Deja Vu All Over Again....

DaveTech · Jul 8, 2003

you will be told by the manufacturer not to speed till you reach a certain level of age with a new car. get it? it's a stupid anology but that's all i had to work with.

So do you think a 10 year plan might be patient enough? Look, the Falcons sold out the dome except for 1000 seats left per game. Our new stadium is 2/3 empty and will be filled with Tigers and Dawgs and Seminoles - do you get it now?

bellyseries · Jul 8, 2003

I get it DaveTech, you're all about money and impatience.

PCBee · Jul 8, 2003

I have never seen so much p--ssing and growning coming from supposedly grown men and women. A lot of you should be ashamed of your child-like attitudes.

The Tech football coach is the Tech football coach, regardless of who he is at the time. I have followed the Tech game since the early 50s. I have seen good and I have bad in those years. This includes the Dodd years, some which were not all that good either.

If you are a Tech fan, you support the team and the school, regardless of who the coach is at the time. We will win some and we will lose some, but you support the TEAM anyway. That is not to say to do it blind, but to do it at the right time. Nothing you write or do at this time will change anything until the end of the season. Everything else is counter-productive to the TEAM. Did any of you wonder if your posting had anything to do with some players' attitudes in the last two games?

On reading some postings, I get the impression that the poster is pulling for Tech to lose so that his/her point is proven, whether right or wrong.

Come on gang, pull for TECH, your point will be proven to be good or bad soon enough. In the meantime its TECH NOW AND ALWAYS. To do otherwise is pulling for Tech to lose.
BTW, some of you write comments like you are from UGA.

mustard · Jul 8, 2003

Absolutely right, Ring!!!

All negativity now will accrue to the hurt of GT because CG is taking us into this season. Lets get behind him and the team. The time for evaluation is in the future.

**DONOTDELETE** · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by Ring:

I have never seen so much p--ssing and growning coming from supposedly grown men and women. A lot of you should be ashamed of your child-like attitudes.

The Tech football coach is the Tech football coach, regardless of who he is at the time. I have followed the Tech game since the early 50s. I have seen good and I have bad in those years. This includes the Dodd years, some which were not all that good either.

If you are a Tech fan, you support the team and the school, regardless of who the coach is at the time. We will win some and we will lose some, but you support the TEAM anyway. That is not to say to do it blind, but to do it at the right time. Nothing you write or do at this time will change anything until the end of the season. Everything else is counter-productive to the TEAM. Did any of you wonder if your posting had anything to do with some players' attitudes in the last two games?

On reading some postings, I get the impression that the poster is pulling for Tech to lose so that his/her point is proven, whether right or wrong.

Come on gang, pull for TECH, your point will be proven to be good or bad soon enough. In the meantime its TECH NOW AND ALWAYS. To do otherwise is pulling for Tech to lose.
BTW, some of you write comments like you are from UGA.

You are playing ring around the rosie with us.... If you truly wanted those who are critics of chan to cease... your post would've been upbeat, positive, engaging... instead your post was challenging, dismissive, demeaning, negative... You are old enough to know that you get bees with honey, not vinegar... The "he's our coach, if you support Tech you would stop criticizing our coach" angle has been attempted before to silence gailey's critics... Nice Try, C+ for effort, C- for style poinits, D+ for originality...

MsTechAnalysis · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by BarrelORum:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
You can call us what you may, it's one thing to be patient when you've got something good going - I saw no good last season - patient is when you know we're on a better course - we on a course of NO RETURN. We're now in "damage control".

Bobby Ross was NOT in a good position when he was hired - we stunk when he came in. Mediocrity is the word and it showed! We were in a GOOD POSITION when he left, voila Lewis!

George O'Leary was not in a good position after taking over from Lewis, we were in a good position after he left, VOILA Chan!

Both situations should have hastened better hires - they didn't!

Alright Ms. Tech, stop with the selective memory. Let's look at the facts. You're argument on this one is ridiculous. When Ross came to Tech he took over a team that went 5-5-1 in 1986, and 9-2-1 in 1985. The 86 team beat the likes of Tennessee and the year before beat UGA and Mich. St. in the All American Bowl. This was not a bad team Curry had built, especially for Tech standards over the previous 15 year history.
VIOLA!!! Ross goes 2-9(0-6 in ACC) in 1987 with wins over WATCH OUT, Indiana State and The Citadel!!! Woooo hooo!!!
The next season... he gets medieval on the rest of the league and goes 3-8... (0-7 in ACC) He had one win over a division 1 school. It was the lowly gamecocks.

