Demjackets is being unfairly criticized

I can assure you that I have never come close to duplicating Dem's recent position/methods.

You're honestly trying to convince me that in your whole life, you've never once complained about a co-worker or supervisor to anyone?

I find that claim to be monumentally dubious. I mean right up there with you telling me that you own a unicorn, dubious.

I am sorry that you are so hurt by the loss of your information. It is apparent to me that in your mind your "habit" far outweighs decency.

And it's apparent to me that you enjoy being self-righteous. Enjoy your sleep of the e-just this evening.
 
My two cents' worth Re: Demjackets being unfairly criticized..

This is just my humble opinion. First, I write to the fonts on this board. Then, I write to DemJackets.

I come on this site from time to time. I have been busy and don't post a lot - so I have not likely seen all of his posts. And, I do seriously question his judgment. But, I guess I generally agree that he is unfairly criticised for his opinion, at least; and, I would tend to take his side at least in a general sense.

I believe DemJackets either really works at the AA or knows someone that does. I also believe that he is a real fan - and his opinion is a valid one.

I happen to believe Coach Gailey is by far our best option for taking our program forward; but, I have no problem with DemJackets or any other font disagreeing with that. As a constituent fan that comes on this board, I don't even mind the way that he seemingly stated his opinion on the internet that Chan is not the guy to improve the program. Again, I just think he is dead wrong.

Some of you know me and perhaps will believe me. That is a choice that any of you may make. But, here are a few things that I do have a lot of reason to believe:

1. DemJackets gets some real information and tells at least some measure of truth here. I verified some of his comments before they were public information. And, whether we agree with him or not, his reports probably have been more good than bad. However, I will also say that some of the things he has suggested also seem untrue to me based on things that I know from the very best sources.

2. I am not sure that DemJackets is always truthful. Either I have misunderstood what he wrote, or at least some of what he said to me is definitely false. DemJackets told me in a private message that he works at a level in the AA where he just does not work (unless he is lying about something else). Again, I am not ready to call him a liar, as he could have mistyped what he wrote to me or I could have misunderstood. But, if those things are not true, then his is a guy that will alter the truth to serve his purposes. He told me that he wants to preserve his anonymity, so perhaps it was just one of those little "white lies" to protect his identity. But, if he will do it there, perhaps he would do it on this board.

And, DemJackets, if you are reading this, I can tell you that I still want to respect your request for privacy. I have tried not to guess any more who you are; but, I guess I have still questioned it a little despite myself. After looking a bit more at some of your posts, I have an idea who you are. I even think I saw you on Wednesday. But, I am far from sure - and I would not betray you, even if I knew with certainty.

3. I really question DemJackets' judgment. The font in this thread that suggested he could get fired is right on. If I worked for a business where I went on the internet - and represented myself as working for that business - and then said comparable things to what DemJackets said - I would expect to get fired. I think it was very poor taste for him to talk about working at the AA and then to release information on student-athletes' health and to comment on things that should remain sensitive and confidential: particularly BECAUSE he indicated he is in the AA.

DemJackets, if you are reading and still want to do your thing here, I think you need to find a new font and say your stuff under that font, recognizing that others may choose whether to believe you or not. If you feel like you need to say that stuff, at least be wise enough not to represent that you are in the AA. Unfortunately, with your information, enough people would presume it, anyway.

I also think that anyone at the AA - whether advocating themselves as such or not - should want to stick to positive comments. But, that is just my opinion. Again, using me at another business as an example - I would never want to go on the public internet and say things about the company or anyone at the company that was not positive. I would keep internal to the organization my negative opinions of people in the company or any beliefs that could possibly in any way be harmful.

At the least, you have been trusted with sensitive information that affects others. Was it prudent or honorable to betray that? If you had not represented yourself as someone internal to the organization in making those claims, I also think it would have been a lot better. At that point, you took your sensitive information from speculative to making them informative within the scope of your credibility, whatever that might be.

And, I think you are also doing yourself a disservice in putting yourself at risk. I know for a fact that some people in the AA read this board. Even in (sort of) trying not to figure out who you are, I have a pretty good idea of your identity (or more unfairly to him, who your source would be). If I have figured it out without trying, you better bet that others there know who you are. If they asked me who you are, I would not tell them. Again, I even think what you said would be okay if you didn't intimate that you worked at the AA.

So, I would put it this way. Your comments were fun for fans to read. Your opinion is valid and reasoned, even though I think you are dead wrong. Outside of indicating your work with the AA, it was even stated in an okay fashion. I just think you have used poor judgment.

If your bosses at the AA knew who you are and asked me whether they should fire you, I would be tempted to say "yes." Again, just my opinion that it was not too smart.

