Deja Vu All Over Again....

Originally posted by Jerry the Jacket:
Hey BOR if we had hired Roof he would not have wasted a year trying to learn about the ins and outs of college football and the Georgia Tech culture and football tradition. I figured Gailey would struggle with identifying with Tech and how it works, I did not count him struggling to adapt to the college game.

We will probably hire Roof at the end of this season. That's my prediction. Now rail on about how Roof is not qualified and brings nothing to the dance. I too have heard you're rant on that, but I'm sure you would delight in telling everyone what an idiot I am for supporting Roof as a coaching candidate. But you know opinions are like buttholes we all have one.

As for entertaining me Ahso and ylo, you don't need to be concerned about that. I was just offering some constructive criticism to encourage you to explore some other areas since you have exhausted your material on O'Leary.

By the way Ahso your post from Dodd's Luck were very enlightening and entertaining. Keep up the good work in that direction. BOR and Ylo thank you for your passion for Tech football, I hope we can see some fire from our team this year like I see from you two guys. You might want to suit up if things go south!

Go Jackets!
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">how will we hire roof? he's going to be so successful at Duke .. Duke will never let him go. they'll pay him so much money .. for reviving the glory years of Duke. they'll fire franks and hire roof as their head coach.

LOL

roof follows the money and greener pastures as he demonstrated by first readily leaving for notre dame and then leaving for duke. much like curry.

LOL

roof is over his head being a DC, leave alone a head coach, leave alone a head coach at ga tech.
 
Still just don't know why we have to go overboard on every conversation we have here. Look Roof had no choice but to consider taking the ND job. AT THE TIME HE HAD NO OTHER JOB!!! The contracts of all the coaches on O'Leary's staff ended at the end of the year. No one at Tech made him an offer to stay. What was he supposed to do.

Then when Gailey came on board he decided he didn't want Ted as DC but wanted him on the staff. Roof initially accepted but when Duke made him a better offer he took it. Wouldn't you have done the same? I know I would have.

And finally, no, I don't think he's ready to be a HC. But if we have a terrible year, we may be forced to make a change. And if we do we better get somebody the fans and players will rally around. I would like to think Tech is a position that would attract a lot of interest, but we didn't seem to last time. Maybe the coaching community as a whole knows more about our situation than we think (or more than we know). So who knows, if we end up looking for a coach it could come down to Tech guys. Given Robinson vs Roof who would you take? Can't say that I know who the better choice would be.

One question I have is whether a "Tech man" would get more acceptance and patience than Chan has gotten. Would we be screaming at Robinson if he had the exact same results Chan did? Just wondering.
 
I chose not to answer earlier when a poster claimed Ylojk8, did not have anyone to defend him.

The reason I did not defend him, is he did not seem to need my support. He seems to do pretty well on his own.

I am not going to get on his bad side since he is a scorpio. I am married to a female scorpio, so I already know the results of being on their wrong side.

Father Time
 
ur right ncj. i went overboard. right now i don't care about roof. he's a rival coach. yeah, he played for tech and coached at tech and he's therefore a tech man but right now he's also a rival.

if jerry the jacket's prediction comes true and we hire ted roof, i will support him as much as i support gailey.

till then, i hope we break his defense's back when we face him and duke.
 
ylojk8, agree with everything you just said
 
I agree with NCJacket, I think Gailey did what he had to do. I think Roof did what he had to do. I hope both succeed. It would not be the moral thing to do to wish either failed.

The big mistake Gailey made is not cleaning house when he was first hired. He may have been urged to take the two, but he should have refused.

Hoping someone succeeds and believing they will are two different aspects of a situation.

Personally, if Gailey were not to succeed at Tech, I do not think Roof will be offered the job.

I had hoped Roof would excel at Duke as DC. He has done well in some respects, but the there is a concern at Duke about his pass defense. It is the same problem we had at Tech.

I guess at this time, he has not really proven himself as a DC at Tech or Duke. With this as a reality, I don't see Tech considering him in the near future.

If Gailey were to fail, I seriously doubt Robinson will be considered this time. There are even two on the present staff I consider exceptional coaches, Nix and Spencer, but I doubt either would be considered,

If Gailey were to fail, I believe Tech would hire a winning existing head coach from another team. If you were on the committee, would you take a pig-in-a-poke, if Gailey failed, or would you go after a sure thing?

