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andrew said:
NIL is way less of a factor than people like to say in terms of how players act, in my opinion. Relatively few players have big NIL deals, and as you point out there have always been instances of players and even entire teams quitting.

Even for those who do have NIL deals, it's a tenuous connection at best -- they're going to care less about playing football now that they can make money playing football? They're going to quit more easily now that they have a source of income dependent on people paying them to play?

The much, much bigger deal is the free transfer. It used to be that once you were at a school, it took a huge sacrifice to switch programs, a sacrifice that impeded your career and took a precious year of eligibility away. So most players weren't willing to do that, and had to make the best of things where they were. Almost no one was willing to risk a starting job or even a shot at one to sit out a year and transfer.

With the free transfer, it makes a lot more sense to shut it down midseason knowing that you can go into a more favorable situation immediately. It also gives an out to players who don't want to put in the work if the team isn't doing well, or cause trouble in the locker room, etc. -- a coach is very limited in what he can do when the player can just leave at the end of the season with no repercussions.
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I disagree somewhat. I can see the CEO of a company who has invested a pretty sizable sum of money on a player and that player decides, eh, I'm out. That CEO giving him a call and saying, really, I'll take back some of that cash sir, or I'll see you in court. It's a different time. I don't like it at all, but the genie is out of the bottle. These guys are simply now mercenaries, not simply college athletes. And if they want to pay to play, there is the other side of that coin that they need to understand. Same, in my opinion, for saying certain things about players. If you're willing to go that route, you open yourself up to criticism and not the protection of being simply a college athlete.
 
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Nice teeth.
 
Rather than NIL performance based incentives, I should have said Booster provided 'bonuses'.
 
1990wspjacket said:
Todays college football is just not what weve grown used to watching, NIL is no bueno for kids thinking they are something they arent.
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"College" football is losing some of its appeal for me. I still enjoy it and hope Tech will be good again, but I don't care about it like I used to. Paying players, players changing teams so often, players deciding "when" and "when not" to play, players picking uniform colors, odd game times, taking home games away to other places, ridiculously over paid coaches, etc. are just making it mean less to me. I'm sure this doesn't bother many people, but it bothers me. Part of how I feel may be because of Tech's last four years, but part of it is just what "college" football has evolved into. And I notice a lot more empty seats at games everywhere, even in the SEC. College football better take a hard look at itself, in my opinion.
 
CiraldoForever said:
"College" football is losing some of its appeal for me. I still enjoy it and hope Tech will be good again, but I don't care about it like I used to. Paying players, players changing teams so often, players deciding "when" and "when not" to play, players picking uniform colors, odd game times, taking home games away to other places, ridiculously over paid coaches, etc. are just making it mean less to me. I'm sure this doesn't bother many people, but it bothers me. Part of how I feel may be because of Tech's last four years, but part of it is just what "college" football has evolved into. And I notice a lot more empty seats at games everywhere, even in the SEC. College football better take a hard look at itself, in my opinion.
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I’ll get off your lawn. And join you on the porch to yell at others to get off it too
 
CiraldoForever said:
"College" football is losing some of its appeal for me. I still enjoy it and hope Tech will be good again, but I don't care about it like I used to. Paying players, players changing teams so often, players deciding "when" and "when not" to play, players picking uniform colors, odd game times, taking home games away to other places, ridiculously over paid coaches, etc. are just making it mean less to me. I'm sure this doesn't bother many people, but it bothers me. Part of how I feel may be because of Tech's last four years, but part of it is just what "college" football has evolved into. And I notice a lot more empty seats at games everywhere, even in the SEC. College football better take a hard look at itself, in my opinion.
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It's not necessarily that I dislike CFB now, it's just that given all the things you've said I'd rather watch the NFL for the most part. If everything about the college game is professionalized (and make no mistake, this was happening well before NIL), then why not watch the best?

That's a little hyperbolic -- there are still things I like about college more than the NFL. But the two are coming closer and closer, and I am gravitating towards the NFL more and more.

And everyone will scream NIL and paying players, but the much bigger thing to me is conference realignment, expanding the playoffs, discarding 100 year old rivalries, moving games off campus, etc. And the free transfer rule I mentioned before.
 
Gibbs can eat öööö and howl at the moon. He quit on his team with two games left in the season.
 
College football used to give credence to tradition and rivalry but all that seems to have been thrown out of the window for the almighty dollar. Well, the hundreds of millions of dollars.

I'm with Ciraldo, my interest is waning. But I'm not sure if that is due to NIL or transfers or my team coached into oblivion by a guy that probably wouldn't even make a good used car salesman.
 