So, if I was you and I wanted to keep saying those things, I would find a new font and try to sound a little less certain of myself. I would also be a little less informative about information about players. People would still speculate that you are DemJackets in a new font; but, that would only be speculation at that point.

Otherwise, I have to admit that I appreciated your comments and discussion.

Again, just my opinion.
 
Re: My two cents' worth Re: Demjackets being unfairly criticized..

So, if I was you and I wanted to keep saying those things, I would find a new font and try to sound a little less certain of myself. I would also be a little less informative about information about players. People would still speculate that you are DemJackets in a new font; but, that would only be speculation at that point.
Let me get this straight. People speculate he works for the AA and he has accurate information (which you say is less than certain), but he shouldn't express his opinions, because he might jeopardize his job. So, in order to express his opinion and avoid jeopardizing his job, he should change his name and provide less certain, less certain information, so that people will only speculate that he is the guy who is the guy they speculated works for the AA?
:wtf:
 
Re: My two cents' worth Re: Demjackets being unfairly criticized..

Let me get this straight. People speculate he works for the AA and he has accurate information (which you say is less than certain), but he shouldn't express his opinions, because he might jeopardize his job. So, in order to express his opinion and avoid jeopardizing his job, he should change his name and provide less certain, less certain information, so that people will only speculate that he is the guy who is the guy they speculated works for the AA?
:wtf:

This syllogism seems simple enough to me. But, all the use of the word "speculate" in your post does make it a little less clear to me.

I don't think people speculate that he works at the AA. I think instead he has proferred that himself. So, at that point you are only speculating whether he is telling the truth in saying that or not. Therefore, within the scope of whatever credibility you assign to that, he is either telling the truth about his information or not.

In other words, if he didn't put it out there that he works at the AA, he could say the same stuff and - at least to me - it would be a very different issue. If people were just guessing that he was informed about stuff - instead of him saying he gets it directly from meeting with the players or whatever - then, it is a different set of issues.

Using my fictional job at another company as an example (and again noting that I would never do this in any hypothetical): if I go on and tell company secrets without disclosing any connection to the company, that is a very different matter to me than if I go on and state that I am part of the company. I also think there are several recent court precedents and a couple of publicized cases around this matter and whether it is legal or ethical.

If he changes his font and his tone of certainty a bit, then at least he returns the issue to a very different sort of speculation.

I would think if the NCAA, the GTAA, or any student unhappy with him disclosing injury information looked into the matter, it would be treated very differently if he didn't posit it under the guise of an official within the organization, whether others may have believed him to be an official or not. To me, as a fan reading the internet, it is also a significant difference.

If you came on and said in seriousness you were Dan Radakovich, the gravity of anything you said (lying or not) would increase. At some point, if I believe you, then you are a credible source and your statements are official and somewhat definitive. If not, you are a grave liar that has committed identity fraud. Does that make better sense?

By the way, this whole matter seems to be getting too serious to me now, anyway. I don't really care that much. Just stating my opinion: mostly in an attempt to be helpful to DemJackets and anyone that may read his stuff or want to keep him doing so.
 
By the way, this whole matter seems to be getting too serious to me now, anyway.

I've got to agree with that. Threads like these suck the fun right out of this place.
 
I've got to agree with that. Threads like these suck the fun right out of this place.

Whatever, you didn't get the memo about how deadly serious messageboard communities are?

This place matters!

It's important!
 
Re: My two cents' worth Re: Demjackets being unfairly criticized..

I would think if the NCAA, the GTAA, or any student unhappy with him disclosing injury information looked into the matter, it would be treated very differently if he didn't posit it under the guise of an official within the organization, whether others may have believed him to be an official or not. To me, as a fan reading the internet, it is also a significant difference.
This part I can agree with, but it isn't the topic of this thread. I have no problem with him posting his opinion. It may be grounded in a better factual basis than most of our opinions, but it is still just that.

OTOH, the extent to which injuries, current depth charts, attitudes within and amongst the team are expressed beyond that of common knowledge can have a significant impact on the outcome of the sporting event itself. From that standpoint, I've been very surprised at some of the information that has been divulged.
 
demjackets was one of our best posters and now the bbuzzoffers have driven him out.

damnit.
 
Wow... I have been reading the posts here all season and enjoyed Stingtalk a great deal. Some things have made me want to post but none like this... Let Dem speak! I look forward to reading his posts... No one knows who he is so why bother talking of firing him? He could scrub the floors! I for one am tired of getting beat by UGA and getting the same bragging phone calls every year under CCG! I am tired of being happy with 7 wins! WE SHOULD FIGHT THE WHOLE GAME! And, it's hard for me to say these players don't give there all when I see Tashard with a sledgehammer! I don't see CCG fighting! He doesn't play for the win...the kill so to speak. What is wrong with you people?! Huh? It is so easy to see that CCG looks to control games and preserve wins...Just try to win...period! Go for the throat! Intensity is key! The games are getting very boring to watch... How many times do you get upset over the dumbest play calls?! How many times does your little nephew "guess" which play we run next? When is enough, enough? So, Dem...thanks for saying what needed to be said... And, on a personal note mid, I am in the Army...And your comment on the other thread about questioning leaders I have a problem with. If I had a leader overseas who wasn't leading our troops to win all out..And, who said that losing 4-5 is the best we could hope for. I would vocally express my concern! You should expect to win ALL the time! If not it will never happen...
 
