Deja Vu All Over Again....

ahsoisee · Jul 8, 2003

Statelinejacket, good post. No, it is not too much to ask for.

Father Time

BarrelORum · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:

As much as the faithful look to the end - the writing was on the wall for me from beginning to end. The end was sooooo bad, it's hard to put it aside and say move on. It's an long lasting stain in the history of GT football.

"The writing was on the wall for me from beginning to end"???? Ahhh.... MsTech, I have completely misjudged you. We are inherently inferior. It is apparently obvious now that you possess a Crystal Ball.

Ohhh Great Crystal Ball what do you predict for this upcoming season??? Please lay it out for me with your prophetic abilities. I'd like to know first and foremost our game by game results. At what point will this team fall apart and abandon Gailey? Could you please bless us with your knowledge, because I still have time to refund or sell my season tickets. I mean if you're so accurate, what's the point of even playing the games. I can take more vacation time now that I comfortably know you have all the answers. I mean if you knew from the very beginning about Gailey and the season we had last year, then what's stoppping you from informing the rest of us idiots what will take place this year.

So MsTech... here's the opportunity to put your money where your mouth is... go for it!!! I cannot WAIT to hear this....

MsTechAnalysis · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by ylojk8:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Wrecked:
BOR, funny you say you are not arrogant enough to claim whether Chan is the right coach are not, but you are arrogant enough to claim that MS's arguments are fruitless and pointless. She is only expressing her opinion based on what she has seen and she feels.

I think all of our frustrations stem from the fact that we DON'T know if Chan is right for the job. As Ahso so diligently points out, Chan has as much Division 1-A head coaching experience as O'Leary (although George at least understood the Tech environment). Braine took a chance with Gailey and right now the we don't know the results although they don't look good right now. Even based on Gailey's own comments (I want to coach a Top 25 program) he has failed as a coach.

As posted earlier, I like the changes Gailey made in the off season and he deserves my support for this year. But to me, I don't see the point in so harshly criticizing other fans for their opinions no matter how poorly or strongly they are stated.

i'm sorry wrecked but you don't read MsTA's posts carefully. she unequivocally states that she KNOWS that gailey is going to fail. she KNEW that even before he was hired. she KNEW it after we beat NCSt, she KNEW it after we beat UVa.

if she KNEW it before all that, she DEFINITELY KNEW it after our last 2 games. well, make that 3 games because somehow even our W against Duke became a shameful exhibition in her eyes.<hr /></blockquote>You need to read too! I base my opinions on what has happpened - emotion, feelings and attitude come in to play as well. Based on what I saw, I think he will fail! Based on what he didn't do, I think he will fail.

Now, if for some miracle reason he completely does an about face - then he may garner my support, REMEMBER YOU ASKED ME THAT QUESTION A FEW POSTS AGO! Don't spin things I didn't say. Now, do I believe in miracles is the question - I think they happen, will they here only time will tell.

In the meantime, my justification in my opinion and thinking is based on what I saw and feel. You base your opinion that things will be better on what you saw and feel - we think differently, it's that simple. I've said it's that simple all along, yet posters like yourself try to make it more then what it is.

If I felt we had something positive here - I'd rather be here saying that. This is not what I think and I'm not going to say something different to satisfy those who differ with me.

This is not Shangrila where there are no problems, concerns and everything smells like roses!

BarrelORum · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by Wrecked:
BOR, funny you say you are not arrogant enough to claim whether Chan is the right coach are not, but you are arrogant enough to claim that MS's arguments are fruitless and pointless. She is only expressing her opinion based on what she has seen and she feels.

I think all of our frustrations stem from the fact that we DON'T know if Chan is right for the job. As Ahso so diligently points out, Chan has as much Division 1-A head coaching experience as O'Leary (although George at least understood the Tech environment). Braine took a chance with Gailey and right now the we don't know the results although they don't look good right now. Even based on Gailey's own comments (I want to coach a Top 25 program) he has failed as a coach.

As posted earlier, I like the changes Gailey made in the off season and he deserves my support for this year. But to me, I don't see the point in so harshly criticizing other fans for their opinions no matter how poorly or strongly they are stated.

I know I'm arrogant.. What I'm not is arrogant if not STUPID enough to claim I am a prophet.

MsTechAnalysis · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by BarrelORum:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:

Sarcasm will get you NO WHERE. My feelings are based on what I saw. It's an opinion like yours, no more, no less! Your opinions seem to think he will do well. My opinions thinks he won't!
As much as the faithful look to the end - the writing was on the wall for me from beginning to end. The end was sooooo bad, it's hard to put it aside and say move on. It's an long lasting stain in the history of GT football.

"The writing was on the wall for me from beginning to end"???? Ahhh.... MsTech, I have completely misjudged you. We are inherently inferior. It is apparently obvious now that you possess a Crystal Ball.