Now O'Leary goes 7-5 in the regular season his final year. He had OOC wins over the Citadel and NAVY to pad his 7-5 record. Gailey on the other hand posts THE EXACT SAME RECORD the Very next season with OOC wins over Vandy, BYU, and UCOnn.

This evidence doesn't support your arguments. Probably because you choose to ignore the facts.

You would rather sum up Gailey by his last two games of the season. I'm not saying that is unfair, but if you are going to judge a man by his last two games, then ahso's arguement about Fridge carrying O'Leary is perfectly valid too. At least the EVIDENCE (remember that thing we use to support our arguement) supports his arguement that Fridge did indeed do just that. OLeary's record with Fridge 34-14. Without, it is a mere 18-16. If you include the 3 loses he had finishing up for Lewis, it was 18-19.

I'm sorry, but the FACTS (those pesky things!!) just don't in the SLIGHTEST support your arguement. If anything, they say the EXACT opposite.[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>I did not sum up Chan's season by the last 3 games - I had many reservations about him before he coached and then the season started. From Clemson, to Maryland, to the Wake game AND THEN THE LAST 3 GAMES!! Who are you trying to kid, there were many games during the season. The last 3 only defined what I ALREADY BELIEVED - his non-capacity for running and coaching this program.

INSTEAD OF GETTING BETTER IN THE END - WE WERE WORSE THEN IN THE BEGINNING! And it wasn't worse like we busted out tail, it was worse like we never got started, we were never a program! There's a difference in losing with dignity and busting tail.

We lost with NO DIGNITY AND BUSTED NO TAIL! If you all want to defend Chan under that guise - how worried are all of you for the future of this program? Instead of having concern, the defense of those games as they were played and to look to those games for a positive future is a fantasy.

What's that saying, 'you're only as good as your last'! 51-7 puts that saying over the TOP AND FRESNO ST. TAKES IT TO NO MAN'S LAND!

bellyseries · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
I did not sum up Chan's season by the last 3 games -

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What's that saying, 'you're only as good as your last'! 51-7 puts that saying over the TOP AND FRESNO ST. TAKES IT TO NO MAN'S LAND!

Hmmm.

ahsoisee · Jul 8, 2003

MsTA, you still continue to state false information.

Tech did not lose the last three games of last year. They lost only the last two games of the year. So, why try to skew the data?

Now, O'Leary lost to LSU in his last bowl game of his career to a team it was predicted to beat. Tech had a 9-2 record going into the Peach Bowl and bombed against a weaker LSU.

So, Tech bombed against a weaker Fresno State. If Gailey was at fault against Fresno State, so was O'Leary against LSU.

In stead of O'Leary getting better in the end in his last year with a top ten rated team, he got worse and lost the last three out of four games in 2001. Gailey also lost the last three out of four in his last three games of the year.

Gailey had less material than O'Leary and a new staff. So, smart people would say Gailey did better in his last four games than O'Leary, becasue Tech was rated as the fifth best preseason team in the ACC for 2002.

So, if Gailey was at fault, so was O'Leary.

If you are talking about dignity, I beleive O'Leary finished at Tech with less dignity than Gailey did at the finish of his first year.

If you are only as good as your last games, then O'Leary's last four games put him in "No man's land".

Your statements continue to be based on your opinions only with no facts behind them.

Father Time

BarrelORum · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by BeeBad:
BOR... go back to the other place... Talk about your meeting with Jack some more, how many chilidogs you ate at the Varsity, what the stadium expansion looks like, etc... Leave the pertinent topics to us hardcore fans over here...

I sense the FOCers are running out of gas... a few weeks ago ahso had some nice action going, now he's become a 1 trick pony... beating this O'Leary angle into a horse that is beyond recognition...

Good to see Jerry back in the fray... Dave & LL are obviously 2 gentleman who know their football... NC the voice of reason...

