Collins report card

johncu said:
I wanted to bring some stats to the table, especially in judging the offensive and defensive units. I used Football Outsiders’ FEI ratings, which are (IMO) the best I’ve been able to find. I’ve included the national ranking of each unit below.

Defense: D-
2019: 96
2020: 73
CPJ fired 3 different DCs for putting up results like this. Actually, this is slightly worse. Only reason it isn’t an F is because we are still significantly lacking talent, but you’d like to at least see improvement from previous years that we all acknowledged as bad.

Offense: D+
2019: 100
2020: 78
We went from being the best non-Clemson offense in the ACC to a joke. Last year was an F-, but we did improve significantly this year, even with freshman in key roles. I’m a bit more optimistic here.

Special Teams: F
Do I really need to elaborate?

Game Management: D
Wasted timeouts, penalties by unprepared players, bad situational play calls - he looks like an unseasoned coach here, but that’s not unexpected because he still is.

Everything Else: A-
Culture, recruiting, branding, fan outreach - all markedly improved. I’ll give CGC full credit, because he made an effort here and I do think it will cause the above grades to improve.

Going forward, I’m interested to see if we make any coaching changes. Other than RB and OL, I’m not convinced that any position group is playing particularly well, nor am I sold on either coordinator.
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Good post. I think the hits to the OL & DL due to injuries, attrition, recruiting misses would cause problems for offense and defense regardless of whether we were transitioning. I'm not going to criticize CGC for that as he inherited a thin roster for those positions.

The biggest criticisms, as @Tshirt Man noted in his post, is the way we're losing. Expanding on it, what seems to be regression at the deeper positions on defense under a coach that is supposed to be defense oriented is a big concern. The regression on ST and penalties (which have nothing to do with the transition) is concerning.
 
MACHETE said:
C- sounds about right. Disappointed that the team plays sloppy with too many missed tackles/assignments and too many penalties. That's coaching.
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Wrong. That's practice time. Not sure how much of that is available with Covid restrictions.
 
ncjacket said:
It’s the time frame man. When those schools were running the option lots of teams were doing it and many of the top players were fine with playing in it. College football changed and they changed with the times so they were not an outlier and simply continued their recruiting success (maybe not Neb. but for other reasons). We switched to the option when no one else at the P5 level was doing it and it led to a decline in recruiting. The transition back is happening while attempting to turn around our image with HS kids to change the recruiting momentum. It is a bigger change than what you want to admit.

Also would add that most of our higher rated recruits on Paul’s last few classes were DBs if memory serves. While that’s great not having the DL and LBs means the DBs are going to ne
at a huge disadvantage no matter how good they are
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Did Oklahoma and Nebraska's OL struggle to convert and commit penalties galore? Btw, how did I not admit it was in fact a big deal to transition the LOS? Did Bama and Auburn struggle to this degree? Did the OL transfers from Ole Miss, Vandy, and UT along with Williams our promising Fr OL, have technique issues left over from the TO? No, yet we still struggled.
Look, just because it's a challenging transition, doesn't mean it's a get of jail free card. Now, the greatest transition in CFB history, might be such a card, but even then it's legitimacy is running out soon. You have to look at how things are going based on the circumstances and not assume that.....well it's tough so our new coaches must be doing a bang up job. Doesn't work that way. It's like Coach P said wtte: "I simply can't tolerate dead ball penalties", plus scores of successful coaches won't tolerate a turnover issue.
Penalties and turnovers are not the only issues either. In total, these issues are a bigger factor than what you want to admit.
Bottom line, I think based on CGC's improved recruiting and hopefully learning more on the job, will mean he's our coach for quite some time, but neither he or our recruiting efforts need a hyperbolized transition label.
 
GoldZ said:
Did Oklahoma and Nebraska's OL struggle to convert and commit penalties galore? Btw, how did I not admit it was in fact a big deal to transition the LOS? Did Bama and Auburn struggle to this degree? Did the OL transfers from Ole Miss, Vandy, and UT along with Williams our promising Fr OL, have technique issues left over from the TO? No, yet we still struggled.
Look, just because it's a challenging transition, doesn't mean it's a get of jail free card. Now, the greatest transition in CFB history, might be such a card, but even then it's legitimacy is running out soon. You have to look at how things are going based on the circumstances and not assume that.....well it's tough so our new coaches must be doing a bang up job. Doesn't work that way. It's like Coach P said wtte: "I simply can't tolerate dead ball penalties", plus scores of successful coaches won't tolerate a turnover issue.
Penalties and turnovers are not the only issues either. In total, these issues are a bigger factor than what you want to admit.
Bottom line, I think based on CGC's improved recruiting and hopefully learning more on the job, will mean he's our coach for quite some time, but neither he or our recruiting efforts need a hyperbolized transition label.
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The OLs back in the option days didn’t operate like PJs. I was in the Technique staff when Pepper was here and interviewed guys like Kent Hill and Jeff Urczyk about the wishbone. They typically either made a normal drive block or hit the DL on the way to the LB. Theh weren’t worried about putting their man down, it was more about slowing them enough to have the QB time for the mesh and getting the LB out of the play. More of a screen than the cut blocking PJ used. They also weren’t under sized compare to other teams. You’re simply not comparing apples to apples.
 
savbandjacket said:
Not only that, but with a known young team moving to a new offense with new coaches that really needed intense offseason practice, he got dealt Covid. Now it affects everyone, but older and more established teams were better suited to weather that. It robbed us of time to gel as a team.