Ohhh Great Crystal Ball what do you predict for this upcoming season??? Please lay it out for me with your prophetic abilities. I'd like to know first and foremost our game by game results. At what point will this team fall apart and abandon Gailey? Could you please bless us with your knowledge, because I still have time to refund or sell my season tickets. I mean if you're so accurate, what's the point of even playing the games. I can take more vacation time now that I comfortably know you have all the answers. I mean if you knew from the very beginning about Gailey and the season we had last year, then what's stoppping you from informing the rest of us idiots what will take place this year.

So MsTech... here's the opportunity to put your money where your mouth is... go for it!!! I cannot WAIT to hear this....<hr /></blockquote>I went to games for 30 years and there were many of those years we were underdogs in most ... I still went - turn my tix in, why because I believe this coach is not meant for Tech - heck NO. I've been supporting GT longer then he's been here - why should I change in that respect.

Prognosis in the past have been dim, I went anyway. The real supporters ALWAYS DO! 30 years missing only 4 games says a lot for my support of the team, now the coach is a different story. I've said that here before as well, you just chose to come on board and never read it before.

Everytime a poster has posted here what there opinion is about the upcoming season, I have refrained from giving a record. Why you ask, because I have ALWAYS GONE TO THESE GAMES EVEN WHEN WE WERE 30 PT UNDERDOGS and thought we'd win. It was always the way - didn't matter who the coach was or how much I didn't like him. My mind set has always been we'd win but had nothing to do with who was coaching and what the final outcome would be.

I will refrain again from posting what I think our record will be because in the end, I too want them to win every one. Me wanting and what actually will happen are those feelings for what I saw and believe will be. If the miracle occurs he may garner my support. If the miracle doesn't happen, I still went and supported the team and he will garner no support.

It's so simple yet some tend to want to make it complicated - it's not. You like him or you don't has nothing to do with my support of this team. How many times in any sport you follow your home teams and the coaching stinks, it happens every day, in every sport. Yet, we continue to go because we are supporters of that team, that institution, that connection if you will.

Coaches come and go - supporters are always here -at least the diehards who when they have a problem with the coach - they go IN SPITE OF!

I'm in the 'in spite of' days again!

ahsoisee · Jul 8, 2003

MsTA, I almost fell out of my chair, when you said it was your opinion.

I can understand your opinion and appreciate it. It might not be mine, but I respect opinions.

However, I still reserve the right to a rebuttal of your opinion with one of my own.

BarrelORum · Jul 8, 2003

Miss Tech, how come 30 years of experience going to games hasn't bought you a clue??

I gave you a chance to put your money where your mouth is.. you opted out. You rather make general statements, conspicuous opinions, and in general ACT like you know what will happen. Given the opportunity to show everyone here just HOW much you know... you ran for the woods.

It's funny 30 years of experience going to games and you cannot even remember Tech's history between the Curry and Ross years.

Anyway... I gave you an opportunity, you decided not to take it. Maybe it's because you're too much of a coward to go on record by stating what you apparently "Already" know, that none of us have figured out yet. It's obviously convenient for you because we will not be able to measure in certain terms (because you won't give them) the accuracy of your apparent knowledge.

Hindsight is 20-20... apparently you live to give hindsight and then act like it was freaking "the writing on the wall."

So if you're not going to put your money where your mouth is... STOP BITCHing, (Because I Think Chan is Horrible)Because you really don't know Jack Squat.

DaveTech · Jul 8, 2003

BOR said

The "putting on the pants one leg at a time" argument is laughable at best. No shit Sherlock... is Tech like UGA academically, socially, culturally? Is it like Oklahoma??? Is it like Maryland??? Hell No it isn't, so stop reaching for straws and trying to compare us to those schools. We are quite obviously NOT those schools.

You are either Division I-A or you are not. Every school is "different". This one too big, this one too little, we can't recruit we are in the middle of nowhere. Give me a break. Every school that doesn't win has an excuse. Too bad they only count W's not L's or excuses.

BarrelORum · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis: Based on what I saw, I think he will fail! Based on what he didn't do, I think he will fail.

Now, if for some miracle reason he completely does an about face - then he may garner my support...[/QB]

Thank you MsTA for your definition of a bandwagon fan.

BarrelORum · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by DaveTech:
BOR said <blockquote>quote:<hr /> The "putting on the pants one leg at a time" argument is laughable at best. No shit Sherlock... is Tech like UGA academically, socially, culturally? Is it like Oklahoma??? Is it like Maryland??? Hell No it isn't, so stop reaching for straws and trying to compare us to those schools. We are quite obviously NOT those schools.

You are either Division I-A or you are not. Every school is "different". This one too big, this one too little, we can't recruit we are in the middle of nowhere. Give me a break. Every school that doesn't win has an excuse. Too bad they only count W's not L's or excuses.<hr /></blockquote>What's it like going through life with blinders on? You have no leg to stand on regarding this argument.

