Deja Vu All Over Again....

BeeBad, many will also tell you that the worst thing any coach can do is apologize for anything. So Gailey can appease some by an apology and piss others off. He's probably better off ignoring the whole thing and focusing on this year, it's something he can't win.
 
So right NCJacket! I was listening to Paul Finebaum's radio show sometime last football season. If you know his show, it's MOSTLY Alabama and Auburn with a little SEC thrown in for good measure. This day last fall, an irate CLEMSON fan phones in to blast Tommy Tuberville who had apologized to the fans after a terrible loss saying he didn't prepare the team. This guy seemed to say that "we don't want apologies, we want WINS".

Some ARE never happy.
 
NCJacket, if anyone needed to apologize for that game, there is plenty of responsibility to go around.

Chan could apologize, BOB, Tenuta, the special teams coach, the players, etc.

It would be hard to place the blame on any one person.

Just from a personal viewpoint from watching the last two games, I saw a lot of players who did not seem to give it their best shot.

Maybe, he figured he could not honestly apologize without naming names. That could have been much more divisive.

So, you are probably right about the possibility of making matters worse. He could have well thought it better to say nothing.

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NC.. at any rate, gailey & his minions need to cop a new attitude... the gameplan isn't working... Do you think gailey honestly doesn't care about PR, does he not have the mental capacity to understand how a good image would work for him... or do you think he's just flat out ignorant??
 
Our season is about to start, guys. All this negative grumbling needs to stop. It is time to get behind our team and cheer them to victory.

The hyper critical negativity is like tieing an anchor to a man who is swimming for his life. If you keep it up, then we know that your goal is not for the team's welfare; it is for your negative agenda.

The time for evaluation of CG is ahead of us, not now.
 
EXCELLENT post Mustard!! Words to live by right now! Words of wisdom indeed!

Let's get beehind our players and coaches and give them our FULL support until the season is over!

 
Beebad, I don't claim to know but here's my theory. 1) Chan has been told to leave it up to the AA - to me they've gotten him on 3 things, academics, BOB and PR. If they had done what they said they would (or if the BOB thing had worked) he would be okay. 2) After the way he was treated in Dallas he's understandably gun shy about the media.

Hopefully the entire AA is getting the message. It was posted elsewhere (can't remember now under what thread, maybe on the Hive) that they know it's been a big mistake not to communicate more with Tech fans and are pledging to improve. We'll see I guess.
 
Originally posted by ahsoisee:
You just don't get it Jerry. The real reason these Gailey haters keep bashing him is because of O'Leary. I have been and will continue to bring the same old crap back to them as long as they continue to bash Gailey.

It is called Tit for Tat. You are assuming way too much. I have no personal dislike for O'Leary. It is true, I think his only success hinged on Friegden, but that is a small issue.

As I have stated several times, when the lynch mob gives up bashing Gailey, I will quit bringing up O'Leary's record to them.

Until then, get used to it.

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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">You need to speak for supporters you know 'personally'. We only know each other by this board. It's an emphatic NO to bashing Chan because of O'Leary!!! Chan deserves the bashing all by himself!

Matter-of-fact, when George left I was excited about the opportunity for GT to entice someone in the profession that made a name for themselves and could do here "what I believe were good things" - MY DISAPPOINT WAS CHAN IS NOT WHO I HAD ON MY LIST - not that George left!!!

GT was in a good position after being successful the previous 6 seasons. For the SECOND TIME, we'd be hiring a coach and we didn't have a terrible past history. It was great time and I looked forward to the next person! Please no mistakes this time - not again! As much as O'Leary and Ross left - I knew when they did we were looking okay and felt there were good people on the horizon - Lewis and Chan were not MY TWO!!
 
MsTA .. Tech was in a good position when Ross was hired. his first 2 seasons, we did as horribly as any coach as ever done at Tech.

bobby ross took over a team that had gone 9-2-1 and 5-5-1. in bobby ross' first 2 years, Tech went 2-9 and 3-8.

hell, it took bobby ross more than 2 full seasons to win his first ACC game. tech did not win even one ACC game in ross' first two years.

in his first two years, we had games very similar under ross, where ross' teams looked as out of it as we did in the last 2 games.

thankfully, people like you and beebad weren't incharge. thankfully, people like you and beebad *aren't* incharge.

no coach in the history of tech football since bobby dodd has had a smooth transition taking over from his predecessor and this includes bobby dodd, name bearer of the best coach of the year award.

if we are not patient with our new hires, we will never find out whether we just hired a bobby ross or a bill lewis.

anyways .. waste of breath and waste of my time, trying to make some people here see reason. statelinejacket will dismiss it as drivel anyways while eagerly awaiting inside information from beebad .. LOL
 
ylojk8,

Don't forget how bad the ACC was back then. It's amazing we were that bad and look at the staff we had. Ross, O'Leary, Fridge, Pfeifer, Chuck Breshnahan, Danny Smith, Brian Baker, Pat Watson, Jimmy Robinson....