Beebad, that was freaking sad!!

Tell you what beebad, I'l go back to the Hive when you go back to the Dawgvent. If you had your way, whether you like it or not, we'd be coming off of our 10th losing season in a row, you would have given up 8 years ago on GT sports, and the rest of us would be sitting here pulling for the program to make a turnaround. You'd wait and wait and wait, the when Tech got good again, jump out of the closet, claim your the #1 fan of Tech, slam everything that is wrong with Tech, and act like you know everything about Tech.

You are nothing more than a Bandwagoneer. You know nothing, and it's apparently obvious.

You refuse to respond to peoples debate of your points. You hide from factual evidence contrary to your point of view and refuse to respond to it. Yet the whole time you hold onto your argument like a baby crying over a pacifier.

You're pathetic.

DaveTech · Jul 8, 2003

Barrell said

Not trying to pry here, but exactly how much do you make Dave? I'd like to know if I'm getting my money's worth.

When you pay me you will know what I make.

Regardless of what you'd LIKE to believe. No one is going to come into GT and figure our system out on the first go round. This school is unlike ANY coaching job in the country.

That is a tired, worn out EXCUSE. These players put on their pants one leg a time just like players everywhere else.

he's going to experience the EXACT same growing pains. History speaks for itself. some of y'all just conveniently ignore it.

Like who?? Stoops, Richt, Ralph?

BarrelORum · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by BarrelORum:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:
You can call us what you may, it's one thing to be patient when you've got something good going - I saw no good last season - patient is when you know we're on a better course - we on a course of NO RETURN. We're now in "damage control".

Bobby Ross was NOT in a good position when he was hired - we stunk when he came in. Mediocrity is the word and it showed! We were in a GOOD POSITION when he left, voila Lewis!

George O'Leary was not in a good position after taking over from Lewis, we were in a good position after he left, VOILA Chan!

Both situations should have hastened better hires - they didn't!

<hr /></blockquote>I did not sum up Chan's season by the last 3 games - I had many reservations about him before he coached and then the season started. From Clemson, to Maryland, to the Wake game AND THEN THE LAST 3 GAMES!! Who are you trying to kid, there were many games during the season. The last 3 only defined what I ALREADY BELIEVED - his non-capacity for running and coaching this program.

INSTEAD OF GETTING BETTER IN THE END - WE WERE WORSE THEN IN THE BEGINNING! And it wasn't worse like we busted out tail, it was worse like we never got started, we were never a program! There's a difference in losing with dignity and busting tail.

We lost with NO DIGNITY AND BUSTED NO TAIL! If you all want to defend Chan under that guise - how worried are all of you for the future of this program? Instead of having concern, the defense of those games as they were played and to look to those games for a positive future is a fantasy.

What's that saying, 'you're only as good as your last'! 51-7 puts that saying over the TOP AND FRESNO ST. TAKES IT TO NO MAN'S LAND![/QB]<hr /></blockquote>Geeze, is this really THAT hard? I feel like I'm arguing with a five year old. Why are you getting away from the argument Ms. Tech? I'm not defending Gailey's season... I will defend his right to improve upon that season.

But, Let's take it a step at a time so you can comprehend WHAT is actually being said here.

1.)You made comparisons between Gailey AND Ross. You basically said Ross didn't have the players and had nothing to build on. and Chan did have players, a full cupboard if you will. You said Ross was NOT in a good position. You said Gailey took over for someone that had us in a good position and he ruined it. at least you made the Voila Lewis, Voila Chan comments, which I assume tomean that he's ruined the program and will not right the ship.

(Do we agree that much??)

2.) you also disagree with Ahso when he said O'Leary didn't leave us in such good shape. That he relied on Fridge too much.

So what you are saying is Chan took something good and turned it into bad, and the comparisons to Chan and Ross are unfair because Ross inherited a really bad team. Am I right here so far????

3.) Then we conveniently remind you of the Facts that Ross inherited a pretty darn good team that went 9-2-1 and 5-5-1 respectfully and proceeded to turn in a 2-9 and 3-8 season with this team.

4.) Then we remind you that Chan turned in the exact same record as O'Leary did the year before with a new QB in the system and less talent overall than the year before.

