Espn picks up option to televise ACC til 2036

[Tampa Jacket]

“GT would end up in a G5 if you ran it, apparently. The Big12 is damn garbage”

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The Big 12 is a better football conference than the ACC. This isn’t just my opinion. There are reasons Clemson and Florida State want out.

 

[BuzzCzar]

This thread is not about any wussy whiner comments about leaving the conference or where to. Read the thread title and keep the whining about conference affiliation in the whining about conference affiliation thread. There really is no reason for the same ppl to say the same things over and over and here again.

 

[midatlantech]

The ACC is clearly the third best option for us. The Big 12 would be a travel nightmare playing long distances away and home in front of nobody.
The ACC is good when Tech is good. By far, we have the best President in fifty years for athletics. Give it some time, I see real effort and $$$ being spent. Jump on board.

 

[USCJacket]

The ACC is clearly the third best option for us. The Big 12 would be a travel nightmare playing long distances away and home in front of nobody.
The ACC is good when Tech is good. By far, we have the best President in fifty years for athletics. Give it some time, I see real effort and $$$ being spent. Jump on board.

In front of nobody? Are you kidding? Outside of Clemson, NCSU and VT, the ACC’s attendance is a disaster, and it shows on TV. The B12 on the other hand generally has sellouts across the board. ACC for the most part has larger stadiums with LESS attendance vs every B12 team. Don’t let the facts get in the way.

2024 FBS Attendance Trends | College Athletics News | D1 ticker

Data through Week 14. * indicates school's stadium is under renovation and capacity is not the same as 2023

www.d1ticker.com

Your 2nd false narrative about travel again is comical. ACC current road trips to the following:

BC, Syracuse, SMU, Stanford, Cal. And that doesn’t include Miami for most of the ACC not named FSU, GT, Clemson.

B12 has closer games against WVU, UCF, Cincy, etc.

 

[gtGreg768b]

In front of nobody? Are you kidding? Outside of Clemson, NCSU and VT, the ACC’s attendance is a disaster, and it shows on TV. The B12 on the other hand generally has sellouts across the board. ACC for the most part has larger stadiums with LESS attendance vs every B12 team. Don’t let the facts get in the way.

2024 FBS Attendance Trends | College Athletics News | D1 ticker

Data through Week 14. * indicates school's stadium is under renovation and capacity is not the same as 2023

www.d1ticker.com

Your 2nd false narrative about travel again is comical. ACC current road trips to the following:

BC, Syracuse, SMU, Stanford, Cal. And that doesn’t include Miami for most of the ACC not named FSU, GT, Clemson.

B12 has closer games against WVU, UCF, Cincy, etc.

The fans come when the football becomes good, or when there are compelling matchups. I wouldn't have any more interest in watching Tech play Cincinnati than I would in seeing Tech play Wake.

What's your solution? Leaving the ACC to go to the Big12 would be super dumb from a travel standpoint, and would be very boring from a matchup standpoint. The Big12's marquee schools just left to go to the sec, and they are spinning a narrative that new members Cincinnati and UCF are just as good. You seem to be taking the bait. The ACC successfully kept our 2 marquee football members (at least the 2 with the most recent national championships) for at least another decade.

Another news flash: one of the reasons that the ACC is perceived as crap is because Tech, one of the ACC's better football brands, has been ultra crap during Collins' ill-fated tenure. When we improve, and start beating Georgia, the perception of the ACC will improve.

I generally like your analysis, but you have been pointlessly down on the ACC... Do you honestly think we have any option other than working to improve our football and basketball teams while praying for an invite from the B1G or the SEC?

 

[WracerX]

In front of nobody? Are you kidding? Outside of Clemson, NCSU and VT, the ACC’s attendance is a disaster, and it shows on TV. The B12 on the other hand generally has sellouts across the board. ACC for the most part has larger stadiums with LESS attendance vs every B12 team. Don’t let the facts get in the way.