Look at what they've done since, 1 NFL Head Coach, 2 college head coaches, 3 NFL coordinators, 8 NFL assistants. An unbelievable staff.

That group couldn't beat anybody for 2.5 years. But I'm sure nobody on this board was calling for their heads while 1-10 UNC was whipping us in 1988.
 
Originally posted by ylojk8:
MsTA .. Tech was in a good position when Ross was hired. his first 2 seasons, we did as horribly as any coach as ever done at Tech.

bobby ross took over a team that had gone 9-2-1 and 5-5-1. in bobby ross' first 2 years, Tech went 2-9 and 3-8.

hell, it took bobby ross more than 2 full seasons to win his first ACC game. tech did not win even one ACC game in ross' first two years.

in his first two years, we had games very similar under ross, where ross' teams looked as out of it as we did in the last 2 games.

thankfully, people like you and beebad weren't incharge. thankfully, people like you and beebad *aren't* incharge.

no coach in the history of tech football since bobby dodd has had a smooth transition taking over from his predecessor and this includes bobby dodd, name bearer of the best coach of the year award.

if we are not patient with our new hires, we will never find out whether we just hired a bobby ross or a bill lewis.

anyways .. waste of breath and waste of my time, trying to make some people here see reason. statelinejacket will dismiss it as drivel anyways while eagerly awaiting inside information from beebad .. LOL
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">You can call us what you may, it's one thing to be patient when you've got something good going - I saw no good last season - patient is when you know we're on a better course - we on a course of NO RETURN. We're now in "damage control".

Bobby Ross was NOT in a good position when he was hired - we stunk when he came in. Mediocrity is the word and it showed! We were in a GOOD POSITION when he left, voila Lewis!

George O'Leary was not in a good position after taking over from Lewis, we were in a good position after he left, VOILA Chan!

Both situations should have hastened better hires - they didn't!
 
Originally posted by ylojk8:
MsTA .. Tech was in a good position when Ross was hired. his first 2 seasons, we did as horribly as any coach as ever done at Tech.

bobby ross took over a team that had gone 9-2-1 and 5-5-1. in bobby ross' first 2 years, Tech went 2-9 and 3-8.

hell, it took bobby ross more than 2 full seasons to win his first ACC game. tech did not win even one ACC game in ross' first two years.

in his first two years, we had games very similar under ross, where ross' teams looked as out of it as we did in the last 2 games.

thankfully, people like you and beebad weren't incharge. thankfully, people like you and beebad *aren't* incharge.

no coach in the history of tech football since bobby dodd has had a smooth transition taking over from his predecessor and this includes bobby dodd, name bearer of the best coach of the year award.

if we are not patient with our new hires, we will never find out whether we just hired a bobby ross or a bill lewis.

anyways .. waste of breath and waste of my time, trying to make some people here see reason. statelinejacket will dismiss it as drivel anyways while eagerly awaiting inside information from beebad .. LOL
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Thank God people like you aren't in charge - we'd always have CHANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
MsTech,

ylojk8 makes a good point about Ross. We were a pretty hard nosed team in '85 and '86. When Ross took over he lost the team for a long time and our guys mailed it in most Saturdays. There wasn't much to be proud of back then. Ross said himself that he felt he was in over his head and almost quit a few times. It took him over 2 years to figure out how to win at GT. He was a good football coach but he had to figure out what GT was all about.

O'Leary and Fridge went through the pain with him. They knew what Georgia Tech was about and understood the political and academic battles they would have to fight. They were successful because of this.

I'm not saying CG will be successful at GT. But like Ross, he clearly had no idea what he was getting himself into last year. He's been here a year. He will be a big underdog this year, let's see what he can do.
 
MsTA .. bobby ross and chan gailey came in in similar situations.

bobby ross took over a team that had gone 9-2-1 (2nd in the ACC) and 5-5-1 (4th in the ACC) under a popular bill curry who quit for greener pastures.

chan gailey took over a team that had gone what? 9-3 (2nd in the ACC) and 8-5 (4th in the ACC) under a popular george o'leary who quit for greener pastures.

bobby ross' 1st two teams went 2-9 and 3-8 and didn't win one ACC game

chan gailey's 1st team replicated the regular season record of o'leary's last team and won as many ACC games as well.

how will his 2nd team do? we'll find out!
 
thank god i'm not incharge either. i don't know jack about football.

i don't feign that either unlike some people who try to potray their work experience in HR as justification and validation regarding gut instincts about coaching hires at tech.

what a joke!
 
