Coffee is for Closers Paul!

BarrelORum said:
If I'm a black kid in the south, Atlanta is a whole lot more attractive than Oxford Mississippi.
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I think you may be mistaken...Oxford may actually have more to offer to this particular demographic in this day and age. your statement may have been more accurate 25 years ago.
 
Heard a report on Sports Radio today that a poll of kids signing today. 91% chose their school based on the best chance to get to the NFL. 9% chose it for the academics.

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BarrelORum said:
If I'm a black kid in the south, Atlanta is a whole lot more attractive than Oxford Mississippi.

At least if we can't sell that, then we suck, and apparently we suck because we don't even understand the fundamental advantages of our school, and that's the God öööö problem!
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Allow me to negatively recruit against that just off the top of my head. "How much of the city are you gonna see when you spend all of your time in the library when you aren't training/practicing etc. You don't want to go play for a school whose student body would rather solve differential equations than go to a half empty stadium and watch you play a nooner against Duke. No NFL scout will ever even know you were alive in that 1950's offense struggling in the 4th or 5th conference in the country. And their fans will just öööö all over you the first chance they get because they all think you are beneath them due to the face that you are getting a scholarship to play a sport and a special admit to come to their school and tarnish their degrees."

This could go on and on.
 
GTJackets530 said:
Apparently you have missed the past decade or so (I wouldn't doubt it) where playing in the SEC has become a bigger draw than playing in Atlanta. Which is why, yes, to many kids in the south playing in Oxford is better than playing in Atlanta.
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I think the right coach could turn that around.

Not advocating firing CPJ, just acknowledging this fact. Atlanta can be a huge draw. We haven't, IMHO, utilized that ever.
 
wesleyd21 said:
Try winning with 13 kids in your recruiting classes.
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1. We have 14, potentially as many as 16.

2. We only had about 16-17 scholarships available. Are you advocating that we should have signed 25 this year? And if so, please list the 8+ players on our current roster we should have pulled scholarships from in February.
 
killerbuzz42 said:
Allow me to negatively recruit against that just off the top of my head. "How much of the city are you gonna see when you spend all of your time in the library when you aren't training/practicing etc. You don't want to go play for a school whose student body would rather solve differential equations than go to a half empty stadium and watch you play a nooner against Duke. No NFL scout will ever even know you were alive in that 1950's offense struggling in the 4th or 5th conference in the country. And their fans will just öööö all over you the first chance they get because they all think you are beneath them due to the face that you are getting a scholarship to play a sport and a special admit to come to their school and tarnish their degrees."

This could go on and on.
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KG01 said:
I think the right coach could turn that around.

Not advocating firing CPJ, just acknowledging this fact. Atlanta can be a huge draw. We haven't, IMHO, utilized that ever.
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Oh, I agree with that. But it's weird. The basketball team has for a long time very successfully sold Atlanta (though it helps that it also gets to sell ACC basketball). You have to think the football team does similar things, it just doesn't work out the same way.

Whether that's due to the SEC or some other reason, there's a discrepancy there.
 
cyclejacket said:
Heard a report on Sports Radio today that a poll of kids signing today. 91% chose their school based on the best chance to get to the NFL. 9% chose it for the academics.

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THIS

So, the negative recruiting that has always been an issue for a rigorous school like GT is now even worse because, whether true or not, the added negative recruiting against PJ's offense. And, the part I didn't understand fully until last recruiting season is how the other schools use the "cut" blocking argument, again whether true or not, against the defensive players considering GT and the risk of injury. Because we stress this blocking more than other schools, the perception becomes reality to these kids, because they want to make it to the NFL......bottom line.....
 
BarrelORum said:
If I'm a black kid in the south, Atlanta is a whole lot more attractive than Oxford Mississippi.

At least if we can't sell that, then we suck, and apparently we suck because we don't even understand the fundamental advantages of our school, and that's the God öööö problem!
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What are these so-called fundamental advantages?
Please explain why clubs in Atlanta, places that charge money and to some extent care about their patrons being over 21 for alcohol (if a player leaves early for the NFL they could be gone before legally being able to drink). Drinking and partying on campus and at frats and such is the far better option. Related to that, on campus they can be hero's, everyone can know who they are. How many people you think our players find in Atlanta's clubs that know who they are?
 
killerbuzz42 said:
Allow me to negatively recruit against that just off the top of my head. "How much of the city are you gonna see when you spend all of your time in the library when you aren't training/practicing etc. You don't want to go play for a school whose student body would rather solve differential equations than go to a half empty stadium and watch you play a nooner against Duke. No NFL scout will ever even know you were alive in that 1950's offense struggling in the 4th or 5th conference in the country. And their fans will just öööö all over you the first chance they get because they all think you are beneath them due to the face that you are getting a scholarship to play a sport and a special admit to come to their school and tarnish their degrees."

This could go on and on.
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+one hundred million
 
GTJackets530 said:
Oh, I agree with that. But it's weird. The basketball team has for a long time very successfully sold Atlanta (though it helps that it also gets to sell ACC basketball). You have to think the football team does similar things, it just doesn't work out the same way.

Whether that's due to the SEC or some other reason, there's a discrepancy there.
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Think of the salesmen (head coaches) we've had in either sport. Cremins and Hewitt blow CPJ, O'Leary, Gailey out of the water as salesmen IMHO.
 
killerbuzz42 said:
Allow me to negatively recruit against that just off the top of my head. "How much of the city are you gonna see when you spend all of your time in the library when you aren't training/practicing etc. You don't want to go play for a school whose student body would rather solve differential equations than go to a half empty stadium and watch you play a nooner against Duke. No NFL scout will ever even know you were alive in that 1950's offense struggling in the 4th or 5th conference in the country. And their fans will just öööö all over you the first chance they get because they all think you are beneath them due to the face that you are getting a scholarship to play a sport and a special admit to come to their school and tarnish their degrees."

This could go on and on.
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And you couldn't negatively recruit Ole Miss? The punching bag of the SEC west? A place where they celebrate Ole Glory and the Rebel Flag? A place in the sticks?

You want to sell recruits? Bring Andre 5000 back to a game, or even Big Boi. öööö ain't hard people. You wanna know how we landed the 2007 class? Gailey finally figured the öööö out. He pimped out the night games in 2006 and created that connection between GT and The ATL. Problem was it was too late.

It's about to be too late for Paul. I could sell this öööö. We do not have anybody who can sell. And we have a coach who thinks noon games help the program. ööööing morons!
 
BarrelORum said:
And you couldn't negatively recruit Ole Miss? The punching bag of the SEC west? A place where they celebrate Ole Glory and the Rebel Flag? A place in the sticks?

You want to sell recruits? Bring Andre 5000 back to a game, or even Big Boi. öööö ain't hard people. You wanna know how we landed the 2007 class? Gailey finally figured the öööö out. He pimped out the night games in 2006 and created that connection between GT and The ATL. Problem was it was too late.

It's about to be too late for Paul. I could sell thus öööö. We do not have anybody who can sell.
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Very true. Step up your ATL rap game though.
 
I agree we need more Tech men who understand what, how, and why our opponents say the things they do. Roof is a start but there needs to be some upgrades. Not happy with Sewak's effort.

At the same time, the fans need to do a better job of loving the team and embracing it. We don't have enough Dedes is one of our problems.
 
We have a bunch of geek engineering types who are wall flowers and don't know how to put themselves out there who are defending these crap coaches from a crap job. People who don't understand sales shouldn't try to comment on it.
 
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