2024 FBS Attendance Trends | College Athletics News | D1 ticker

Data through Week 14. * indicates school's stadium is under renovation and capacity is not the same as 2023

www.d1ticker.com

Your 2nd false narrative about travel again is comical. ACC current road trips to the following:

BC, Syracuse, SMU, Stanford, Cal. And that doesn’t include Miami for most of the ACC not named FSU, GT, Clemson.

B12 has closer games against WVU, UCF, Cincy, etc.

I’m trying to think of which B12 teams would fill our stadium, maybe WVU. The B12 vs ACC is asking if you want near uninteresting rivals or far ones.

The ACC could have a nice slate of games for us, but we can’t seem to get enough teams out of that group in any given year.

GT premier games:
FSU, Clemson, ND

GT interesting games:
uNC, VT, Miami, UL

GT could be good but just don’t have the magic:
UVa, NCST, Pitt

GT just to erratic to have the magic:
Wake, Duke, BC

GT just to new, but will likely never have the magic:
Stanford, Cal

GT could join interesting level someday:
SMU

This season we had several premier and interesting games on TV and our viewership reflected it. Also, most of the interesting or above games were away from BDS making the home slate uninteresting.

 

[USCJacket]

The fans come when the football becomes good, or when there are compelling matchups. I wouldn't have any more interest in watching Tech play Cincinnati than I would in seeing Tech play Wake.

What's your solution? Leaving the ACC to go to the Big12 would be super dumb from a travel standpoint, and would be very boring from a matchup standpoint. The Big12's marquee schools just left to go to the sec, and they are spinning a narrative that new members Cincinnati and UCF are just as good. You seem to be taking the bait. The ACC successfully kept our 2 marquee football members (at least the 2 with the most recent national championships) for at least another decade.

Another news flash: one of the reasons that the ACC is perceived as crap is because Tech, one of the ACC's better football brands, has been ultra crap during Collins' ill-fated tenure. When we improve, and start beating Georgia, the perception of the ACC will improve.

I generally like your analysis, but you have been pointlessly down on the ACC... Do you honestly think we have any option other than working to improve our football and basketball teams while praying for an invite from the B1G or the SEC?

The thing is, you’re missing the global point. The ACC has the worst attendance by school / stadium capacity.

Playing Wake, UVA, Pitt, BC, Duke (even though they have been good for the past decade overall), Stanford, Cal, etc are not driving attendance figures now. Heck, the Miami game had empty seats. So to say playing BYU, ASU, Arizona, Baylor, UCF, etc will drive down attendance is a bit of a stretch. I’m not just referring to GT home games either. As I referenced with the link showing attendance by school. The ACC has a real problem with attendance across the board (outside of Clemson, VT).

At least the B12 has schools who sell games out on a consistent basis as shown. The ACC struggles to sell games out even when teams are good (Miami). GT under CPJ, etc.

The ACC on a national level is all about Clemson, FSU, Miami and to an extent UNC. Those are the schools that garner the most attention. When GT, Pitt, UofL etc are good, it helps the ACC overall when Clemson, FSU, Miami are also good. When Clemson, FSU, Miami struggle (more so FSU, Miami) over the past 15 years, combined with the next tier (GT included struggling) the ACC gets the reputation that’s out there.

I do think the ACC is a sinking ship. And when you’re getting hammered OOC by the other leagues, combined with lack of attendance, and a bad revenue deal, it’s just a bad situation going forward.

Clemson, FSU will eventually find their way out. And then what happens to the ACC? That’s the problem. I’ve said this for a year, an ACC/B12 merger would be the best situation for both leagues. It creates a very strong #3.

 

[gtGreg768b]

The thing is, you’re missing the global point. The ACC has the worst attendance by school / stadium capacity.

Playing Wake, UVA, Pitt, BC, Duke (even though they have been good for the past decade overall), Stanford, Cal, etc are not driving attendance figures now. Heck, the Miami game had empty seats. So to say playing BYU, ASU, Arizona, Baylor, UCF, etc will drive down attendance is a bit of a stretch. I’m not just referring to GT home games either. As I referenced with the link showing attendance by school. The ACC has a real problem with attendance across the board (outside of Clemson, VT).

At least the B12 has schools who sell games out on a consistent basis as shown. The ACC struggles to sell games out even when teams are good (Miami). GT under CPJ, etc.

