CPJ and The Ceiling

gtfan1147 said:
The ceiling is whatever the defense allows it to be. It was one of, if not the worst, in red zone defense, sacks and TFL last year. That’s style, not recruiting. At least most of it. Woody will help.
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We were absolute dead last in RZ defense last year allowing 36 scores in 37 opportunities. Our only "stop" came when Fuentes went for it on 4th and 4 instead of kicking a fg.

We were also near last in 2-minute defense allowing 5 scoring drives (average length 74 yards) with 2 minutes or less in a half.
It would have been 6 if UNC doesn't miss a fg.
 
Ceiling is the same as everybody else's. I'm sure people can cite me chapter and verse why "it was different in 1990," but it's not THAT different. As for whether GT hangs on to some whiz bang coach who turns things around--that's not the point. That guy would leave the program in position to get someone better than before he came. It's not an every-year-zero-sum thing. You have a long range plan, and you build toward something.
 
What CPJ needs to get to the playoffs is that one player that comes out of nowhere and changes everything. I know that sounds ridiculous, but not as much as you might think. We've had some in the not too distant past. I'm thinking Godsey and Hollings. Can you imagine Hollings at AB? Or a QB that makes as much of a leap as Godsey did from 99 to 00? We've won 9,10,11 games with this offense. With that one special player, injury luck, and a decent defense, we can get in. Hell, Shaq Mason is an example of one. I think we take FSU with a healthy Smelter that year.

If the Universe has a sense of humor, we are destined to win a NC with coaches named Johnson and Woody.
 
texstinger said:
- I have said before, talking to my area rep on the BoR, it is up to the individual school to approach thr BoR and request new courses of study & majors. Not the other way around.

I have not been able to find any request from GT to the BoR that has been turned down. There very well may be some that have been, and I would really like to see those cases and study them.
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This is incomplete. You are right that the school has to request new majors. However, the school will rarely make a formal request without having informal assurance that the request will be approved. And that’s why you don’t see any requests for new majors. Not because Tech doesn’t want them. But because they know it won’t be granted. I am pretty sure that Tech has wanted new majors for a while (at least over a decade) but has been rejected on the basis that other state schools already offer them. Another reason why we were so frustrated when they provided UGA money for an engineering school instead of giving money to Tech, or probably more appropriately to Poly, to expand their existing engineering programs (since the money would have gone much farther expanding existing programs to meet the stated aim of providing more students an opportunity for an engineering degree).

Sometimes Tech gets screwed even when it has informal assurances (I am not a 100% certain about this, because I wasn’t involved enough to know what was really going on, but I believe the BoR members had informally agreed to fund significantly more money for the Clough building than they finally approved, which led to a last minute scramble to try and raise money from the alumni).
 
rghoae said:
This is incomplete. You are right that the school has to request new majors. However, the school will rarely make a formal request without having informal assurance that the request will be approved. And that’s why you don’t see any requests for new majors. Not because Tech doesn’t want them. But because they know it won’t be granted. I am pretty sure that Tech has wanted new majors for a while (at least over a decade) but has been rejected on the basis that other state schools already offer them. Another reason why we were so frustrated when they provided UGA money for an engineering school instead of giving money to Tech, or probably more appropriately to Poly, to expand their existing engineering programs (since the money would have gone much farther expanding existing programs to meet the stated aim of providing more students an opportunity for an engineering degree).

Sometimes Tech gets screwed even when it has informal assurances (I am not a 100% certain about this, because I wasn’t involved enough to know what was really going on, but I believe the BoR members had informally agreed to fund significantly more money for the Clough building than they finally approved, which led to a last minute scramble to try and raise money from the alumni).
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Then, if that's the case, Tech is stupid. Make the request and make it on the front page of the freaking AJC. Politicize the heck out of it and get the BOR members who vote against it fired or ostracized to the point they quit. Stir up the public.

Instead, we don't make the request and quitely seethe and moan? Jesus. We deserve to have no new majors for being a bunch of bleeding vajayjays.
 