Father Time
 
ahso, of course CG should have cleaned house and brought in his own!
Do you really think DB gave him a choice about BOB? NO!

Chan Gailey came here seeking an easy job, and he did not assert himself in any way.

Is this FACT? Possibly not, but probably so.
 
would you be howling if we paid gailey 175k a year? you're not getting the point. we have to pay money to attract coaches .. exactly how much is debatable.

we also have to be patient with new hires ..
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">It is you that is not getting the point. You can buy a KIA for 10 grand or a Mercedes for 80 grand. If you are happy paying for a Mercedes and getting a KIA.........that is the point.
 
BOR... go back to the other place... Talk about your meeting with Jack some more, how many chilidogs you ate at the Varsity, what the stadium expansion looks like, etc... Leave the pertinent topics to us hardcore fans over here...

I sense the FOCers are running out of gas... a few weeks ago ahso had some nice action going, now he's become a 1 trick pony... beating this O'Leary angle into a horse that is beyond recognition...

Good to see Jerry back in the fray... Dave & LL are obviously 2 gentleman who know their football... NC the voice of reason...
 
I could give a rip less about GOL. As far as I'm concerned he abandoned Tech, much like Curry did and he deserved being run off from ND. I support Chan Gailey not because I am a FOC, but because I believe he is a good coach. Maybe I'll be proven wrong. Maybe not. But at least I'm not proclaiming the sky to be falling on GT football daily like some posters do.
 
Originally posted by JacketFanPCB:
Big deal Beebad. One SI reporter's opinion based on a couple of sources. SI is slowly turning into the National Enquirer of sports. Just ask Mike Price.

Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin, and many other former Cowboys had VERY complimentary things to say about Gailey as coach. Plus there's the almost famous quote from Jerry Jones saying that one of the biggest mistakes he made was getting rid of Chan Gailey.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">From reading the board this weekend... many people have VERY complimentary things to say about beeware... gailey & beeware, now there's a 2some...
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Originally posted by ylojk8:
MsTA .. Tech was in a good position when Ross was hired. his first 2 seasons, we did as horribly as any coach as ever done at Tech.

bobby ross took over a team that had gone 9-2-1 and 5-5-1. in bobby ross' first 2 years, Tech went 2-9 and 3-8.

hell, it took bobby ross more than 2 full seasons to win his first ACC game. tech did not win even one ACC game in ross' first two years.

in his first two years, we had games very similar under ross, where ross' teams looked as out of it as we did in the last 2 games.

thankfully, people like you and beebad weren't incharge. thankfully, people like you and beebad *aren't* incharge.

no coach in the history of tech football since bobby dodd has had a smooth transition taking over from his predecessor and this includes bobby dodd, name bearer of the best coach of the year award.

if we are not patient with our new hires, we will never find out whether we just hired a bobby ross or a bill lewis.

anyways .. waste of breath and waste of my time, trying to make some people here see reason. statelinejacket will dismiss it as drivel anyways while eagerly awaiting inside information from beebad .. LOL
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Here's your inside info, nitwit... The year Curry went 9-2... he had redshirted his recruits 1 year, then the following year he redshirted very few of his recruits... So the 9-2 year he had a HUGE senior class, thus the fine record... After that the program paid for this little maneuver... You were still pissin' your pants back in the mid 80s so email someone who could order adult beverages back then & they will confirm... I was an avid Tech football fan back when you were still breast feeding...
 
once again i thank the gods that beebad isn't incharge of anything remotely useful. once again, i am thankful that he is a nobody.

oh but i forgot that i empower him by making such hateful posts.

more power to you beebad. you go girl!
 
Originally posted by ylojk8:
once again i thank the gods that beebad isn't incharge of anything remotely useful. once again, i am thankful that he is a nobody.

oh but i forgot that i empower him by making such hateful posts.

more power to you beebad. you go girl!
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">cute, jlo..
 
