Deja Vu All Over Again....

ylojk8 · Jul 7, 2003

Originally posted by DaveTech:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> if we are not patient with our new hires, we will never find out whether we just hired a bobby ross or a bill lewis.

Correct me if I am wrong but would you say that CG makes as much as Bobby Ross, Bill Lewis, George O'Leary, and Ralph Friegen put together. We are not getting our million dollars worth. If he was getting 400K or whatever Richt started at that would be one thing but a million is a lot of money for big results not big excuses.<hr /></blockquote>so you mean to say it would be ok if gailey made 600k for what's going on at Tech? you and your likes wouldn't be calling for his head then? LOL

what is your point here?

the point i'm trying to make is that new hires need to be dealt with patiently.

the point you're trying to interject is that the new hire is making so much money therefore we can't deal patiently with him.

if we want to hire a good coach .. we'll have to show to all the potential coaches out there that we deal fairly with our hires.

dealing fairly with our hires includes
a) paying good $$
b) dealing patiently with new hires

i think i'm making too much sense for this board. this board is more suited to feelings and instincts than fact and reason.

i think i'll revert to name calling because that involves my feelings and instincts rather than reason

BarrelORum · Jul 7, 2003

Originally posted by BeeBad:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mustard:
You can add me to that list krgotech. It is time to quit the criticizing and the negativity and get behind our team AND COACHES and play this season. Lets gooooo TECH!!!!!!

Many fans are still waiting for an apology from gailey for last season, particularly the last 2 games before they can look forward to the new season...<hr /></blockquote>Beebad, Gailey doesn't owe you anything, and when you finally come to understand that, then maybe you might find time to show support for the coaching staff. We know how you feel already, you don't like the coach. So does that mean you will not support them this upcoming season? Just curious...

BarrelORum · Jul 7, 2003

Originally posted by ncjacket:
BeeBad, many will also tell you that the worst thing any coach can do is apologize for anything. So Gailey can appease some by an apology and piss others off. He's probably better off ignoring the whole thing and focusing on this year, it's something he can't win.

Bingo!!! Obviously Beebad cannot comprehend that. He just wants to have something to bitch about.

Jerry the Jacket · Jul 7, 2003

I'm afraid Ms. TA is right. Duke, Georgia, Fresno State flunkout gate. I have seen enough to form my opinion. Chan is not the man for Georgia Tech. You can believe what you want and those of us who believe otherwise will believe what we want.

No use calling anybody names. We are all Tech fans and and pull for Tech. We all have a right to form our own opinions and express them as we see fit.

Someone earlier said we are where we are and let's try to make the best of it. Chan is a reality for now so I hope I am proven wrong and things get better in 2003. I hope they do but I don't think they will.

Go Jackets!

BarrelORum · Jul 7, 2003

Originally posted by BeeBad:
NC.. at any rate, gailey & his minions need to cop a new attitude... the gameplan isn't working... Do you think gailey honestly doesn't care about PR, does he not have the mental capacity to understand how a good image would work for him... or do you think he's just flat out ignorant??

What gameplan is that exactly??? You act as if Gailey's intentions all along were to get our asses kicked by UGA and commit 7 turnovers against Fresno. I have my concerns to BEEbad but I think the coach will get things straight. Like any job, there will be things you learn along the way. Coaching at GT is NOT LIKE coaching ANYwhere else.

I think Gailey's PR plan right now is based on the personal level. He's getting out and meeting the fans and those fans seem to like him a lot. He had a rocky first season, I dont doubt that, and I think his PR plan is to make changes, fly under the radar and hopefully turn things around with RESULTS instead if a lot of chit chat in the media. Given the fact that people like you are not satisfied with ANY move he makes, can you blame him?

BarrelORum · Jul 7, 2003

Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
- MY DISAPPOINT WAS CHAN IS NOT WHO I HAD ON MY LIST - not that George left!!![QB]

MsTechAnalysis, who exactly was on your list. I am very curious who you wanted for our Head Coach.

