CPJ and The Ceiling

beej67 said:
You can't throw out good data points on "luck" without throwing out bad data points.
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Lot more good luck data points than bad though.

Pittsburgh complete meltdown in our favor
Brewer throwing an ill advised pass to set us up for the game winning FG
Georgia Southern debacle (even if I agree it was a backwards pass)
Cole Stoudt being a retart and Watson tearing his knee up
Richt calling a dumbass pooch kick
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
Yep.
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If you think Ted Roof is the best we can do at DC, I don't know what to tell you.

To me the answer to this question is obvious. We finished 7th with a mediocre DC and mediocre athletes on defense. With a great DC and even marginally better athletes isn't it reasonable to conclude that we could move up a few spots and get into the playoff?

Will we actually find that defensive coach we need? I have no idea - we're 0-3 at this point. But it's certainly possible, so the ceiling is National Championship.
 
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I believe Michael Jordan said it best," The ceiling is the roof"
 
EastboundJacket said:
Disclaimer: This is not a fire CPJ thread. I’ve always loved CPJ. Still do. Don’t really want to see him fired.

But let me ask this: what do you think CPJ’s ceiling is at Tech? And what do you think Tech’s ceiling as a program is going forward? Do the two match up?

This is a tough question to think through. I think CPJ is a great coach who is strategically excellent and who’s won us more games than we should have given our roster.

But the thing is, he’s perennially responsible for who our roster is. Could one of these young coaches come in and light the place up (comparatively) on the recruiting trail? I’m honestly not sure, but I’m interested to hear your thoughts.
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Yes he is ultimately responsible for the caliber of athletes we have on campus. And it is the players that establish the ceiling for both the coach and the coach's program. I think the ceiling has become 7 or 8 wins infrequently, five or six wins fairly regularly. Lately we have a schedule where there are four very unlikely wins, four toss-ups and four very likely wins. I don't see that changing, especially as the four unlikely wins keep improving and become virtually impossible wins. So we start with four losses and have to make do with our remaining 8 games.
 
Might be fun to see some old posts right after TR was hired as CPJs DC.

Heck, even if they are limited to the posts including one of " he loves GT", or " he knows GT".
 
johncu said:
If you think Ted Roof is the best we can do at DC, I don't know what to tell you.

To me the answer to this question is obvious. We finished 7th with a mediocre DC and mediocre athletes on defense. With a great DC and even marginally better athletes isn't it reasonable to conclude that we could move up a few spots and get into the playoff?

Will we actually find that defensive coach we need? I have no idea - we're 0-3 at this point. But it's certainly possible, so the ceiling is National Championship.
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I don't think Leaky Roof is the best we can do but how can a realist be convinced that CPJ knows how to hire a good DC? I'm all rainbows-and-unicorns but it's naive to think we can do much better than 2014. CPJ teams always manage to lose a few that we should win, as well as win one we should've lost. That's nice but it's not CFP material. It's ACC-CG appearance material.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
I don't think Leaky Roof is the best we can do but how can a realist be convinced that CPJ knows how to hire a good DC? I'm all rainbows-and-unicorns but it's naive to think we can do much better than 2014. CPJ teams always manage to lose a few that we should win, as well as win one we should've lost. That's nice but it's not CFP material. It's ACC-CG appearance material.
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looll
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
I don't think Leaky Roof is the best we can do but how can a realist be convinced that CPJ knows how to hire a good DC? I'm all rainbows-and-unicorns but it's naive to think we can do much better than 2014. CPJ teams always manage to lose a few that we should win, as well as win one we should've lost. That's nice but it's not CFP material. It's ACC-CG appearance material.
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There was not a lot of difference between 2014 and better than 2014 in 2014. So there you have it. Of course it could be worse, but it could also have been better. All depends on ball bounces.
 
It should be mentioned that CPJ hasn't exactly had his first choices for D.C. If there is any agreement that CPJ knows a little about Offense then he knows enough to know a decent defense. Not to mention when these coaches meet they usually bounce ideas around with each other about how the other teams unit will respond in situations. For anyone who dislikes CPJ nothing anyone says will work. I personally feel the teams do need to be more consistent year to year and this could be CPJ last shot at hiring a DC if woody flops. I am hoping things do work out.
 
The ceiling is whatever the defense allows it to be. It was one of, if not the worst, in red zone defense, sacks and TFL last year. That’s style, not recruiting. At least most of it. Woody will help.
 
Yukonwreck said:
Yes he is ultimately responsible for the caliber of athletes we have on campus. And it is the players that establish the ceiling for both the coach and the coach's program. I think the ceiling has become 7 or 8 wins infrequently, five or six wins fairly regularly. Lately we have a schedule where there are four very unlikely wins, four toss-ups and four very likely wins. I don't see that changing, especially as the four unlikely wins keep improving and become virtually impossible wins. So we start with four losses and have to make do with our remaining 8 games.
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CPJ bears responsibility "for the caliber of athletes we have on campus"; but if GT was significantly behind other P5 programs in terms of recruiting support like TStan said when he first got here; then maybe he isn't fully responsible for the level of talent we have recruited. If CPJ's recruiting magically gets better post TStan then you may want to reconsider. I"m still not sold on 2 of those four coaching staffs you allude to as unlikely wins. Gene Chizik won Auburn a National Championship and you see how that worked out, two years later they went 0-8 in conference after some very good recruiting years. Whether VT is an unlikely win is questionable; but some are saying this may be the worst defense Bud Foster has coached, we'll see.
 
gogt5 said:
Either Nate woody works or CPJ is gone
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This might be true, but I hope not. There is very little to be gained from coaching shifts, unless of course Saban wants to see if he can still build a program from scratch (not that I think he is better, he would just come with a Rep that we don't currently have). CPJ is maybe marginally better than the last guy. All these guys know football. It takes some time to know Tech and to build a program at a place that starts by tying your right arm behind your back.
 
There are a number of things CPJ has said he needs to be successful, and many are being given to him now. Nate Woody is just one of them.
 
aeromech said:
CPJ bears responsibility "for the caliber of athletes we have on campus"; but if GT was significantly behind other P5 programs in terms of recruiting support like TStan said when he first got here; then maybe he isn't fully responsible for the level of talent we have recruited. If CPJ's recruiting magically gets better post TStan then you may want to reconsider. I"m still not sold on 2 of those four coaching staffs you allude to as unlikely wins. Gene Chizik won Auburn a National Championship and you see how that worked out, two years later they went 0-8 in conference after some very good recruiting years. Whether VT is an unlikely win is questionable; but some are saying this may be the worst defense Bud Foster has coached, we'll see.
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I read that VPI had lost something like 9 or ten players off the defense two deep in the last year, either by graduation, transfer, injury. And yes, there isn't always four very unlikely wins on the schedule. But you could say Clempsen, Georgia, and Miami will be tough. And it is not impossible, but also not likely that we would run the table against Louisville, VPI, Duke, Pittsburgh, USF, North Carolina, and Virginia.
 
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