Collins report card

knoxjacket said:
I didn’t say it’s not a big deal. It’s just not the same.

An orange bowl post mid 2000s is not the same as the orange bowl of old.

In 2014 we were the second best team in the ACC and got to go. In 98,99,2000. We were #2 and didn’t despite the fact we were runner-up to a team that played for the NC all three years.
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1) You realize that FSU went to the playoff in 2014 also, right? The situation was almost exactly the same as

2) Big (Top 10) wins per year:
98: 1 (#7 UVA)
99: 0

09: 1 (#4 VT)
14: 2 (#9 UGA, #7 MSU)

3) Final ranking
98: #9
99: #19

09: #13
14: #7

Care to share what you’re basing your opinion on, other than disdain for CPJ? The 2014 team was the best team since ‘90 by any metric I can think of, so I’m curious how you arrived at your conclusion. My opinion is that by the end of the season, we were a top 5 team that would have challenged for a national championship, if given the opportunity. NOBODY was stopping that offense.
 
smokey_wasp said:
That would assume the variables stayed the same, but they did not. The two Orange bowl teams had NFL talent on them. Post 2016, it fell off a cliff. 2014-2016: 8 players drafted.
2017, 2018, 2019: Butker and no one else.
2020: A grad transfer TE that CGC brought in.

CPJ's best case was no longer Orange bowls, but seasons like 2018, where he had to pull every trick in the book to reach 6-7 wins only to get physically dominated in a bowl. It happens. The game changed. Everyone has a high powered offense now. The scheme advantage was negligible by the and the talent gap was monstrous.

Basically, we can forever appreciate DeNiro's iconic roles, but there ain't gonna be another Goodfellas.
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It wasn’t the game that changed. These are the fruit of the Bobinski years. CPJ just didn’t have the touch with GT boosters. After Bobinski wrecked the place, the fanbase was too split for CPJ to recover.

Stansbury started the money flowing again, but CGC biggest recruiting job has been the boosters.
 
WracerX said:
It wasn’t the game that changed. These are the fruit of the Bobinski years. CPJ just didn’t have the touch with GT boosters. After Bobinski wrecked the place, the fanbase was too split for CPJ to recover.

Stansbury started the money flowing again, but CGC biggest recruiting job has been the boosters.
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When an AD goes months without speaking or even seeing the head football coach in the complex, it's a problem.

Imagine being a CEO and ignoring the department which generates the largest amount of your annual revenue for an entire fiscal quarter. Now imagine the same CEO ignoring what his VP is telling him about what is changing on the ground of their competitors and what's needed to keep the gravy train rolling.
 
knoxjacket said:
His track record and trajectory wouldn’t have looked significantly different than what we did the last two years. Your hero was washed up and quit. Move on.
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It's almost as if one of us is projecting a trajectory based on four data points and one is projecting it based on eleven.

It's also almost as if the one projecting a trajectory based on four is vehemently opposed to everyone here projecting based on two.
 
johncu said:
1) You realize that FSU went to the playoff in 2014 also, right? The situation was almost exactly the same as

2) Big (Top 10) wins per year:
98: 1 (#7 UVA)
99: 0

09: 1 (#4 VT)
14: 2 (#9 UGA, #7 MSU)

3) Final ranking
98: #9
99: #19

09: #13
14: #7

Care to share what you’re basing your opinion on, other than disdain for CPJ? The 2014 team was the best team since ‘90 by any metric I can think of, so I’m curious how you arrived at your conclusion. My opinion is that by the end of the season, we were a top 5 team that would have challenged for a national championship, if given the opportunity. NOBODY was stopping that offense.
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09 - Fridge would have watched that UGA tape and ran for 400 yards on that defense. CPJ would’ve gotten frustrated like he did every time he lost out on TOP and crapped the bed.

14 - Better HC, Better OC, Better talent, push DC.

I don’t think 09 or 14 would force a single punt against 98-2000 teams.
 
beej67 said:
It's almost as if one of us is projecting a trajectory based on four data points and one is projecting it based on eleven.

It's also almost as if the one projecting a trajectory based on four is vehemently opposed to everyone here projecting based on two.
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The first two years a largely irrelevant to that trajectory. We knew what kind of players Johnson was going to get and what they could do.

I hope CGC’s trajectory with his own guys is a major departure from his two years with his predecessors as well just in the opposite direction.
 
So a report card on Collins devolves into two tard fights - one about CPJ and the other about whether the OB is now crap (it is).

Only ST is ST!
 
knoxjacket said:
The first two years a largely irrelevant to that trajectory.
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So if four years is what we need to establish trajectory, and the first two years don't count, then we'll know whether the new coach is any good in 2024?

The other guy who wasn't any good got to the Orange Bowl and beat UGA once in his first two years.
 
beej67 said:
So if four years is what we need to establish trajectory, and the first two years don't count, then we'll know whether the new coach is any good in 2024?

The other guy who wasn't any good got to the Orange Bowl and beat UGA once in his first two years.
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The other guy started out with the best roster Tech had had for at least a decade.
 
beej67 said:
So if four years is what we need to establish trajectory, and the first two years don't count, then we'll know whether the new coach is any good in 2024?

The other guy who wasn't any good got to the Orange Bowl and beat UGA once in his first two years.
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Too bad that other guy couldn’t leave the roster like he found it. Too bad the other guy let Georgia turn into a leviathan by not beating their asses while they were down.
 
gogt121 said:
If we win 3 or 4 games next year is CGC gone?
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Well, he’s winning at least 6...
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gogt121 said:
If we win 3 or 4 games next year is CGC gone?
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Good question.

I would keep a coach around after 3 straight only-four-win-seasons if he'd gotten me a couple of orange bowls before. I'm not sure why we'd do so with a coach that hadn't.
 
beej67 said:
So six years, eh?

I'm good with revisiting in six years.
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If we don’t win 6 next year I strongly suspect he’s gone after 2022 because, as mentioned before, I don’t think he can land the recruits he needs to in 2022 without showing that we are headed in the right direction.

If you make the assumption this team would’ve beat 1-2 OOC opponents this year then you have to win 6 to show any real improvement.
 
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