BarrelORum · Jul 7, 2003

Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
You can call us what you may, it's one thing to be patient when you've got something good going - I saw no good last season - patient is when you know we're on a better course - we on a course of NO RETURN. We're now in "damage control".

Bobby Ross was NOT in a good position when he was hired - we stunk when he came in. Mediocrity is the word and it showed! We were in a GOOD POSITION when he left, voila Lewis!

George O'Leary was not in a good position after taking over from Lewis, we were in a good position after he left, VOILA Chan!

Both situations should have hastened better hires - they didn't![/QB]

Alright Ms. Tech, stop with the selective memory. Let's look at the facts. You're argument on this one is ridiculous. When Ross came to Tech he took over a team that went 5-5-1 in 1986, and 9-2-1 in 1985. The 86 team beat the likes of Tennessee and the year before beat UGA and Mich. St. in the All American Bowl. This was not a bad team Curry had built, especially for Tech standards over the previous 15 year history.
VIOLA!!! Ross goes 2-9(0-6 in ACC) in 1987 with wins over WATCH OUT, Indiana State and The Citadel!!! Woooo hooo!!!
The next season... he gets medieval on the rest of the league and goes 3-8... (0-7 in ACC) He had one win over a division 1 school. It was the lowly gamecocks.

Now O'Leary goes 7-5 in the regular season his final year. He had OOC wins over the Citadel and NAVY to pad his 7-5 record. Gailey on the other hand posts THE EXACT SAME RECORD the Very next season with OOC wins over Vandy, BYU, and UCOnn.

This evidence doesn't support your arguments. Probably because you choose to ignore the facts.

You would rather sum up Gailey by his last two games of the season. I'm not saying that is unfair, but if you are going to judge a man by his last two games, then ahso's arguement about Fridge carrying O'Leary is perfectly valid too. At least the EVIDENCE (remember that thing we use to support our arguement) supports his arguement that Fridge did indeed do just that. OLeary's record with Fridge 34-14. Without, it is a mere 18-16. If you include the 3 loses he had finishing up for Lewis, it was 18-19.

I'm sorry, but the FACTS (those pesky things!!) just don't in the SLIGHTEST support your arguement. If anything, they say the EXACT opposite.

ahsoisee · Jul 7, 2003

MsTA, you speak with a forked tongue. It is a good thing you did not have to be patient with O'Leary after his last year. No wonder he wanted out. He took a national top ten team and the wheels came off.

He was 7-6 in his last 13 games without Friegden. He lost three out of his last four games. So, Gailey's 7-6 in his first 13 games was not a let down from the previous year. The train had already crashed in the previous year.

Someone else has already proven your second statement wrong about Ross not being in a good position when he came in. So far, that makes you 0-2 in your statistics department.

Your third statement about O'Leary leaving us in a good position has been proven false in my first paragraph. It appears the damagae control was handled by Gailey, keeping the ship on an even keel while he can rebuild from the disastrous 2001 year.

Now as far as better hires, Tech definitely made the better hire from statistics. It is fact O'Leary had no head coaching experience. It is fact he never played college football. It was on his record, but proven he did not actually play.

It is a fact Gailey had Division II head coaching experience where he won the national championship. It is also a fact he was the head coach with the Dallas Cowboys where he took them to divisional playoffs both years. So, the hire was, factually, a step up rather than down.

It is obvious you do not post factual statements. They are so easily shown to be untrue.

The one true point you have made is the fact you do not like him and did not like him before he ever coached a down at Tech.

And don't give me another false statement like, "you knew he would not be a good coach". You don't have a crystal ball and can't see into the future. He has already exceeded the record of O'Leary's first few years.

Please state something that is factual other than the statements everyone proves to be untrue.

YOUR STATEMENT
"It's also a waste of time for those of you who think he's the savior".

Another one of your false posts. You make statements and attribute them to posters on the board, when they have never said these things.

Find me one poster stating Gailey is the Savior of GT football. You will find many stating he needs this year with new staff members to correct some of the problems.

