FTRS: Why we're struggling (and where the '19 class is now)

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Georgia Tech Football: Recruiting Classes Revisited - 2019

There’s no sugarcoating this one; this class has been decimated, and Georgia Tech continues to pay for it
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Pretty interesting write-up, but tough to hear with the preseason excitement. TLDR:

This class had 22 members. [The number still playing is] 6 players. Out of 22. Losing half of a transition class in this age of college football would be normal. Losing 73% of the class thwarts program building to an exceptional degree. Beyond that, as you will see below when we go through the individual members of the class, there is not a single member of this recruiting class expected to start for Georgia Tech in 2022.
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It is a bad article. At least 2 likely starters out of that group and a few more will contribute a lot.
 
Not reading it.

FTRS has been suicidal for a few years now. There comes a time where winners have to tune out the losers and go win. There is a time to consider the opinion of others then there is a time to tune everybody out, pick up your weapon and march. That doofus had the entire offseason to take a dump on our program and he drops this 2 weeks before our opener? G T F O.
 
I don't know why I bother reading articles from that site, but here we go:

  1. Could've made the article just the observation that only 6/22 are still here and none are clear starters and, if they are starting, they're grading out poorly.
  2. Massey composite ranking is a measure of team performance, not of player talent. The first chart is just saying that the team has lost a lot of games. Everyone knows we've lost games and the chart doesn't show recruiting class underperformance as the article claims. A meaningful comparison would be to compare how our retention (in both quantity and quality) would fare relative to the rest of FBS.
  3. I really don't give a öööö what this guy arbitrarily rates our players on a scale of 75-100 and to compare his entirely subjective rating against the completely unrelated metric from 247 is.... so dumb.
  4. How many of the 22 were committed prior to CGC hire, how many of CGC's recruits remain and how have they fared relatively speaking? Did any of the OL we dropped late in the cycle ever go on to perform at any FBS school or FCS school even?
  5. Now do 2020 and 2021
  6. There's gotta be some metric that accounts for transfers in and out. Do we get an adjusted class ranking every year where the players transferring in that were originally in that class get partially credited to us and deducted for the guys leaving? It just seems disingenuous to talk about 6/22 and yet our composite talent ranking for the team continues to improve.
 
BainbridgeJacket said:
I don't know why I bother reading articles from that site, but here we go:

  1. There's gotta be some metric that accounts for transfers in and out. Do we get an adjusted class ranking every year where the players transferring in that were originally in that class get partially credited to us and deducted for the guys leaving? It just seems disingenuous to talk about 6/22 and yet our composite talent ranking for the team continues to improve.
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The composite talent ranking improvement is meaningless if the number of wins remains stuck at 3.
 
BrentwoodJacket said:
The composite talent ranking improvement is meaningless if the number of wins remains stuck at 3.
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If you're doing an article about recruiting and talent, I'd argue that it's the only metric that matters. If you're doing an article about number of wins, then clearly nothing matters. I, for one, am interested about the talent in the program because the whole logic of a Geoff type hire was that, if we didn't win, then we would at least turnover the roster and set the next coach up for success. We've got a million threads about 333, let's have one about roster.
 
If the guys we sent to storm the beaches at Normandy thought like this, we’d all be speaking German.

Let’s all discuss the many ways we suck as we prepare for a top 5 team this time next week. An opportunity to bury 5 years of pain - we can reverse our fortunes in 3 hours. But no, let’s dwell on, ponder, contemplate and pontificate on the many ways we suck.

There are days when I really hate this place.
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
Griffin, Brown, Lockhart, Huff, Burnett, Devaney, and Ezzard are all post CGC hire and none with the program.

Also, to your broader point, we’re a developmental program, even when our recruiting sucks, which is often.
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Doesn’t matter. He was hired one month before signing day. It’s ridiculous to think he actually had time to recruit anyone. All he did was keep most of the class intact. We can fault him for not retaining the 20 and 21 classes, but it’s stupid to put any weight into the 19 class.
 