5.) Now you are back to Gailey didn't motivate his players, our team lacked heart, blah blah blah blah...

I'm not saying that your opinion of Gailey is wrong. I disagree with it, but i don't know yet if it is wrong. What I am pointing out is that you got your argument blown right out of the water, and instead of admitting you were wrong to make those comparisons you cling on to the only thing you DO know.

Chan bashers refuse to understand that the apparent Pro-Chaners or FOCers as Beebad would have are actually pro-Tech or FOTers if you will. We won't say Chan is indeed the answer. What I won't do is say he is NOT the answer.

After having Chan inherit a team that was in disarray to begin with after Fridge left and then O'Leary bolted, I am not arrogant enough to say I know for sure whether or not he is THE coach for this team. what I will say is that I have not seen enough evidence to support that he is NOT the coach for this team.

Furthermore even if I HAD seen enough evidence that he was not the coach, I would not support getting rid of him until he had his 3 years (YES 3 Years NOT 2)because the ramifications of firing him prematurely are far worse than keeping him for at least 3 years.

Can you understand that?? THAT is the argument. THAT is why Ross had a chance to turn what he did around. He also needed time to adjust. So does Gailey. Let's see what he does with it and SUPPORT him. It's absolutely pointless and flat out stupid to say you've seen enough, that Chan aint the man. Because if he turns out to be the man, you look stupid. If he isn't the man, firing him now is infinitely more damaging to Tech.

So be a FOTer (Fans of Tech) instead of a BITCHer (Because I Think Chan is Horrible).

MsTechAnalysis · Jul 8, 2003

Unfortunately, we ran out of gas with Chan's hire - the auto never moved forward. It rumbled, bumbled but never moved!

Seems to me you as a coach makes your mark with the fans when you get better during the season, especailly being the new coach on the block. You'll never endear yourself to the faithful when in the end your team is worse then in the beginning!

As much as the faithful look to the end - the writing was on the wall for me from beginning to end. The end was sooooo bad, it's hard to put it aside and say move on. It's an long lasting stain in the history of GT football.

BarrelORum · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by DaveTech:
That is a tired, worn out EXCUSE. These players put on their pants one leg a time just like players everywhere else.

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> he's going to experience the EXACT same growing pains. History speaks for itself. some of y'all just conveniently ignore it.

Like who?? Stoops, Richt, Ralph?[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>Ok then arguing with you is moronic. You refuse to accept the obvious. And no, Stoops, Richt, and Ralph are not comparisons to be made, because they didn't take over at Tech! When I said, History speaks for itself, I meant TECH's history genius. Chan has a better first year record than anyone in that respect.

You can like ourselves to the Oklahoma's, the Georgia's and the Maryland's all you want, but that is not valid at all.

The "putting on the pants one leg at a time" argument is laughable at best. No shit Sherlock... is Tech like UGA academically, socially, culturally? Is it like Oklahoma??? Is it like Maryland??? Hell No it isn't, so stop reaching for straws and trying to compare us to those schools. We are quite obviously NOT those schools.

I wonder half the time if some of you fans even went to Tech because you certainly don't know jack shit about the school.

ahsoisee · Jul 8, 2003

MsTA, since you don't deal in facts, we have to deal with comparisons.

If O'Leary had the same record in his last 13 games as Gailey had in his first 13, then it appears O'Leary ran out of gas.

You said the coach gets better with the season, O'Leary bombed with a projected top ten team. He did not get better during the season.

You said a coach will never endear himself to the faithful if in the end it is worse than the beginning. Since O'Leary lost 3 out of the last 4 games, he did not endear himself to you, "right?".

Since O'Leary's last year with the predicted top ten team was bad from the beginning to the end (the same as Gailey's), it must be a long lasting stain in the history of Tech football, "right?".

ylojk8 · Jul 8, 2003

here you go DaveTech, since you've *tried* to argue reasonably coherently (as much as can be expected), i'll try and extend the same courtesy towards you.

read this thread if you'd like to find out about the history of coaching transitions at georgia tech.

LINK: coaching transitions at georgia tech

Wrecked · Jul 8, 2003

BOR, funny you say you are not arrogant enough to claim whether Chan is the right coach are not, but you are arrogant enough to claim that MS's arguments are fruitless and pointless. She is only expressing her opinion based on what she has seen and she feels.