You stated he was not the kind of coach you wanted

Just what kind of coach did you want? Would you prefer a Catholic, or atheist over a Baptist? It could not be his background, it is better than any coach ever to come to Tech.

Your statement, "I consider the position a job-not a God", has no merit. It is a completely idiotic statement! Find a post where any poster has imputed the status of Godly authority to Chan.

Your statements are either completely false or irrational.

LLCoolJacket

I find some fault with part of your reasoning. You say last years seven wins was totally decided by a nucleus of players.

Well what happened in 2001 when the wheels came off on O'Leary? The nucleus of players from the previous team had a record of 9-3. Then O'Leary must have been the problem, because the top ten national team bombed in 2001.

I can give you a better reason than the one you gave. Last year's offense could not get it done because Godsey was gone, and BOB did know how to train quarterbacks. I will add to that divided loyalty of the players between BOB and Gailey.

I think my hypothesis has more merit.

By the way, participation in sports is not required to see the obvious.

As far as the swagger thingy goes, it was lost after the 2000 season and the final game in the Peach Bowl.

By the way, the term FOCer is a term used by the Chan Bashers. It has nothing to do with the remainder of the posters on the board. It means Fans of Chan.

I think if you read closely, you will find most fans are willing to be fair and give Chan the opportunity to coach this year. Most all of these fans have stated they will make their decision later.

These are fans of GT and have not given their loyalty to any particular person other than they are pulling for Tech to win.

In essence there is really not a FOCer group, only the term used by the bashers. So, don't feel intimidated and think you have to stay away from a non-existent group.

Father Time

BarrelORum · Jul 7, 2003

Originally posted by DaveTech:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> if we are not patient with our new hires, we will never find out whether we just hired a bobby ross or a bill lewis.

Correct me if I am wrong but would you say that CG makes as much as Bobby Ross, Bill Lewis, George O'Leary, and Ralph Friegen put together. We are not getting our million dollars worth. If he was getting 400K or whatever Richt started at that would be one thing but a million is a lot of money for big results not big excuses.<hr /></blockquote>Not trying to pry here, but exactly how much do you make Dave? I'd like to know if I'm getting my money's worth.

Regardless of what you'd LIKE to believe. No one is going to come into GT and figure our system out on the first go round. This school is unlike ANY coaching job in the country. The faster you figure that one out, the better you will sleep at night. I don't care if we pay a $10.00 coach $10.00 or a million dollar coach a million.. he's going to experience the EXACT same growing pains. History speaks for itself. some of y'all just conveniently ignore it.

And for what it's worth, Gailey makes relatively the same thing as OLeary. And LESS than Fridge.

Jerry the Jacket · Jul 7, 2003

Ahso, BORING!!!!

Please spin some new yarns for our entertainment. The O'Leary vs. Gailey yarn has run out of gas!

Go Jackets!

BarrelORum · Jul 7, 2003

Originally posted by Jerry the Jacket:
I'm afraid Ms. TA is right. Duke, Georgia, Fresno State flunkout gate. I have seen enough to form my opinion. Chan is not the man for Georgia Tech. You can believe what you want and those of us who believe otherwise will believe what we want.

No use calling anybody names. We are all Tech fans and and pull for Tech. We all have a right to form our own opinions and express them as we see fit.

Someone earlier said we are where we are and let's try to make the best of it. Chan is a reality for now so I hope I am proven wrong and things get better in 2003. I hope they do but I don't think they will.

Go Jackets!

This coming from the same guy who 1 1/2 years ago was obsessive about hiring Ted Roof as the head coach.

ylojk8 · Jul 7, 2003

Originally posted by Jerry the Jacket:
Ahso, BORING!!!!

Please spin some new yarns for our entertainment. The O'Leary vs. Gailey yarn has run out of gas!

Go Jackets!

Jerry the Jacket, nobody here is looking to entertain you.

BarrelORum · Jul 7, 2003

Originally posted by ahsoisee:

I think if you read closely, you will find most fans are willing to be fair and give Chan the opportunity to coach this year. Most all of these fans have stated they will make their decision later.