Merge the two Atlanta based state universities. The Georgia Institute of Technology and State University. It could save the state tremendously in administrative costs. The admission requirements to the engineering schools could stay selective but other majors will be offered for those less academically inclined.
 
Yukonwreck said:
Yes he is ultimately responsible for the caliber of athletes we have on campus.
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You seriously don't think that the academic requirements, the lack of majors, the lack of sexy co-eds, the lack of boosters paying six figures to the players parents the fact that Tech is unfun, and the fact that Ckemson just built a Club Med level resort for its players to live in, has anything to do with recruiting?
 
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daBuzz said:
Then, if that's the case, Tech is stupid. Make the request and make it on the front page of the freaking AJC. Politicize the heck out of it and get the BOR members who vote against it fired or ostracized to the point they quit. Stir up the public.
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What public? The UGA fans?

The key to adding majors without literal approval from the UGA coaching staff is to go private.
 
DressCheeseSideSeaboard said:
Merge the two Atlanta based state universities. The Georgia Institute of Technology and State University. It could save the state tremendously in administrative costs. The admission requirements to the engineering schools could stay selective but other majors will be offered for those less academically inclined.
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Talk about devaluing our degrees...
 
andrew said:
Talk about devaluing our degrees...
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They’re going to supposedly get devalued one way or the other if you believe some posters. Since the state has gone merger happy (KSU and SPSU, for example), I was just trying to think of a way to sell it to the state and create easy majors for athletes.
 
DressCheeseSideSeaboard said:
Merge the two Atlanta based state universities. The Georgia Institute of Technology and State University. It could save the state tremendously in administrative costs. The admission requirements to the engineering schools could stay selective but other majors will be offered for those less academically inclined.
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Combining GStU with GT would be GStU returning to its origin. Giving back to GT something the gaggers took in 1947.

The only way the gaggers on the BoR combine GT & GStU is by doing away with the identity of GT. There is no way that they would allow GT to exist with a larger student body than UGAg.
 
beej67 said:
The key to adding majors without literal approval from the UGA coaching staff is to go private.
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Awesome idea. What could go wrong?
After all, it worked so well for the football team when we did that.
 
DressCheeseSideSeaboard said:
No it doesn’t. GSU would have to lose their identity.

Maybe we could rejoin the SEC after that. I know a lot of posters wish for that. We’d be one of the largest universities in the south in terms of enrollment.
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I know you are being sarcastic but it would likely be better to do like Clemson. Keep UGA and then play a Tennessee, Auburn, or even a Florida/Bama every other year. Those games would definitely build an interest among casual or football fans in Atlanta who aren't already GT fans. Auburn in 03 was magical. ND in 05? was a wonderful atmosphere.
 
beej67 said:
You seriously don't think that the academic requirements, the lack of majors, the lack of sexy co-eds, the lack of boosters paying six figures to the players parents the fact that Tech is unfun, and the fact that Ckemson just built a Club Med level resort for its players to live in, has anything to do with recruiting?
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All of those things factor into it, but your list has been the case for decades. Other coaches have recruited better under the same restrictions.
 
daBuzz said:
Then, if that's the case, Tech is stupid. Make the request and make it on the front page of the freaking AJC. Politicize the heck out of it and get the BOR members who vote against it fired or ostracized to the point they quit. Stir up the public.

Instead, we don't make the request and quitely seethe and moan? Jesus. We deserve to have no new majors for being a bunch of bleeding vajayjays.
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No one quietly seethes and moans except on message boards.

I’m glad the people running Tech don’t make decisions based on what will make message board posters happy.

Also, Tech does not have the public support you seem to believe it does with the majority of Georgia voters.

The reason it gets voted down is precisely because the political will of the voters is in favor of it being voted down. Even if Tech wanted a major with no concern for the athletic impact, if someone could link it to an improvement in Tech’s athletics, it would probably only reduce the public support for it. Because, if you somehow missed it, the vast majority of Georgia voters are UGA supporters.
 
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