Collins report card

aeromech said:
Not the biggest rebuild in college football history by a long shot (see Marshall, UAB, SMU for examples). I give you an F and a poo for throwing the players under the bus.
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Would you enlighten me on how each of the NON POWER 5 examples you give aren't even close to our rebuild. In all due respects in a lot of instances it would be easier to find players for a new scheme than rather be stuck with what you got especially in certain position groups. All 3 of the NON POWER 5 examples had a build from scratch mentality which should kinda be put in it's own category. There are arguments on both sides to be made what the hardest obstacles would be. But for instance CGC honored all of the previous scholarships given to his first class. This is a predicimate that non of your examples would've had to deal with to make an example. I'm not saying either that it's all bad necessarily but just going to prove you're trying to make a correlation between apples and NON POWER 5 oranges.
 
Old-Fashioned UGA Hater said:
Would you enlighten me on how each of the NON POWER 5 examples you give aren't even close to our rebuild. In all due respects in a lot of instances it would be easier to find players for a new scheme than rather be stuck with what you got especially in certain position groups. All 3 of the NON POWER 5 examples had a build from scratch mentality which should kinda be put in it's own category. There are arguments on both sides to be made what the hardest obstacles would be. But for instance CGC honored all of the previous scholarships given to his first class. This is a predicimate that non of your examples would've had to deal with to make an example. I'm not saying either that it's all bad necessarily but just going to prove you're trying to make a correlation between apples and NON POWER 5 oranges.
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I guess SMU would've been considered in a "big" conference at the time of their death penalty but there's a case to argue this helped doom the southwest conference too.
 
Culture based on effort. Juice crew. Maxing out the catapult system. That’s been the early emphasis. Go all out on every play. Longer term, I think it will pay off. Short term, you’ve got young players thinking a lot more about disruption than discipline. Way too many penalties and turnovers. I’m counting on the fact that with more experience, both of those will go down. I think it’s shortsighted to just look at W-L at thus far particularly this year with all the medical “unavailable“ going on. About the only position group I’m disappointed in (besides place kickers) are the DBs. The young DEs like Dominick and Ryans I find very exciting because our pass rush has been so bad for so long.

A worthwhile eval really can’t be done until after next year where a lower bowl is the expectation.
 
ComputerNut62 said:
It’s interesting how a lot of people recognize the bad a lot quicker than the good. Most here gave ST an F. FG kicking post Butker has been an F. Punting is part of ST too. Pressley Harvin has been All American caliber and the gunners have been excellent. We’ve done a lot more punting than placekicking and not one person mentioned it.
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FG-F. Kickoff-F. Extra points-F. Kickoff Returns-C. Punt returns-F. Punting-B.

Harbin missed games and was not perfect. Did we block anything?
 
GTCrew said:
FG-F. Kickoff-F. Extra points-F. Kickoff Returns-C. Punt returns-F. Punting-B.

Harbin missed games and was not perfect. Did we block anything?
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Fake extra points - F
Fake punts from inside opponent's 30 - F
 
Old-Fashioned UGA Hater said:
Would you enlighten me on how each of the NON POWER 5 examples you give aren't even close to our rebuild. In all due respects in a lot of instances it would be easier to find players for a new scheme than rather be stuck with what you got especially in certain position groups. All 3 of the NON POWER 5 examples had a build from scratch mentality which should kinda be put in it's own category. There are arguments on both sides to be made what the hardest obstacles would be. But for instance CGC honored all of the previous scholarships given to his first class. This is a predicimate that non of your examples would've had to deal with to make an example. I'm not saying either that it's all bad necessarily but just going to prove you're trying to make a correlation between apples and NON POWER 5 oranges.
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Seriously?? Pretty much everyone at Marshall died. UAB had their program cancelled. SMU got the death penalty. Transitioning from an option offense is a cake walk compared to any of that. I know this argument is futile because many of you believe we had a 6'1" offensive line when CPJ left and CPJ didn't even recruit OL anyway. Nevermind that we have this magic portal now where experienced players suddenly appear out of seemingly no where. Compare the portal to Marshall having to petition the NCAA to let freshmen play.
 
aeromech said:
Seriously?? Pretty much everyone at Marshall died. UAB had their program cancelled. SMU got the death penalty. Transitioning from an option offense is a cake walk compared to any of that. I know this argument is futile because many of you believe we had a 6'1" offensive line when CPJ left and CPJ didn't even recruit OL anyway. Nevermind that we have this magic portal now where experienced players suddenly appear out of seemingly no where. Compare the portal to Marshall having to petition the NCAA to let freshmen play.
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Give me some big boy football examples? I know what happened at each of these schools and it's starting from scratch. It's apples and oranges and again it's not power 5. A total rebuild for a power 5 would exponentially tougher too.
 