I think all of our frustrations stem from the fact that we DON'T know if Chan is right for the job. As Ahso so diligently points out, Chan has as much Division 1-A head coaching experience as O'Leary (although George at least understood the Tech environment). Braine took a chance with Gailey and right now the we don't know the results although they don't look good right now. Even based on Gailey's own comments (I want to coach a Top 25 program) he has failed as a coach.

As posted earlier, I like the changes Gailey made in the off season and he deserves my support for this year. But to me, I don't see the point in so harshly criticizing other fans for their opinions no matter how poorly or strongly they are stated.

ylojk8 · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by Wrecked:
BOR, funny you say you are not arrogant enough to claim whether Chan is the right coach are not, but you are arrogant enough to claim that MS's arguments are fruitless and pointless. She is only expressing her opinion based on what she has seen and she feels.

I think all of our frustrations stem from the fact that we DON'T know if Chan is right for the job. As Ahso so diligently points out, Chan has as much Division 1-A head coaching experience as O'Leary (although George at least understood the Tech environment). Braine took a chance with Gailey and right now the we don't know the results although they don't look good right now. Even based on Gailey's own comments (I want to coach a Top 25 program) he has failed as a coach.

As posted earlier, I like the changes Gailey made in the off season and he deserves my support for this year. But to me, I don't see the point in so harshly criticizing other fans for their opinions no matter how poorly or strongly they are stated.

i'm sorry wrecked but you don't read MsTA's posts carefully. she unequivocally states that she KNOWS that gailey is going to fail. she KNEW that even before he was hired. she KNEW it after we beat NCSt, she KNEW it after we beat UVa.

if she KNEW it before all that, she DEFINITELY KNEW it after our last 2 games. well, make that 3 games because somehow even our W against Duke became a shameful exhibition in her eyes.

Axe · Jul 8, 2003

MsTech,

IMHO, we were a much better overall football team against NCSU and FSU than we were early in the season, especially when you consider the injury list. The Duke game was a weird one. We played great defense and the offense stunk. AJ was sick that day and Chan said he was playing it safe. I'm not defending Chan but he was pretty upfront about the plan that day. As far as the UGA game goes, we got drilled. We didn't play well anywhere and it was just a bad day all the way around. I can't let that one game represent the entire season if I'm trying to be objective. I put the blame for Fresno State squarely on the QB position.

The point I'm trying to make is our fortunes last season were very dependent on the QB position. When the QB played well, we did good things. When he didn't play well, we struggled and it effected other units as well. I'm willing to give CG another shot at this position. The man that coached the position last year is gone. We will now see what Chan's guy can do at the position.

The 2002 Jackets with solid QB play should have likely won 9 games even w/o Hollings.

statelinejacket · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by Wrecked:
[QB]Also, don't diminish the effect of 9/11 and the FSU cancellation. That year was a case of we will never know....How soon we forget how this tragic event effected everything American including College Football. Of course to blame 9/11 on our failures would be a cop out now just as much as would have been then. Coach O'leary just was not able to lead us through this roughest of times and resume the surge we appeared to have heading into the F$U game. Now that is in the past. To the present...we have to support our team. I too said we need a new coach after the Fresno State disaster. But I have not posted such a statement since Janurary and signing day. I only have talked about how we continue to have off field problems that are perplexing because we are suppose to have a coach who has finished his learning curve. Now the Ahsos, Barrels of Rum, and Ylojk8's (yes no Y'SASS here since you have dropped that persona for now at least) insist we give the man a chance. I too believe we have to give him another year and we have to fill our seats and cheer like hell. Win or lose I expect to see a team with strong leadership,in excellent physical shape, and most certainly, diciplined and competetive. Now is that to much to ask for?

ahsoisee · Jul 8, 2003

Wrecked, I think you will find most members of the board respect opinions. Some come on here and state their opinions as fact.

When that is done, there will be a challenge when it cannot be proven. The fact is most often, their claims are proven to be false.

Even an opinion can be rebutted with another opinion or fact.

I don't think you will find anyone arguing too much regarding opinions.

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