Expansion

smokey_wasp said:
ACC isn't gonna get what the SEC and B1G are getting. They could tear up the GOR today and start over and it still isn't happening. They'd be lucky to get as good a deal as they have now. Adding a little extra revenue certainly isn't going to hurt anybody.

My guess is they are going to convince the UNC president to go along more because of academics and Olympic Sports than money, though.
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Soccer coach at UNC isn't happy about it. :lol2:

 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
Soccer coach at UNC isn't happy about it. :lol2:

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That's it. Just fold. Soccer is such a manly sport.

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Buzzilla said:
Not moving goalposts. Not afraid to take an "L". I'm wrong often enough and have no problem owning it. It's how we grow and learn.

But for the sake of clarification, I said, "Given what wasn't paid for the PAC-12 and what isn't begin paid for C-USA, it seems perhaps a reality check is hitting the market place."

You, in turn, selectively chose to highlight the part you thought would make a nice zinger. So for the sake of completeness, I thought you might want to respond to what I said in full rather than selectively responding in the most sardonic and smug fashion.

I was making an observation and pointing out that C-USA is still making very little per team (even if it is double their previous haul) and the PAC-12 was left to die. Given these developments, maybe some rationality is returning to the business of sports broadcast rights. Context matters.
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As a buddy of mine used to say, "Nothing, piled high, is still nothing."

The TV muckety-mucks will gladly "double" the CUSA because it's still so little. Meanwhile, it appears they've hit the top of the S-curve on the current TV model. If so, unless there is a sustaining innovation on the current model (extending the S-curve upward), the only way forward is down (in terms of dollars/program). Otherwise, there may be an opportunity to a create a disruptive innovation that offers another S-curve altogether.

FWIW, this is my bet. What might that disruptive innovation be? I'd bank on an elite conference of professional college football programs that cuts away the drags on profitability and maximizes per-team payouts. The rest of college football will go back toward the former status quo. If so, it cannot happen too soon for me.
 
WracerX said:
FSU doesn’t want to join the SEC because it will make them worse. And they wouldn’t pay a $120M buyout fee if the results were neutral.

Joining the SEC would make FSU better. And a better FSU weakens Auburn, UF, uga, and AL pretty much in that order. Maybe flip AL and uga.
But maybe adding FSU raises all boats. That is what the SEC would have to decide.
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Trust me, the FSU people I talk with would leap at the chance to join the SEC
 
jacket0224 said:
I guess it would be pretty fun competing to be in the top half of the conference and a Gator Bowl birth every year.
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This is the same stupid logic I see posted on here time and again about a good player when they pick Alabama or UGA over us. "Oh, I guess they want to ride the bench there rather than be a star here." It's the attitude of a loser to want to be a biggest midget and it says way more about our place in CFB than their's (and not in a good way). It's also consistently wrong. Gibbs improved his draft stock going to Alabama. Mizzou is better now than before they joined the SEC. FSU will be better off in the SEC than they are in this dying wretch of a conference surrounded by fanbases chock-full of out of touch losers who think it's still 1990.
 
BainbridgeJacket said:
This is the same stupid logic I see posted on here time and again about a good player when they pick Alabama or UGA over us. "Oh, I guess they want to ride the bench there rather than be a star here." It's the attitude of a loser to want to be a biggest midget and it says way more about our place in CFB than their's (and not in a good way). It's also consistently wrong. Gibbs improved his draft stock going to Alabama. Mizzou is better now than before they joined the SEC. FSU will be better off in the SEC than they are in this dying wretch of a conference surrounded by fanbases chock-full of out of touch losers who think it's still 1990.
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It's all about the money. E$PN helped create this situation. They created an unsustainable imbalance that will severely handicap the programs falling behind in revenue as time goes by and makes the gap wider by the year. FSU would be fine competing in the ACC if the payouts were the same as the SEC.
 
jacket0224 said:
I guess it would be pretty fun competing to be in the top half of the conference and a Gator Bowl birth every year.
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What those people are interested in are regional rivalries, packed stadiums, and big dollars. If they can’t compete with the better SEC teams, it is their own fault
 
theathletic.com

ACC seriously considering adding Stanford, Cal, SMU

A group of ACC presidents met Wednesday morning to discuss finances, one of the sources said.
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Two sources said a decision could be made by the weekend.

