. ;)
 
gt7282c@prism said:
Mike,
I understand your point that having a degree from GT on your resume, in and of itself, is no guarantee of future success. However, I'd argue that by virtue of the fact that you have that degree, chances are that you either started out as a highly driven, self-motivated high achiever or you've learned to become one.

That degree from Tech, particularly if it's a technical one, shows that you've been chewed up, spat out, and beaten over the head repeatedly with a very large stick (or shaft, if you will.) And yet you perservered, excelled and came through with not only knowledge, but honed skills to help you succeed in the work place. You could have had a higher GPA at a lesser school, and still possibly achieved the same level of career success. But, the GT degree is a hallmark showing that you've been weighed, measured and tested, and found to meet a higher standard.

No, it doesn't guarantee a high salary. But it's a near guarantee that the degree holder is of high calibre.

I disagree. I think it speaks volumes. Whether or not it's worth argueing about, however, is another matter.
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gt7282c,

From gt6879a (IIRC), thank you for your reply.

I understand what you're saying (I think), and I agree with it in large part. However I think you are confusing averages with what makes the most sense in a specific instance...

All I'm saying is that a degree is of lesser importance than the individual and his/her accomplishments. Sure, GT is a good predictor of starting positions (and to a lesser extent future performance), but it is the accomplishments of the individual that become far more important over time.

Remember, we are not talking about averages here, we are talking about an individial recruit, who may well be better suited for success (however HE not WE define that) at UA rather than GT.

Take care...Mike

p.s. Please don't tell anyone, but there are many other things that define success other than salary. ;)
 
All I'm saying is that a degree is of lesser importance than the individual and his/her accomplishments.
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Well all I'm saying is that the education Bama football players get won't get them a job washing dishes. Or a promotion to taking out the garbage.
 
beej67 said:
Well all I'm saying is that the education Bama football players get won't get them a job washing dishes. Or a promotion to taking out the garbage.
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Tell that to these guys:

Business
-See profiles Who's Who - in World , - in America (2008)
[edit] Entertainment
[edit] Government, politics, and social activism
[edit] Journalism and literature
{Forrest Gump???}
 
Or these guys:

[edit] Science, technology and engineering
{Timothy Leary???}
 
I wouldn't suggest telling these guys that though:

Active NFL players
* Bama in the NFL -Players (most current)
 
Or these guys either:

Retired NFL players
[edit] NFL Hall of Fame

* NFL Hall of Fame (most current)
:D
 
beej67 said:
Well all I'm saying is that the education Bama football players get won't get them a job washing dishes. Or a promotion to taking out the garbage.
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One more thing, if he defines success as being a dishwasher or garbage man, who are we to question him? Again, people define success all kinds of ways...Mike
 
Tell that to these guys:
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I admit I breezed over the list, but I didn't see anybody who'd received a professional grade education on a football scholarship.
 
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