Alright, you are right they aren't excuses... I never said they were genius. What I did say is that the academic, cultural, and social differences at Tech make us a different place to coach than your fine examples of Oklahoma, Maryland, and UGA. Does a guy coming in a job automatically adjust immediately to those differences and the LIMITATIONS they place on us?

Not always. Yes, I said limitations. It's the reason we cannot go after every blue chip prospect in the country!!! Sure we have our plusses about Tech too. I don't doubt you there, but regardless all of the differences have to be learned, NOT ignored. And I'm not so blind to think someone having NEVER coached here is going to figure these thngs out on the first go round. Like I said, It's PAINFULLY OBVIOUS given the history of Tech football dating back to John Heisman that no previous coach has come in and adjusted so quickly.

Every Successful coach at Georgia Tech has had one thing in common. They knew how to MARKET Tech. They knew how to sell it to the recruits, they knew how to sell it to the other coaches they knew how to sell it to the players, they knew how to sell it to the fans.

Well guess what Dave... none of them did it in their first year on board, and that goes for guys like Dodd who had been with our program for a long time before he became coach, and guys like Ross who turned in two horrid years, and guys like O'Leary who didn't get it going until he brought the Fridge in...

It's not an excuse... it's a freaking REALITY!!! If we don't know how to market that REALITY then all were going to make are excuses. Get it Sherlock?

MsTechAnalysis · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by BarrelORum:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis: Based on what I saw, I think he will fail! Based on what he didn't do, I think he will fail.

Now, if for some miracle reason he completely does an about face - then he may garner my support...

Thank you MsTA for your definition of a bandwagon fan.

[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>Looks like you can't tell the difference between some who goes no matter what vs. someone who is bandwagon and only care and go when the team is doing well!

Diehards don't know bandwagon. My 30 years of attending these games and being a season tix holder says more about my allegiance to this school and team then to any coach who took the job here. A connection was made with the school, not who the coach happened to be.

Questioning my 30 years of holding season tix is in answer to your question as to what I believe will happen and not going if that supposed 'crystal ball' you spoke about was showing negative results. Those negatives have been there in the past - it didn't deter my going to any games from 1973 on and missing only 4 home games.

So, question your own self in trying to spin something about me and my allegiance to a school's team when they are not doing well, or the coach at the time. It's a job - that's all. If the job isn't being done well and I see it - I'll say it!

calderman420 · Jul 8, 2003

Wow! I haven't seen a thread like this since "Chan Rumor". Way to stir it up Beebad! Anyone know the thread length record, btw?

BarrelORum · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by MsTechAnalysis:Looks like you can't tell the difference between some who goes no matter what vs. someone who is bandwagon and only care and go when the team is doing well!

Diehards don't know bandwagon. My 30 years of attending these games and being a season tix holder says more about my allegiance to this school and team then to any coach who took the job here. A connection was made with the school, not who the coach happened to be.

Questioning my 30 years of holding season tix is in answer to your question as to what I believe will happen and not going if that supposed 'crystal ball' you spoke about was showing negative results. Those negatives have been there in the past - it didn't deter my going to any games from 1973 on and missing only 4 home games.

So, question your own self in trying to spin something about me and my allegiance to a school's team when they are not doing well, or the coach at the time. It's a job - that's all. If the job isn't being done well and I see it - I'll say it![/QB]

I didn't say the job was done well either MsTA, but what I'm not doing is make it sound like the man cannot right the ship. Unfortunately your 30 years in the stands didn't give you enough wisdom. Our history speaks for itself. No first year coach (EVEN DODD who was with the program for several years before he became head coach) had a good first year. Dodd took a team that beat UGA 44-0 went undefeated in the SEC, and posted an 8-3 overall record and 9-2 the year before and went 4-6 with a 33-0 drubbing by the hands of UGA.

I bet you ANYTHING you would have said the same thing you are saying now about Gailey, about Bobby Dodd and you probably said about Ross too.

Your apparent "knowledge" of Gailey "damaging" our program is showing a complete LACK of insight to our program, Georgia Tech in general, and just shows your ignorance and lack of patience. Like I said and many people here have already proved, you don't know Jack Squat.

Whether you like it or not, Right now Chan Gailey IS Georgia Tech football. So either get on board
and support him, or get the hell off the bandwagon. 30 years or not... your attitude is bandwagon material.

**DONOTDELETE** · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by ncjacket:
BeeBad I think you are now the one overstating your case. Nobody expected us to suck when we hired Ross. In fact, most thought it was genius move that would pay immediate dividends. If you remember correctly we were beating UNC (who had a pretty decent team then) in the 4th quarter IIRC when the team completely melt down. I've never seen a group of players go from a competent team to the crap we ended up with so quickly.