We don’t have open revolt like some other teams are having. Look at Michigan and LSU as examples of how bad things could be.
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Big difference, they will only be down for a year. Ask the Florida Gators
 
mts315 said:
Stole this format from @Jacketblind

Recruiting - A, we literally had one of the top 5 classes in GT history in season one and probably a top 10 this year. Not to mention the transfers
Juice/Hype - A, goes with out saying the GT brand has not been "cooler" in my lifetime. That includes the 1990 NC
Special teams - F, deserved
Offense - B-, Not sure if this is fair given what he had year one to work with or with a TF QB this season. I definitely see promise.
Defense- C, not sure why but both seasons we have been a much better second half D. Can't do much without a D-line, that is a GT issue.
Game management- D+, terrible here. Hopefully experience is all that is needed.
4 the culture - A+++, see "Juice/Hype"
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Offense a "B-": What in the heck were you watching this season??
D-
 
goldmember said:
I think it's idiotic but not a strawman. About a 3rd of this board seems to think that our talent level is so absurdly low that it can be blamed for everything, from our lack of discipline to not able to execute extra points.
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Putting an 18 y/o kid up against a man with 5 years of P5 training it might be possible, sometimes, maybe, that it's either foul or get smoked.

The second fact you seem oblivious to is that the more obvious interpretation of the point is that we are playing tons of freshmen, because our talent level is so absurdly low that a bunch of freshmen can beat out our upperclassmen.

Freshmen make more mistakes than upperclassmen.
 
GTCrew said:
Putting an 18 y/o kid up against a man with 5 years of P5 training it might be possible, sometimes, maybe, that it's either foul or get smoked.

The second fact you seem oblivious to is that the more obvious interpretation of the point is that we are playing tons of freshmen, because our talent level is so absurdly low that a bunch of freshmen can beat out our upperclassmen.

Freshmen make more mistakes than upperclassmen.
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The OL ain't young.
 
GoldZ said:
The OL ain't young.
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Before this year, none had more than a year under Brent Key.

So call it what they want. They did not have the experience, depth, training, or reps to excel yet.

But I guess in your world, having to go to a walk-on upperclassman qualifies as old.
 
GoldZ said:
The OL ain't young.
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List them. How many GP under this system?

How many penalties did each get. I recall a game with two OL false starts where I'm like WTF then double check and both were on the big true freshman. Then I took the appropriate chill pill.
 
If A = Excellent, B = Good, C = Average, D = Needs Improvement, and F = Failing...

I'd have to give him a D. Needs Improvement.
 
ncjacket said:
The OLs back in the option days didn’t operate like PJs. I was in the Technique staff when Pepper was here and interviewed guys like Kent Hill and Jeff Urczyk about the wishbone. They typically either made a normal drive block or hit the DL on the way to the LB. Theh weren’t worried about putting their man down, it was more about slowing them enough to have the QB time for the mesh and getting the LB out of the play. More of a screen than the cut blocking PJ used. They also weren’t under sized compare to other teams. You’re simply not comparing apples to apples.
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Not really nc, they are all apples because they are all football players. Football players at the D-1 level respond quickly to technique changes and coaching. Have always appreciated and enjoyed your posts, but imo you are simply overrating, like a few others here, the transition. It's nowhere near the greatest in the history of CFB. It (again) IS a considerable challenge on both LOS. Hence the hyperbole references by myself and others.
 
GTCrew said:
Putting an 18 y/o kid up against a man with 5 years of P5 training it might be possible, sometimes, maybe, that it's either foul or get smoked.

The second fact you seem oblivious to is that the more obvious interpretation of the point is that we are playing tons of freshmen, because our talent level is so absurdly low that a bunch of freshmen can beat out our upperclassmen.

Freshmen make more mistakes than upperclassmen.
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GoldZ said:
The OL ain't young.
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GTCrew said:
List them. How many GP under this system?

How many penalties did each get. I recall a game with two OL false starts where I'm like WTF then double check and both were on the big true freshman. Then I took the appropriate chill pill.
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This is interesting. First you argue "18 y/ol kid" blah blah blah; but when GoldZ points out they aren't 18 y/o kids; you switch arguments to how many games played under this system. Is the problem kids vs men or not?
 
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