The ACC on a national level is all about Clemson, FSU, Miami and to an extent UNC. Those are the schools that garner the most attention. When GT, Pitt, UofL etc are good, it helps the ACC overall when Clemson, FSU, Miami are also good. When Clemson, FSU, Miami struggle (more so FSU, Miami) over the past 15 years, combined with the next tier (GT included struggling) the ACC gets the reputation that’s out there.

I do think the ACC is a sinking ship. And when you’re getting hammered OOC by the other leagues, combined with lack of attendance, and a bad revenue deal, it’s just a bad situation going forward.

Clemson, FSU will eventually find their way out. And then what happens to the ACC? That’s the problem. I’ve said this for a year, an ACC/B12 merger would be the best situation for both leagues. It creates a very strong #3.

The ACC had a bad bowl season this year, but to say that the ACC is consistently getting "hammered" OOC is cherry picking data. This useful site shows comprehensive interconference records for the past 20 years, and while the results are not stellar, they aren't as bad as you are insinuating: https://topdan.com/college-football-conference-records/acc.html

From reviewing the above, I would propose that the factor that hurts the ACC most in terms of attendance and overall cache is (outside of Clemson) the lack of a consistent winner. Teams like Pitt, Wake, Louisville, FSU, Miami, and Tech have all followed up stellar years with real stinkers. An ACC/Big12 merger is an interesting idea, but I disagree with the assertion that the ACC is a sinking ship. A couple of years of consistency would go a long way to change the narrative.

 

[midatlantech]

The ACC had a bad bowl season this year, but to say that the ACC is consistently getting "hammered" OOC is cherry picking data. This useful site shows comprehensive interconference records for the past 20 years, and while the results are not stellar, they aren't as bad as you are insinuating: https://topdan.com/college-football-conference-records/acc.html

From reviewing the above, I would propose that the factor that hurts the ACC most in terms of attendance and overall cache is (outside of Clemson) the lack of a consistent winner. Teams like Pitt, Wake, Louisville, FSU, Miami, and Tech have all followed up stellar years with real stinkers. An ACC/Big12 merger is an interesting idea, but I disagree with the assertion that the ACC is a sinking ship. A couple of years of consistency would go a long way to change the narrative.

We still have recent BCS teams and had two teams this year v big 12. The big 12 has nothing.

There is no doubt that when GT is good, the ACC is good. Focus on ourselves first, and now is the time to support like crazy.

The big issue in the ACC is too many schools in NC, VA and too many private small schools. Get those schools to drop football or be dropped. I would love to go back to 9 teams in football, or 12.

The reality is we don’t need as much money as big state schools that have three times the sports to pay for. Man up or enjoy volleyball.

 

[midatlantech]

In front of nobody? Are you kidding? Outside of Clemson, NCSU and VT, the ACC’s attendance is a disaster, and it shows on TV. The B12 on the other hand generally has sellouts across the board. ACC for the most part has larger stadiums with LESS attendance vs every B12 team. Don’t let the facts get in the way.

2024 FBS Attendance Trends | College Athletics News | D1 ticker

Data through Week 14. * indicates school's stadium is under renovation and capacity is not the same as 2023

www.d1ticker.com

Your 2nd false narrative about travel again is comical. ACC current road trips to the following:

BC, Syracuse, SMU, Stanford, Cal. And that doesn’t include Miami for most of the ACC not named FSU, GT, Clemson.

B12 has closer games against WVU, UCF, Cincy, etc.

On average, travel would be much worse. And I don’t remember bringing up attendance. It’s all about tv viewers anyway.

 

[USCJacket]

On average, travel would be much worse. And I don’t remember bringing up attendance. It’s all about tv viewers anyway.

Attendance doesn’t matter? OK. No one enjoys watching a game on TV with empty stands (outside of bowl games when nothing else is on).

Here’s the TV ratings by week. B12 Championship outdrew the ACC. Overall TV ratings were dominated by B1G, sec each week.