Nothing against Ross. I am a big fan of his, but that team totally got away from him. If you remember there were stories about the difference in how he disciplined players from the way Curry did and he lost some guys who didn't like the new regime. To his credit he built things back fairly quickly, but you also can't excuse his first two teams IMO.

BTW, if you go back and look at his rosters we had some pretty decent players those years. Including Rick Strom, one of the few Tech QBs in many years to actually have any kind of NFL career. My point is, while the situations aren't identical, there also isn't too much difference in the fan's expectations when Ross arrived and last year. To say otherwise is revisionist.

Now you may have good points about the reasons things happened as they did. But it's funny that Ross had reasons but Chan has excuses? Could it be we didn't know what was really going on then? And maybe we don't now either?

NC.. you found my weakness.. can't remember details like you can going back into the 80s... All I remember about Ross is that he was a proven commodity... Seems back then it was universally accepted that it would take a few years for a coach to get his system in place... Times have changed now, haven't they? Too many coaches have come in lately and won championships after a year or two.....

I will never forgetwhen Ross chased that referee all the way to the dressing room after a game and pulled a hamstring before getting in his face for what he thought were bad calls... Was watching the game with a friend & we both agreed that a coach with that kind of intensity is one we want on our sidelines... When he came to Tech we were ecstatic....He was suspended on the following Monday after chasing down the ref & the next game he & Danny Ford (who was also suspended) spent the game up in the press box together... Ahhh, the good ol' days... If chan would only throw a clipboard or a headset ...

**DONOTDELETE** · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by BarrelORum:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by BeeBad:
BOR... go back to the other place... Talk about your meeting with Jack some more, how many chilidogs you ate at the Varsity, what the stadium expansion looks like, etc... Leave the pertinent topics to us hardcore fans over here...

I sense the FOCers are running out of gas... a few weeks ago ahso had some nice action going, now he's become a 1 trick pony... beating this O'Leary angle into a horse that is beyond recognition...

Good to see Jerry back in the fray... Dave & LL are obviously 2 gentleman who know their football... NC the voice of reason...

Beebad, that was freaking sad!!

Tell you what beebad, I'l go back to the Hive when you go back to the Dawgvent. If you had your way, whether you like it or not, we'd be coming off of our 10th losing season in a row, you would have given up 8 years ago on GT sports, and the rest of us would be sitting here pulling for the program to make a turnaround. You'd wait and wait and wait, the when Tech got good again, jump out of the closet, claim your the #1 fan of Tech, slam everything that is wrong with Tech, and act like you know everything about Tech.

You are nothing more than a Bandwagoneer. You know nothing, and it's apparently obvious.

You refuse to respond to peoples debate of your points. You hide from factual evidence contrary to your point of view and refuse to respond to it. Yet the whole time you hold onto your argument like a baby crying over a pacifier.

You're pathetic.

<hr /></blockquote>You're out of control... That pig-face for an avatar, these foaming at the mouth posts of yours... It's like.. Engineers Gone Wild / Tybee Island !!!!!

**DONOTDELETE** · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by calderman420:
Wow! I haven't seen a thread like this since "Chan Rumor". Way to stir it up Beebad! Anyone know the thread length record, btw?

calderman.. I thought the gailey debate would be dying with the season not too far way... Did you? Instead it appears the anger is boiling in the hot summer sun... I think we should all get a couple tables at the kick-off party w/boxing gloves as party favors... lol

LLCoolJacket · Jul 8, 2003

Oh, I don't know, BeeBad. You shouldn't make that type of comment unless you have tried mixing college football talk with glue sniffing.

BarrelORum · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by BeeBad:
You're out of control... That pig-face for an avatar, these foaming at the mouth posts of yours... It's like.. Engineers Gone Wild / Tybee Island !!!!![/QB]

Yes... Yes, I am.

When said poster gets upset and throws a temper tantrum about our football program "BECAUSE I THINK CHAN is HORRIBLE" they are in the running for the BITCH award. And the nominees are....

statelinejacket · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by BarrelORum:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by BeeBad:
You're out of control... That pig-face for an avatar, these foaming at the mouth posts of yours... It's like.. Engineers Gone Wild / Tybee Island !!!!!

Yes... Yes, I am.

When said poster gets upset and throws a temper tantrum about our football program "BECAUSE I THINK CHAN is HORRIBLE" they are in the running for the BITCH award. And the nominees are....[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>Barrel Of Rum: Did you come to StingTalk with a serious chip on your shoulder? Just curious thats all.

bellyseries · Jul 8, 2003

Originally posted by statelinejacket:
Barrel Of Rum: Did you come to StingTalk with a serious chip on your shoulder? Just curious thats all.

Say what, stateline? You're referring to an exchange between BeeNasty and BOR and you're asking if Barrel has a chip on his shoulder?

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