The money the new teams bring in would be distributed based on performance. Seems like it could be bad timing for us since we are at a low point competitively.
 
aeromech said:
That is probably only applicable if the SEC raids the ACC like the ACC raided the Big East. Even if they force the UF vote, it may not be enough to get them in. If the SEC went after Clemson & FSU, I could see AUB, Bama, MSU, & UGA all voting 'No'; even if state legislatures force UF and USC to support it. FSU and Clemson really don't bring much to the SEC except additional local competition.
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This is a false narrative. Adding FSU and Clemson brings even more brands to the table with large stadiums and TV viewership. Clemson is the brand in South Carolina, plain and simple. FSU dominates the western side of FL through the panhandle into south AL, GA. The value add is generating even more $$$ for the SEC plain and simple. You’re in your own world if you don’t believe that.

And adding both to the SEC from a recruiting standpoint won’t make an impact either. Clemson, FSU already compete for a beat UGA, Alabama, LSU, etc for recruits. UGA, Bama, etc will still get 75% of who they want just like they do now. Changing the logo on the field from ACC to SEC is irrelevant in the case of recruiting. The Clemson and FSU brands are what sell the recruits.
 
justafan said:
theathletic.com

ACC seriously considering adding Stanford, Cal, SMU

A group of ACC presidents met Wednesday morning to discuss finances, one of the sources said.
theathletic.com theathletic.com

Two sources said a decision could be made by the weekend.

The money the new teams bring in would be distributed based on performance. Seems like it could be bad timing for us since we are at a low point competitively.
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So the ACC could be the All Capitalist Conference where you get paid by performance. Similar to NIL money. The better the player, the more the NIL cash.

The SEC will be the South East Communists where Vandy gets paid as much as Alabama, UGAg, or Texas.
 
jacket0224 said:
I guess it would be pretty fun competing to be in the top half of the conference and a Gator Bowl birth every year.
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You do understand that when the CFP expands next year that more than likely 9-10 teams could be a combo of the SEC / B1G right? When the CFP is officially modified to remove the conference champion auto bid piece of the puzzle with the P12 dis is the green light FSU needs to continue its quest to go to the SEC.
 
USCJacket said:
You do understand that when the CFP expands next year that more than likely 9-10 teams could be a combo of the SEC / B1G right? When the CFP is officially modified to remove the conference champion auto bid piece of the puzzle with the P12 dis is the green light FSU needs to continue its quest to go to the SEC.
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I always thought A&M would have played for the national championship the year they bolted for the SEC if they had stayed in the BIG12 that year. They beat Bama that year with Manziel and likely would have run the table in the Big12. But that weekly schedule was tough in the SEC West. Since then, they haven't really done much other than one year where they barely missed a BCS invite (I think it was the year Clemson beat them in College Station in the first game of the year). Maybe this year will be different? I'm not sure how being in the SEC has helped them other than the money. Did they even make a bowl last year?

Mizzou did great in the SEC when they joined for 2-3 years. Since then, not so much.

UT and Oklahoma will be middle of the road SEC teams similar to A&M. UT has a culture problem that being in the SEC won't fix. Oklahoma has a coaching problem.

I could see the ACC getting 1, maybe 2 teams in the CFP based on on-field results. I don't see them going to a SEC vs BIG only CFP.
 
H-town said:
I always thought A&M would have played for the national championship the year they bolted for the SEC if they had stayed in the BIG12 that year. They beat Bama that year with Manziel and likely would have run the table in the Big12. But that weekly schedule was tough in the SEC West. Since then, they haven't really done much other than one year where they barely missed a BCS invite (I think it was the year Clemson beat them in College Station in the first game of the year). Maybe this year will be different? I'm not sure how being in the SEC has helped them other than the money. Did they even make a bowl last year?

Mizzou did great in the SEC when they joined for 2-3 years. Since then, not so much.

UT and Oklahoma will be middle of the road SEC teams similar to A&M. UT has a culture problem that being in the SEC won't fix. Oklahoma has a coaching problem.

I could see the ACC getting 1, maybe 2 teams in the CFP based on on-field results. I don't see them going to a SEC vs BIG only CFP.
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Yea, Mizzou is Vandy with ööööty academics
 
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