Can somebody put a link to what demjackets said that was so offensive? I for one like to read what dem posts and cant remember reading anything for which he should be so criticized for.
 
http://www.stingtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22786&page=7

I believe the post in question is this one:

How am I over the top? What did your first comment actually mean, your actively involved in what?

You go with it could get a whole lot worse but deny that it could get a whole lot better? Dan isnt going to make a move that doesnt make sense, Chan has some great qualities but has some much noted problems as well, every coach has some, has he worked on his weaknesses to improve like you said? With Chan our football will always stay the same, no matter what talent we are bringing in, it will be the same bland type of playing not to lose we have watched every year.

I have always been behind Chan but now its getting to the point where its a good possibility if he doesnt win out he is gone, do I think if that happens and the right move is made can our program improve? Definitely, could it decline? That could happen to, some times you have to take risks. I guess your not a big risk taker and dont like changes much.

I think if we want to stay a steady middle of the road ACC team, we stick with Chan, he will get us some good wins and some terrible losses, we will compete every year but always come up short once we think we have reached that level. If thats what you want we stick with Chan. If you want a chance to reach the next level a change would have to be made or either someone has to change their philosophies.

I will not stand in judgement of dem, a poster who I genuinely enjoy reading, and I think much of the criticism is unfounded and over the top, but I will say that if I were his boss I wouldn't be very happy...Mike
 
This one was is a bit problematic as well (particularly the last sentence):

http://www.stingtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22786&page=6

I meant that we will continue to do what we have been doing which is just getting by, recruiting is taking off would a change make things different? No not if some things stay in place like they probably will, we sit in the middle of black hollywood, a big city, and one of the best high school football states in the country. There is no reason why recruiting should not be good or be like it was the year before last, we have the facilities, the resources to go out and recruit, there is everything you need to be successful here. He has had his chance to prove he can take the team to the next level, 6 YEARS! Do you believe we are there? Well we aren't because we all here believe we can be up top with the elite, yes we have recruiting restrictions but they are not as tough as most people think. If we win out he stays that was the expectation set early in the season, your most talented team is supposed to move you to a new level. People say we dont have the talent, look at our roster we have more players on this team we will end up sending to the NFL over the next couple of years then ever. Talent is there, the expectations were there, the program is moving up in a steady pace, its not translating to the field though. That calls for a change to make that last transition complete.
 
Why the hell are we chasing off an informative poster? **** like this belongs on the ****ing Hive.
 
Instead of chasing off an informative and devoted contributor, let's unfairly criticize some of the worthless creeps who just crack wise and never add anything of value ... uh, nevermind.
 
As I recall, didn't demj correct a published account by a sportwriter stating that CG "knew he was gone" at the end of the year? The discontent among supporters is not exactly a state secret. And I am happy if our AD notices that discontent. Further, I trust him not to be as reactive as some here might be.

I don't think there is an agenda there other than the improvement of GT football. And I take offense at some of the critics who have publicly demonstrated that they are more devoted to CG than to GT. There was one who sounded like a typical UGA fan calling GT cheaters, there was another font who stated he would stop supporting GT if CG were fired.

How is it that these types of positions and opinions could be regarded as "correct" on a GT football fan forum?

I hope CG stays for a long time because he turns the program around in such a fashion that no one will question his accomplishments. I hope that because it would mean the team is winning under his leadership. But I don't elevate CG, the nice guy, as more important than Georgia Tech. If he stays; he stays. If he goes; then I support the next coach and hope he rises to tremendous success.

If you support continuing CG as coach at GT regardless of his performance for the rest of the year, then one of three things is true:

1) You think CG has done as well as any coach possibly could do under the circumstances. He will turn the program around but just needs more time.

2) You think GT can never do any better than we currently are doing and could certainly do worse. You fear the "worse" enough not to risk the "better."

3) You just like CG and don't care about the performance of the team under him.


I can understand #1 but disagree with it. At some point, you have to define "more time" unequivocally.

#2 is depressing to me and I can't get excited about the team without the "hope" of doing better.

No one (outside personal friends and family) will publicly admit to #3, but I seriously think some people fall in this category, even if they don't admit it to themselves. They prefer a coach that they like who doesn't perform over one they dislike who does perform.
 
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