Originally posted by DaveTech:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif"> would you be howling if we paid gailey 175k a year? you're not getting the point. we have to pay money to attract coaches .. exactly how much is debatable.

we also have to be patient with new hires ..
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">It is you that is not getting the point. You can buy a KIA for 10 grand or a Mercedes for 80 grand. If you are happy paying for a Mercedes and getting a KIA.........that is the point.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">no, you are not getting the point as you display by using this silly anology.

however, i will use your anology to get my point across. doesn't matter if you get a new kia or a new mercedes. when you buy a new car, you will be told by the manufacturer not to push it when it's new. you will be told by the manufacturer not to speed till you reach a certain level of age with a new car. get it? it's a stupid anology but that's all i had to work with.

so we have got a kia for the price of a mercedes? that's funny. we sure did get a new car and we don't know how it'll turn out for us yet because it's brand new. we can't expect to get maximum performance straightaway from a brand new car.

plus our dealer messed up when we brought it in for the first service. he rotated the tires but took the air out of em, deflated em.
 
Originally posted by BeeBad:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Originally posted by ylojk8:
MsTA .. Tech was in a good position when Ross was hired. his first 2 seasons, we did as horribly as any coach as ever done at Tech.

bobby ross took over a team that had gone 9-2-1 and 5-5-1. in bobby ross' first 2 years, Tech went 2-9 and 3-8.

hell, it took bobby ross more than 2 full seasons to win his first ACC game. tech did not win even one ACC game in ross' first two years.

in his first two years, we had games very similar under ross, where ross' teams looked as out of it as we did in the last 2 games.

thankfully, people like you and beebad weren't incharge. thankfully, people like you and beebad *aren't* incharge.

no coach in the history of tech football since bobby dodd has had a smooth transition taking over from his predecessor and this includes bobby dodd, name bearer of the best coach of the year award.

if we are not patient with our new hires, we will never find out whether we just hired a bobby ross or a bill lewis.

anyways .. waste of breath and waste of my time, trying to make some people here see reason. statelinejacket will dismiss it as drivel anyways while eagerly awaiting inside information from beebad .. LOL
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Here's your inside info, nitwit... The year Curry went 9-2... he had redshirted his recruits 1 year, then the following year he redshirted very few of his recruits... So the 9-2 year he had a HUGE senior class, thus the fine record... After that the program paid for this little maneuver... You were still pissin' your pants back in the mid 80s so email someone who could order adult beverages back then & they will confirm... I was an avid Tech football fan back when you were still breast feeding...</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">so what are you trying to say? that tech was a horrible horrible team that suddenly went 9-2 because we redshirted some players?

and we reverted to a 2-9 and a 3-8 team because we stopped redshirting players?

are you the biggest idiot to have ever rooted for tech?

redshirting players 1 year leads to a 9-2 record out of the blue? you claim you understand football? tech is floundering, going for 2 to 3 win seasons, suddenly we redshirt a class and there's a bump in the road .. we go 9-2. LOL. but everyone is so stupid that they stop redshirting and so we fall back to 2 and 3 win seasons again. LOL

so you have been an avid tech fan for so many years have you? what was the point? i still suggest you switch to an SEC team. you and the SEC deserve each other.

beebad, nobody will miss you if you stop rooting for tech. nobody will even know, nobody will find out. you don't support tech in any manner or respect. you'd be inconspicuous in your absence.

harsh words. choke on em.
 
BeeBad I think you are now the one overstating your case. Nobody expected us to suck when we hired Ross. In fact, most thought it was genius move that would pay immediate dividends. If you remember correctly we were beating UNC (who had a pretty decent team then) in the 4th quarter IIRC when the team completely melt down. I've never seen a group of players go from a competent team to the crap we ended up with so quickly.

Nothing against Ross. I am a big fan of his, but that team totally got away from him. If you remember there were stories about the difference in how he disciplined players from the way Curry did and he lost some guys who didn't like the new regime. To his credit he built things back fairly quickly, but you also can't excuse his first two teams IMO.

BTW, if you go back and look at his rosters we had some pretty decent players those years. Including Rick Strom, one of the few Tech QBs in many years to actually have any kind of NFL career. My point is, while the situations aren't identical, there also isn't too much difference in the fan's expectations when Ross arrived and last year. To say otherwise is revisionist.

Now you may have good points about the reasons things happened as they did. But it's funny that Ross had reasons but Chan has excuses? Could it be we didn't know what was really going on then? And maybe we don't now either?
 
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