Expansion

THWUGA said:
Agree with your first sentence, but woah not the second.

The ACC shouldn't take a single more member unless there is a material increase in the per-member payout (not just initially), which results in a NET increase after increased expenses for all sports thanks to a growing footprint. Period. After that, it shouldn't take a single member that adds a below-average brand. SEC is adds Texas and OU, B1G adds Oregon and UW, B12 adds Colorado and Utah... and this board wants to add SMU? App State?

This is the reality for the ACC's options because they just can't pull in meaningful schools, and our big programs want out entirely. If Cabrera and Batt can't see the writing on the wall right now, and aren't trying to do whatever they can to get us out of the ACC, well then they simply aren't the strategic leaders they say they are. I hope they are.
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You are adding Texas market, not just SMU. Likewise in Cal with Stanford and California.
 
WREKedinTexas said:
That is when I quit watching SEC and B1G football. Don't need it, don't want it, will not worry about it. Woke = BROKE, and this ESPN led assault on college sports is going to be one heck of a train wreck. We have yet to see the Securities and Exchange Commission, schools lawyering up and Congress get involved.
It's coming.
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The Securities and Exchange Commission has what to do with college football? What will Congress do? They can “make” a sport do something under the guise of looking at anti-trust, etc, but that’s about it.

ESPN is in the business of making money. They make a lot of it and Disney is far from going broke which is somehow a popular refrain (check their recent earnings release). ESPN rightly knows that an expanded college football would be a huge moneymaker. And they have the broadcast rights for it along with one of the top 2 conferences.

It’s a shame that conferences are restructuring and some schools will be left out in the cold in the new era of minor league NFL football (wearing school uniforms). Shame that GT is in a tough position of the program being down and very weak conference leadership.
 
WREKedinTexas said:
Every college that has a sport that gets revenue from the revenue earning sport is going to be affected.
Every community that suffers a financial loss due to the sudden dynamics change is going to seek their state for legal action to stop the impact.
ESPN is laying off reporters. You can't buy ESPN stock. It isn't on a stock exchange. Disney is the cash cow and they are going broke. People are cutting the cord.
Nobody has looked at the effect of student athletes having to fly 2 to 4 hours to play a 2 hour game, fly back and possibly attend class the next day.
Yes it is coming. Those idiots in suits that never played a down of anything in their life, that only want the MONEY, are going to find themselves on the losing end of a very big legal battle.
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Just wishful thinking. Fans and Congress have been worshipping these “idiots in suits” who have run a sham bowl system and now a sham 4 team playoff for decades. What is different now? Nothing except fans are now butt hurt that their “tradition” has been upset. As a GT fan I say to hell with the fabricated and totally bogus tradition they sold us while the little teams (1990 GT) got shafted because Notre Dame just had to play in the Orange Bowl. I absolutely love what is happening in college football. And just because my school was bamboozled by much smarter men in the state of North Carolina doesn’t mean I should hate the game. GT made its bed so now they get to lay in it. Hopefully, Cabrera is a good beggar.
 
WREKedinTexas said:
Every college that has a sport that gets revenue from the revenue earning sport is going to be affected.
Every community that suffers a financial loss due to the sudden dynamics change is going to seek their state for legal action to stop the impact.
ESPN is laying off reporters. You can't buy ESPN stock. It isn't on a stock exchange. Disney is the cash cow and they are going broke. People are cutting the cord.
Nobody has looked at the effect of student athletes having to fly 2 to 4 hours to play a 2 hour game, fly back and possibly attend class the next day.
Yes it is coming. Those idiots in suits that never played a down of anything in their life, that only want the MONEY, are going to find themselves on the losing end of a very big legal battle.
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While Disney / ESPN have acquired all the rights to the SEC going forward, you might want to check again on what network is forking out the most $$$ in the game that is conference expansion….It’s Fox. Not ESPN.

The logistics of travel on SA’s for hoops, baseball, etc are not going to be change all that much compared to now. Online classes + tudors will always be there.
 
Maybe we can add the N Korean market. I feel sure this is a joke, but it was posted on FB.
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midatlantech said:
You are adding Texas market, not just SMU. Likewise in Cal with Stanford and California.
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I would have gone after Baylor instead of SMU. Rice would be more in line with ACC academics but their athletics suck.
 
gt9589 said:
I would have gone after Baylor instead of SMU. Rice would be more in line with ACC academics but their athletics suck.
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I would agree, but that would bring them even more in line with the majority of ACC athletic programs. Unfortunately, even GA Tech these days.
 