Originally posted by ylojk8:
MsTA .. Tech was in a good position when Ross was hired. his first 2 seasons, we did as horribly as any coach as ever done at Tech.

bobby ross took over a team that had gone 9-2-1 and 5-5-1. in bobby ross' first 2 years, Tech went 2-9 and 3-8.

hell, it took bobby ross more than 2 full seasons to win his first ACC game. tech did not win even one ACC game in ross' first two years.

in his first two years, we had games very similar under ross, where ross' teams looked as out of it as we did in the last 2 games.

thankfully, people like you and beebad weren't incharge. thankfully, people like you and beebad *aren't* incharge.

no coach in the history of tech football since bobby dodd has had a smooth transition taking over from his predecessor and this includes bobby dodd, name bearer of the best coach of the year award.

if we are not patient with our new hires, we will never find out whether we just hired a bobby ross or a bill lewis.

anyways .. waste of breath and waste of my time, trying to make some people here see reason. statelinejacket will dismiss it as drivel anyways while eagerly awaiting inside information from beebad .. LOL
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">It's also a waste of time for those of you who think he's the savior. There's nothing different here except that you see (or hope for good things), we do not see (and don't believe they'll be any)!
 
Originally posted by ylojk8:
thank god i'm not incharge either. i don't know jack about football.

i don't feign that either unlike some people who try to potray their work experience in HR as justification and validation regarding gut instincts about coaching hires at tech.

what a joke!
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">HR did not make be decide Chan was not who I wanted! What it does do is tell me there was more to the ones I'd loook at - the kind of coach I wanted!

I really don't care what you or anyone else feels about the need to feel about my decisions on this coach - it makes no difference to me if you like him; it makes more of a difference to me that I DON'T!

After all these years - I consider that position a job - not a God!
 
YLO, thats a pretty good seies of points. I am one of those that knows we can't and should not run Chan off yet, but I want to see remarkable improvement over last year.

I am convinced I will not see material improvements in the win column. The remarkable improvement I expect is with the infrastructure of CG's organization. What this means to me is seeing and moreso sensing that we are on the proper path with regard to discipline, effort, and organization. I will be looking for these elements from both the players and coaches. Up till now, its been nothing more than a complete fiasco in this regime.

Forget about last years 7 wins. That was done by a nucleus of players that expected to win, and knew how to win. Unfortunately, that same group experienced what its like to be BLOWN OUT. If anyone thinks that sensation doesn't linger, they have never participated in sport. The opposite condition of expecting to and knowing how to win is a scary probability (my opinion) if the guy we have in charge lets it happen.

To paraphrase, Chan did not want to go somewhere and rebuild a program. He wanted to get a top 25 team to the next level. Too late for that now. He will have to work as he has never worked before. He will have to do things like build character, inspire an attitude, get both players and coaches back to having a swagger like we had briefly when Ralph was here.

If he is not willing or capable of doing this, you can throw all the comparative stats between coaching transitions at Tech out the window. What we will have is Bill Lewser part 2.

"The opinions expressed here do not represent in any way those of FOCers" Thank You.
 
Originally posted by Axe:
ylojk8,

Don't forget how bad the ACC was back then. It's amazing we were that bad and look at the staff we had. Ross, O'Leary, Fridge, Pfeifer, Chuck Breshnahan, Danny Smith, Brian Baker, Pat Watson, Jimmy Robinson....

Look at what they've done since, 1 NFL Head Coach, 2 college head coaches, 3 NFL coordinators, 8 NFL assistants. An unbelievable staff.

That group couldn't beat anybody for 2.5 years. But I'm sure nobody on this board was calling for their heads while 1-10 UNC was whipping us in 1988.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">nobody on this board was calling for their head cause this board didn't exist. had it existed, we'd have plenty of beebads and MsTAs calling for heads to roll.

thankfully ross wasn't canned after those 2 horrible seasons and we went on to win the MNC in 1990.

hopefully gailey will follow suit. if he doesn't he will be canned just like bill lewis was. we need to be patient with new hires.
 
if we are not patient with our new hires, we will never find out whether we just hired a bobby ross or a bill lewis.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Correct me if I am wrong but would you say that CG makes as much as Bobby Ross, Bill Lewis, George O'Leary, and Ralph Friegen put together. We are not getting our million dollars worth. If he was getting 400K or whatever Richt started at that would be one thing but a million is a lot of money for big results not big excuses.
 
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