College Football TV Ratings

College football TV ratings for the 2024 regular season, bowls, College Football Playoff and National Championship.

www.sportsmediawatch.com

 

[Tampa Jacket]

The thing is, you’re missing the global point. The ACC has the worst attendance by school / stadium capacity.

Playing Wake, UVA, Pitt, BC, Duke (even though they have been good for the past decade overall), Stanford, Cal, etc are not driving attendance figures now. Heck, the Miami game had empty seats. So to say playing BYU, ASU, Arizona, Baylor, UCF, etc will drive down attendance is a bit of a stretch. I’m not just referring to GT home games either. As I referenced with the link showing attendance by school. The ACC has a real problem with attendance across the board (outside of Clemson, VT).

At least the B12 has schools who sell games out on a consistent basis as shown. The ACC struggles to sell games out even when teams are good (Miami). GT under CPJ, etc.

The ACC on a national level is all about Clemson, FSU, Miami and to an extent UNC. Those are the schools that garner the most attention. When GT, Pitt, UofL etc are good, it helps the ACC overall when Clemson, FSU, Miami are also good. When Clemson, FSU, Miami struggle (more so FSU, Miami) over the past 15 years, combined with the next tier (GT included struggling) the ACC gets the reputation that’s out there.

I do think the ACC is a sinking ship. And when you’re getting hammered OOC by the other leagues, combined with lack of attendance, and a bad revenue deal, it’s just a bad situation going forward.

Clemson, FSU will eventually find their way out. And then what happens to the ACC? That’s the problem. I’ve said this for a year, an ACC/B12 merger would be the best situation for both leagues. It creates a very strong #3.

Correct. Clemson and FSU will find their way out of the ACC.

 

[gtleviathan]

B12 Championship outdrew the ACC.

ACC competing with B1G. B12 competing with MAC. And even then B12 ahead by less than 1M.

ACC is the bigger draw.

 

[USCJacket]

ACC competing with B1G. B12 competing with MAC. And even then B12 ahead by less than 1M.

ACC is the bigger draw.

Umm OK. And if you look at Week 13 for example, the B12 had the #3 game with KU-Colorado at 6.22 million. ISU-Utah 1.91 million, BYU-ASU 1.31 million.

Top ACC games that weekend.

Wake Forest at Miami. 965k
NCSU at GT (Thurs) 897k

Those 2 games btw edged out the game on CW between Washington State-Oregon State 695k.

SMU at UVA, Pitt at UofL we’re beaten by Tuesday, Wednesday night MACtion.

ACC on the whole does not generate great TV numbers inside the league. And combine that with mediocre attendance numbers. OOC games vs the other 3 leagues will get plenty of fans watching. That has been proven.

 

[JJacket]

Correct. Clemson and FSU will find their way out of the ACC.

And yet, the school with the largest enrollment in the ACC?

 

[JJacket]

Umm OK. And if you look at Week 13 for example, the B12 had the #3 game with KU-Colorado at 6.22 million. ISU-Utah 1.91 million, BYU-ASU 1.31 million.

Top ACC games that weekend.

Wake Forest at Miami. 965k
NCSU at GT (Thurs) 897k

Those 2 games btw edged out the game on CW between Washington State-Oregon State 695k.

SMU at UVA, Pitt at UofL we’re beaten by Tuesday, Wednesday night MACtion.

ACC on the whole does not generate great TV numbers inside the league. And combine that with mediocre attendance numbers. OOC games vs the other 3 leagues will get plenty of fans watching. That has been proven.

Then start lobbying JBatt to move us to the Big12, motheröööööö

 

[gtGreg768b]

Umm OK. And if you look at Week 13 for example, the B12 had the #3 game with KU-Colorado at 6.22 million. ISU-Utah 1.91 million, BYU-ASU 1.31 million.

Top ACC games that weekend.

Wake Forest at Miami. 965k
NCSU at GT (Thurs) 897k

Those 2 games btw edged out the game on CW between Washington State-Oregon State 695k.

SMU at UVA, Pitt at UofL we’re beaten by Tuesday, Wednesday night MACtion.

ACC on the whole does not generate great TV numbers inside the league. And combine that with mediocre attendance numbers. OOC games vs the other 3 leagues will get plenty of fans watching. That has been proven.