Old-Fashioned UGA Hater said:
Give me some big boy football examples? I know what happened at each of these schools and it's starting from scratch. It's apples and oranges and again it's not power 5. A total rebuild for a power 5 would exponentially tougher too.
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:facepalm: If it gives you comfort to tell yourself this is the biggest challenge in football history, then hang on to that belief there buddy.
 
D-.
His recruiting barely saves him from a failing grade.
6-16. No wins over a team that will finish this year with a winning record or had one last year. Losses to The Citadel and to Syracuse, which finished 1-10. That's not lack of talent. That's something else.
His culture should be in place now. Hell, he took credit for Temple beating us because of the culture he put in place. So his imprint should be on the program now, because it's been the same length of time. Plus, we've had nearly two full years of our new S&C coach. Where are those benefits and results?
He showed a thin skin a few weeks ago when he finally faced something resembling critical questions and he answered with "I'm keeping score."
Dude - if you're so focused on the long haul and big picture, you shouldn't be bothering with "keeping score." And if you are, coach, well the scoreboard says 6-16. Of those 16 Ls, 14 have been by double digits, including all seven this year.
One more thing - the handshake thing with Narduzzi and his following BS explanation is embarrassing, embarrassing to him, the program and the school.
 
Jacketblind said:
Turnovers hurt those numbers, I'll still give it a C
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I’m pretty sure turnovers are part of football. Good teams avoid them.

We‘re 12th in the ACC in offense under Geoff Collins. Only Syracuse and Duke are (just slightly) worse. That’s a C to you?

I’m all about some optimism. That’s why I am giving him so much credit for the culture building. But let’s not pretend the offense is anything but bad. We plummeted from a perennial top 3 ACC offense to 12th.
 
johncu said:
I’m pretty sure turnovers are part of football. Good teams avoid them.

We‘re 12th in the ACC in offense under Geoff Collins. Only Syracuse and Duke are (just slightly) worse. That’s a C to you?

I’m all about some optimism. That’s why I am giving him so much credit for the culture building. But let’s not pretend the offense is anything but bad. We plummeted from a perennial top 3 ACC offense to 12th.
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Perennial top 3? That's a stretch.
 
Jacketblind said:
Perennial top 3? That's a stretch.
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No, it isn’t. Most recently, we ranked 2nd in 2018 in a below average year. We were 1st at times before Clemson’s rise. We regularly dominated on offense despite being at a talent disadvantage, and now we’re getting steamrolled by teams who have lesser or equal talent to us and you want to give it a C.

Like I said, I’m hopeful that we see a big jump next year. We did go from embarrassingly pathetic in Year 1 to just bad in Year 2 and have brought in some better talent, so there is reason to hope.
 
swampsting said:
D-.
His recruiting barely saves him from a failing grade.
6-16. No wins over a team that will finish this year with a winning record or had one last year. Losses to The Citadel and to Syracuse, which finished 1-10. That's not lack of talent. That's something else.
His culture should be in place now. Hell, he took credit for Temple beating us because of the culture he put in place. So his imprint should be on the program now, because it's been the same length of time. Plus, we've had nearly two full years of our new S&C coach. Where are those benefits and results?
He showed a thin skin a few weeks ago when he finally faced something resembling critical questions and he answered with "I'm keeping score."
Dude - if you're so focused on the long haul and big picture, you shouldn't be bothering with "keeping score." And if you are, coach, well the scoreboard says 6-16. Of those 16 Ls, 14 have been by double digits, including all seven this year.
One more thing - the handshake thing with Narduzzi and his following BS explanation is embarrassing, embarrassing to him, the program and the school.
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It's embarrassing that you can't take a minute to pull your head out of CPJ's butthole and give a little credence that he's dealing with a rebuild. You rebuild deniers are something else. Do you believe the holocaust happened, and do you think covid is a prank? Oh and ask Cottrell how the strength and conditioning works.
 
GTYJ said:
Ridiculous.
3-7 is really bad.
Blown out by UCF, Syracuse, Boston College, Notre Dame & Clemson.
Losing to Pitt & NC State by double digits.
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Vegas had us at 2.5 wins so they were right on the money but they actually know what CGC's is up against unlike a bunch of retarded tech fans who thought you click your heels and become a .500 team overnight.
 
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