Possible scenario #1:
1) FSU goes nuclear and the rest of the ACC follows suit. Lawsuits galore. The SEC cherry picks. The BIG10 takes what they want from the rest.
2) The BIG 12 picks from what's left. This is where Georgia Tech lands.
3) The Mountain West picks up the pieces and becomes the new defacto PAC12.
4) There will be losers. Wake and Boston College come to mind. BIG10 probably takes Syracuse. The homeless find homes eventually.
5) You end up with 3 "super conferences". SEC, BIG10, BIG12. The Mountain West and Sun Belt rise and get automatic CFP bids for their conference champion. Hopefully new conference names for all.

For some reason I feel like Georgia Tech ends up in the BIG 12 in this scenario. Not what I want but could be worse. It's just a scenario not necessarily a prediction.
 
If we go Big 12, which we won't, I may never watch a game again...not one football team worth watching out there now...ACC will be fine. BOOKMARKET!
 
Regarding the B1G adding USC/UCLA (California) "“The economics of that alone are rather large," Thompson said. “If you get 3 million people all of sudden get the Big Ten network as part of their expanded basic (cable package), that's $3 million a month. Compared to what they had been getting which is like $3 million a year.”"


How many Cable TV/Satellite/Streaming package subs are there in California? Texas?

How much revenue (split 50% with ESPN) will adding California and Texas to the ACC Network's in-state footprint bring in?
$100mil?
$200mil?

The $7Billion B1G contract with NBC/Fox/CBS competes against the ESPN inventory of SEC and ACC games. If the B1G poaches F$U and Clemson, ESPN's ratings could decline. Is it in ESPN's interest to upgrade the ACC payments to keep Clemson and F$U from leaving?

We live in interesting times.
 
Beeski said:
Regarding the B1G adding USC/UCLA (California) "“The economics of that alone are rather large," Thompson said. “If you get 3 million people all of sudden get the Big Ten network as part of their expanded basic (cable package), that's $3 million a month. Compared to what they had been getting which is like $3 million a year.”"


How many Cable TV/Satellite/Streaming package subs are there in California? Texas?

How much revenue (split 50% with ESPN) will adding California and Texas to the ACC Network's in-state footprint bring in?
$100mil?
$200mil?

The $7Billion B1G contract with NBC/Fox/CBS competes against the ESPN inventory of SEC and ACC games. If the B1G poaches F$U and Clemson, ESPN's ratings could decline. Is it in ESPN's interest to upgrade the ACC payments to keep Clemson and F$U from leaving?

We live in interesting times.
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This is the bluff that FSU/Clemson are running. They know ESPN doesn't want the ACC to implode and lose FSU/Clemson to a rival while losing money themselves on the crippled ACC after they leave. FSU is trying to force ESPN to do something. I don't think FSU wants anything to do with the BIG10. They want to be in the SEC. They would be happy to stay in the ACC if the money magically appears which almost certainly isn't going to happen.

ESPN *could* do something about all of this but at this point I think they are content to watch it all turn into the mess it is becoming and call FSU's bluff. I think this is a mistake.

High stakes poker.
 
Buzzilla said:
Wife beaters, excessive gold jewelry and chains, and vicariously sourced arrogance way beyond achievement is an archetype that sadly will never go extinct. But "duh U" might after Hurricane Ruiz is done.

RIP Miami

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Many Hurricane fans are essentially white trash who sold their overvalued property in New York and New Jersey to live the "good life" in less expensive Florida and are just looking for something - anything - to rally around :facepalm: .

Sorry if I've offended any such transplants, but that's simply just the way it is :dunno: .
 
WracerX said:
Taking the 23M/school offer after losing the LA schools, that means the LA schools are worth about 130M.
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Unless I'm missing something, they went from 14 * $30 = 420 to 12 * $23 = 276 --> $144m per year or $72m per school per year value.

Buzzilla said:
Very interesting.

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Assuming an FSU is worth about the same as USCw, which coincidentally is the average B1G payout and probably what Fox offers. Using this guy's math it is basically break-even Total value of $72m implies away game value of $36m of value. The ACC pays out $37m this year.
 
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