It hasn't been proven at all. UVA and Pitt were craptastic this year. The games you mentioned aren't an apples to apples comparison, either. Deion with a Heisman frontrunner late in the year outdrew Wake at Miami? I'm am shocked. The ACC didn't have an inspiring year last year, it's true. That doesn't mean you need to blow the whole thing up.

 

[gtleviathan]

Umm OK. And if you look at Week 13 for example, the B12 had the #3 game with KU-Colorado at 6.22 million. ISU-Utah 1.91 million, BYU-ASU 1.31 million.

Top ACC games that weekend.

Wake Forest at Miami. 965k
NCSU at GT (Thurs) 897k

Those 2 games btw edged out the game on CW between Washington State-Oregon State 695k.

SMU at UVA, Pitt at UofL we’re beaten by Tuesday, Wednesday night MACtion.

ACC on the whole does not generate great TV numbers inside the league. And combine that with mediocre attendance numbers. OOC games vs the other 3 leagues will get plenty of fans watching. That has been proven.

The shell game being played here is incredible.

First, just stop comparing weekday games to Saturday games. Apples and oranges.

The Wake/Miami game was played at noon, competing with the top (by far) game that day in Ohio St/Indiana (over 9m viewers) along with a solid game in Ole Miss/Florida. The Colorado/KU game was at 3:30 competing with a solid Texas/Kentucky game and trash. (BYU/Arizona St? Wisconson/Nebraska on BTN? Please...) The only ACC game competing in that time slot was Pitt/Louisville on ESPN2, a channel which definitely depresses viewership.

You would have no argument from me that Colorado was the top draw in the B12, of course. Beyond that, I see nothing in week 13 that would indicate the B12 outdraws the ACC.

 

[USCJacket]

The shell game being played here is incredible.

First, just stop comparing weekday games to Saturday games. Apples and oranges.

The Wake/Miami game was played at noon, competing with the top (by far) game that day in Ohio St/Indiana (over 9m viewers) along with a solid game in Ole Miss/Florida. The Colorado/KU game was at 3:30 competing with a solid Texas/Kentucky game and trash. (BYU/Arizona St? Wisconson/Nebraska on BTN? Please...) The only ACC game competing in that time slot was Pitt/Louisville on ESPN2, a channel which definitely depresses viewership.

You would have no argument from me that Colorado was the top draw in the B12, of course. Beyond that, I see nothing in week 13 that would indicate the B12 outdraws the ACC.

OK. We’ll go down your path. Let’s set the variables straight since you have already said weeknight games, etc don’t count. So here goes.

-Week 0 ratings do not count.
-OOC games do not count.
-Weeknight games do not count.
-Conference games only.

Most watched game ACC/B12 by week.

Week 0:
Not enough games to count.

Week 1:
OOC game week.

Week 2:
Baylor-Utah - 2.08 M
UVA-Wake - 358 K (not many ACC games).

Week 3:
UCF-TCU - 1.03 M
No ACC conference games.

Week 4:
Baylor-Colorado - 3.64 M
NCSU-Clemson - 1.95 M

Week 5:
Colorado-UCF - 4.17 M
Okie State-KSU - 1.88 M (If you want to complain Colorado got the top watched game).
Stanford-Clemson - 1 M

Week 6:
Miami-Cal - 1.92 M
Houston-TCU - 1.51 M
For reference:
Clemson-FSU - 1.41 M

Week 7:
KSU-Colorado - 3.26 M
Arizona-BYU - 1.31 M (If again you want to point out Colorado).
Clemson-Wake - 1.3 M

Week 8:
Miami-UofL - 4.07 M
Colorado-Arizona - 2.02 M
Okie State-BYU - 1.66 M (again, next option post Colorado).
FSU-Duke - 1.26 M (For reference of the next ACC game).

Week 9:
Texas Tech-TCU - 2.36 M
Cincy-Colorado - 2.34 M
FSU-Miami - 1.53 M
BYU-UCF - 1.26 M (For point of reference).