CiraldoForever said:
"College" football is losing some of its appeal for me. I still enjoy it and hope Tech will be good again, but I don't care about it like I used to. Paying players, players changing teams so often, players deciding "when" and "when not" to play, players picking uniform colors, odd game times, taking home games away to other places, ridiculously over paid coaches, etc. are just making it mean less to me. I'm sure this doesn't bother many people, but it bothers me. Part of how I feel may be because of Tech's last four years, but part of it is just what "college" football has evolved into. And I notice a lot more empty seats at games everywhere, even in the SEC. College football better take a hard look at itself, in my opinion.
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The thing that's been waning it for me is how noncompetitive it's been at the top, especially recently. Have to go back 5 years to find a championship game with a margin under 14 points. In the whole playoff run there has been 3 (out of 16) semifinal games that were single possession finals and 1 that was a two possession game; the rest have been fairly large blowouts though a few made it to the 2nd half.

That's not even getting into the concentration of teams that have made the playoffs and finals. This year there could be a couple new teams but at the same time the final outcome of the playoffs feels more certain than ever.
 
Most damaging to college football are the recent transfer rule changes. Requiring players to sit out a year discouraged transferring and promoted virtues like loyalty, perseverance, and selflessness. Instead, players now just do whatever is in their immediate selfish interest. Teams lose their identities as players leave and existing players are supplanted by transfers. Worse, the combination with the NIL policy highly incentivizes transfers so their number has increased dramatically.

There's no good reason that I can think of--academic or legal or ethical--that the NCAA can't go back to making players sit out a year. MAKE TRANSFERS SIT!
 
andrew said:
NIL is way less of a factor than people like to say in terms of how players act, in my opinion. Relatively few players have big NIL deals, and as you point out there have always been instances of players and even entire teams quitting.

Even for those who do have NIL deals, it's a tenuous connection at best -- they're going to care less about playing football now that they can make money playing football? They're going to quit more easily now that they have a source of income dependent on people paying them to play?

The much, much bigger deal is the free transfer. It used to be that once you were at a school, it took a huge sacrifice to switch programs, a sacrifice that impeded your career and took a precious year of eligibility away. So most players weren't willing to do that, and had to make the best of things where they were. Almost no one was willing to risk a starting job or even a shot at one to sit out a year and transfer.

With the free transfer, it makes a lot more sense to shut it down midseason knowing that you can go into a more favorable situation immediately. It also gives an out to players who don't want to put in the work if the team isn't doing well, or cause trouble in the locker room, etc. -- a coach is very limited in what he can do when the player can just leave at the end of the season with no repercussions.
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The other thing free transfer rule does is kill the tangible connection students and alumni have with the team. It’s one reason I care a lot less than I used to and barely know the two-deep if at all. A lot of these guys are just gonna leave and then be replaced by other transient players. It’s not so much Georgia Tech Football as it is a team that happens to play at Georgia Tech.

All this being said, I’m not sure why a player should get penalized for wanting to transfer. I suppose I just wish the focus for everyone was simply the school and the football was adjacent, rather than football success only and school be damned.
 
Timetable of what ails cFB....stopping flunking kids in school in the 60s--the everybody gets a trophy culture--the ESPN effect--absurd salaries for coaches--facilities wars--firing Bagmen and replacing them with NIL(a LOT more drinking happened after prohibition)--Free agency in "college" sports--NFL transitioning into T(hug)FL which cFB and even high school football is imitating.
Summary: It ain't coming back--Genie out da bottle and bottle broke.
Important note: The end of Prohibition was a good thing!
Z
 
GoldZ said:
Timetable of what ails cFB....stopping flunking kids in school in the 60s--the everybody gets a trophy culture--the ESPN effect--absurd salaries for coaches--facilities wars--firing Bagmen and replacing them with NIL(a LOT more drinking happened after prohibition)--Free agency in "college" sports--NFL transitioning into T(hug)FL which cFB and even high school football is imitating.
Summary: It ain't coming back--Genie out da bottle and bottle broke.
Important note: The end of Prohibition was a good thing!
Z
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After reading all that I wonder how you feel about the end of prohibition of marijuana which is taking place state by state.
 
Cap recruiting expenditures. All professional sports have some sort of salary cap that prevents the rich from outbidding the poor, and even then in cases like MLB, there are still inadequacies on payrolls. It’s fine to visit a recruit and sell him/her on your program, but once that’s done it’s done, it’s up to the ‘student athlete’ to then make a decision on what college he/she wants to attend.
 
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