These are fans of GT and have not given their loyalty to any particular person other than they are pulling for Tech to win.

Couldn't have said it any better.

ahsoisee · Jul 7, 2003

Jerry the Jacket, don't read it. It is intended for the person I am answering, so if it is boring to you, maybe it will soon get boring to them.

It is up to the bashers and lynchers when it stops. I will allow you the privilege of ignoring my posts.

Father Time

DaveTech · Jul 7, 2003

YLOJK8 said

what is your point here?

The point is you better belive Steve Spurrier better win before Tice. MOney is paid for results. the more money the better expected results.

the point you're trying to interject is that the new hire is making so much money therefore we can't deal patiently with him.

You better believe it buddy. When he was one of the top twenty paid coaches he better be in the top 20 and not .500 losing two of the worst losses ever. And at the end the season that is not showing improvement.

think i'm making too much sense for this board

You wish. The more you make the more you produce. True in everything else, applies to coaching as well. This is not a training position and it doesn't pay training pay. All I am saying is Jim Tressel started at 700K and produced - we are not getting our monies worth and a million a year does not buy "patience".

ylojk8 · Jul 7, 2003

alright DaveTech .. point conceded.

now tell me this, would you be howling for gailey's head if we paid him 600k a year?

techsamillion · Jul 7, 2003

YloJk8 (or whatever the correct handle....you make it hard for us liberal arts guys)
Someone wrote recently that no one came to your aide/side/defense/agreement.......let it me known that I do and many times have. Thank you good, loyal Tech fan/buddy for all you have posted. You have brought me much joy!!!!
Besides, my post is multiplied by many as consideration is given to those who read but do not post.
Keep up the good work my friend!

"Truth shall prevail; and should I discover that I am not on the side of truth, I shall be most repentant. But should I prove to be on that faithful and truthful side, I would but hope that all detractors (and "sour bellies") would humble themselves in rightful contritions and call down flames of fire upon thier heads".
jbg 2003

Jerry the Jacket · Jul 8, 2003

Hey BOR if we had hired Roof he would not have wasted a year trying to learn about the ins and outs of college football and the Georgia Tech culture and football tradition. I figured Gailey would struggle with identifying with Tech and how it works, I did not count him struggling to adapt to the college game.

We will probably hire Roof at the end of this season. That's my prediction. Now rail on about how Roof is not qualified and brings nothing to the dance. I too have heard you're rant on that, but I'm sure you would delight in telling everyone what an idiot I am for supporting Roof as a coaching candidate. But you know opinions are like buttholes we all have one.

As for entertaining me Ahso and ylo, you don't need to be concerned about that. I was just offering some constructive criticism to encourage you to explore some other areas since you have exhausted your material on O'Leary.

By the way Ahso your post from Dodd's Luck were very enlightening and entertaining. Keep up the good work in that direction. BOR and Ylo thank you for your passion for Tech football, I hope we can see some fire from our team this year like I see from you two guys. You might want to suit up if things go south!

Go Jackets!

DaveTech · Jul 8, 2003

would you be howling for gailey's head if we paid him 600k a year?

For the results he turned in so far - absolutely. Look Ralph was signed for 175K. Do you see a disparity here?

ylojk8 · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by DaveTech:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> would you be howling for gailey's head if we paid him 600k a year?

For the results he turned in so far - absolutely. Look Ralph was signed for 175K. Do you see a disparity here?<hr /></blockquote>would you be howling if we paid gailey 175k a year? you're not getting the point. we have to pay money to attract coaches .. exactly how much is debatable.

we also have to be patient with new hires .. exactly how much is debatable. but if we fire coaches after a winning season in their first year, we'll never ever get a competent coach to coach at Tech.

who cares how much we paid the fridge .. he was not the head coach. how much did we pay who the head coach was? how much money does he owe us?

and coming back to the point .. you would be howling for gailey's head even if we didn't pay him a cent last year. so your howling for his head has nothing to do with how much money was paid to him. get it?

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