Week 10:
Duke-Miami - 1.96 M
KSU-Houston - 1.51 M
UofL-Clemson - 1.43 M
Texas Tech-ISU - 1.24 M

Week 11:
Colorado-Texas Tech - 3.68 M
Miami-GT - 3.46 M
BYU-Utah - 2.07 M
Clemson-VT - 1.44 M

Week 12:
Utah-Colorado - 4 M
Clemson-Pitt - 1.85 M
Kansa-BYU - 1.75 M
Cincy-Iowa State - 1 M
BC-SMU - 965 K (next ACC game).

Week 13:
Colorado-Kansas - 6.22 M
Iowa State-Utah - 1.91 M
BYU-Arizona State - 1.31 M
Wake-Miami - 985 K (1st ACC game).

Week 14 (rivalry week)
Okie State-Colorado - 3.31 M
Miami-Syracuse - 2.11 M
KSU-Iowa State - 2.01 M
4 other B12 games before:
Cal-SMU - 228 K

 

[gtGreg768b]

OK. We’ll go down your path. Let’s set the variables straight since you have already said weeknight games, etc don’t count. So here goes.

-Week 0 ratings do not count.
-OOC games do not count.
-Weeknight games do not count.
-Conference games only.

Most watched game ACC/B12 by week.

Week 0:
Not enough games to count.

Week 1:
OOC game week.

Week 2:
Baylor-Utah - 2.08 M
UVA-Wake - 358 K (not many ACC games).

Week 3:
UCF-TCU - 1.03 M
No ACC conference games.

Week 4:
Baylor-Colorado - 3.64 M
NCSU-Clemson - 1.95 M

Week 5:
Colorado-UCF - 4.17 M
Okie State-KSU - 1.88 M (If you want to complain Colorado got the top watched game).
Stanford-Clemson - 1 M

Week 6:
Miami-Cal - 1.92 M
Houston-TCU - 1.51 M
For reference:
Clemson-FSU - 1.41 M

Week 7:
KSU-Colorado - 3.26 M
Arizona-BYU - 1.31 M (If again you want to point out Colorado).
Clemson-Wake - 1.3 M

Week 8:
Miami-UofL - 4.07 M
Colorado-Arizona - 2.02 M
Okie State-BYU - 1.66 M (again, next option post Colorado).
FSU-Duke - 1.26 M (For reference of the next ACC game).

Week 9:
Texas Tech-TCU - 2.36 M
Cincy-Colorado - 2.34 M
FSU-Miami - 1.53 M
BYU-UCF - 1.26 M (For point of reference).

Week 10:
Duke-Miami - 1.96 M
KSU-Houston - 1.51 M
UofL-Clemson - 1.43 M
Texas Tech-ISU - 1.24 M

Week 11:
Colorado-Texas Tech - 3.68 M
Miami-GT - 3.46 M
BYU-Utah - 2.07 M
Clemson-VT - 1.44 M

Week 12:
Utah-Colorado - 4 M
Clemson-Pitt - 1.85 M
Kansa-BYU - 1.75 M
Cincy-Iowa State - 1 M
BC-SMU - 965 K (next ACC game).

Week 13:
Colorado-Kansas - 6.22 M
Iowa State-Utah - 1.91 M
BYU-Arizona State - 1.31 M
Wake-Miami - 985 K (1st ACC game).

Week 14 (rivalry week)
Okie State-Colorado - 3.31 M
Miami-Syracuse - 2.11 M
KSU-Iowa State - 2.01 M
4 other B12 games before:
Cal-SMU - 228 K

This chart shows me that Deion brings the eyeballs. Also, and I can't stress this enough, the ACC had a down year last year, relatively speaking. Miami was our banner team until Tech knocked them out. I generally pull for the ACC, but I always pull for Tech first. If Miami had beaten us, the ACC is perceived as being better, maybe Cam Ward plays the whole bowl game, the ACC championship game is more compelling, yadda yadda yadda and you have less crap to whine about.

Also it's funny that you disqualified week 0 (where about everyone watched an ACC conference game), and threw out all of the ACC's biggest rivalries, which are mostly out of conference. You also didn't include any Notre Dame games.