GTWannaBee said:
Doesn’t matter. He was hired one month before signing day. It’s ridiculous to think he actually had time to recruit anyone. All he did was keep most of the class intact. We can fault him for not retaining the 20 and 21 classes, but it’s stupid to put any weight into the 19 class.
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9/21 players signed in 2019 class were his guys, he obviously did have some time to recruit.
 
OmnipoTech said:
9/21 players signed in 2019 class were his guys, he obviously did have some time to recruit.
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By the time he got started, most of the studs were already locked and loaded somewhere else and he was mostly (with some exceptions) picking over the hideous leavins. Do you really think that if he started a year earlier, those would have still been the same 21 that he signed? He got the best that he could, and three years later he is now able to get better, so those dudes are gone.

At least that's the way folks gonna spin it.
 
OmnipoTech said:
9/21 players signed in 2019 class were his guys, he obviously did have some time to recruit.
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Collins was hired on Dec. 7th, 2018. Early signing day for the 2019 class was Dec. 19th. He had 12 days to finalize his staff and try to recruit guys that were signing early. He then had about a month and a half to recruit anybody else that hadn't already signed somewhere (Feb 6th). He had a few targets that he landed but the rest mostly just filled the class at spots we needed. Here are all of the guys from that 2019 class that transferred or are no longer on the team:


Kendall Young - late "project" take by CGC just filling spots; went to JUCO
Jamious Griffin - had planned to stay but is getting weird advice from his circle, and ended up at Oregon State.
Mike Lockhart - got promised NIL and a spot at Auburn, burned bridges when entered the transfer portal - Auburn backed out, he ended up at WV.
Nazir Burnett - late "project" take, transferred back home to Temple
Cornelius Evans - another late "project" take to fill spots; ended up at JUCO
Ahmarean Brown - transferred to "greener pastures" of the $EC and has done very little at USCe
Dylan Deveney - was surpassed by Dylan Leonard as the #1 TE, transferred back home (north) to Pitt
Jordan Huff - left football for some personal issues going on, entered portal later and ended up at ECU
Wesley Walker - solid DB, transferred closer to home to UT searching for a degree in physical therapy (may have graduated from GT)
Jamal Camp - never saw any game action as OL or DL at GT, transferred to Citadel (may have graduated from GT)
Chico Bennett - played well as a true freshman, got injured, transferred to UVA and got injured again.
Jordan Yates - solid backup, graduated and transferred to Sam Houston to get more playing time
Tony Amerson - never saw any game time at GT as a RB, graduated and transferred to Tennessee State
Zach Owens - never saw any game time at GT, may have graduated, no longer playing football anywhere
Devin Ellison - never saw any game time at GT, may have graduated, no longer playing football anywhere
Jeremiah Smith - never saw any game time at GT, may have graduated, no longer playing football anywhere

Only about 5-6 of those guys would still be contributing at GT. Here are the remaining c/o 2019 guys:

Sylvain Yondjouen - has already had significant playing time, will be in rotation at DE
Kenan Johnson - has played in 23 games for GT, will be in rotation at DB
Kalani Norris - had significant playing time in 2021, will be in rotation at WR
D'Quan Douse - had significant playing time in 2020-21, will likely be a starter at DT
Demetrius Knight - has played many roles at GT, will be depth at LB and contribute on special teams
Dylan Leonard - has had significant playing time at TE, will likely be starter at TE


Now, since we are talking about class of 2019, here are the transfers we've gotten in over the last 3 years that are also part of class of 2019:

Kevin Harris - transfer from Alabama that is pushing for starting spot at rush end, will be in rotation.
Kenyatta Watson - transfer from Texas that will push for starting spot at CB, will be in rotatin
Christian Burkhalter - transfer from UCLA that will provide depth at DE
Taisun Phommachanh - transfer from Clemson that will provide depth at QB
KJ Wallace - transfer from Notre Dame that will provide depth and likely be in rotation at DB
Pierce Quick - transfer from Alabama that will start on OL
Luke Benson - transfer from Syracuse that will start and/or be in rotation at TE

So that makes at least 11 players or so from the 2019 class expected to contribute to the team this year. That article is trash.
 
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