FTRS: Why we're struggling (and where the '19 class is now)

Did he recuit them in the 2019 class?

No idea, but they are in the 2019 class year, and contributing, which means he got them here to replace outgoing players. I think that is relevant to the point that the article is painting an artificially negative picture.
 
I agree that we're 0-0 and one week away from a big time matchup with a top 5 ranked team. As was stated earlier in the thread, the timing of this article is the sign of a horseshit, BETA, loser of a "fan". If you can't feel a little team hype before even the first game, then why do we even do this? There are not enough big cries on all of Stingtalk for the whiny articles they put out over there.

The article is actually part of a series where they review prior recruiting classes for several years and who is going to contribute this year. It's a yearly series and most years it's a hype machine not a big cry generator. I grabbed the one snippet out of one article of the series because it seemed especially pertinent to the outlook for this year.

It seems pretty dang beta to complain about things you didn't read because they don't tell you what you want to hear.
 
1. The Varsity has terrible food that gives you the runs
2. Their analytics lack a fundamental understanding of what they're analyzing and the result is that they throw a lot of numbers at you that aren't relevant and misrepresent the importance to support an opinion disguising it as fact. It's embarrassing especially considering that Robert Binion is a data analyst. I have data analysts who work for me and my best advice when I see bad analytics is to understand the engineering side of what you're analyzing, then revisit and try again. I've had people apologize, get better, then get promoted and thank me. I've also had to fire some. I would fire Mr. Binion. https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertebinion

I think youve mentioned it before, but I'm curious about where the binion index fails. I'm not a data analyst so I'm a bit out of my element on it. But generally speaking I agree that not all of their data or analytics is of the same quality. But I find a lot of it more interesting than the endless fluff & coachspeak articles that tend to dominate.
 
I think youve mentioned it before, but I'm curious about where the binion index fails. I'm not a data analyst so I'm a bit out of my element on it. But generally speaking I agree that not all of their data or analytics is of the same quality. But I find a lot of it more interesting than the endless fluff & coachspeak articles that tend to dominate.
This article fails for the following reasons. I'd have to go back to previous GTFLETCH posts to find my previous critiques.
I don't know why I bother reading articles from that site, but here we go:



Could've made the article just the observation that only 6/22 are still here and none are clear starters and, if they are starting, they're grading out poorly.
Massey composite ranking is a measure of team performance, not of player talent. The first chart is just saying that the team has lost a lot of games. Everyone knows we've lost games and the chart doesn't show recruiting class underperformance as the article claims. A meaningful comparison would be to compare how our retention (in both quantity and quality) would fare relative to the rest of FBS.
I really don't give a öööö what this guy arbitrarily rates our players on a scale of 75-100 and to compare his entirely subjective rating against the completely unrelated metric from 247 is.... so dumb.
How many of the 22 were committed prior to CGC hire, how many of CGC's recruits remain and how have they fared relatively speaking? Did any of the OL we dropped late in the cycle ever go on to perform at any FBS school or FCS school even?
Now do 2020 and 2021
There's gotta be some metric that accounts for transfers in and out. Do we get an adjusted class ranking every year where the players transferring in that were originally in that class get partially credited to us and deducted for the guys leaving? It just seems disingenuous to talk about 6/22 and yet our composite talent ranking for the team continues to improve.
 
The football players and their families realize what we as fans see objectively when our offense can’t call in a play, get lined up and snap the ball without a false start or delay of game, or when our defensive players are completely out of position to make plays multiple times every game. There is no player development by the coaches. So they leave.
 
This article fails for the following reasons. I'd have to go back to previous GTFLETCH posts to find my previous critiques.

I saw that earlier and thought a lot was fair as a lot of the article is rather subjective. I thought you had some additional analysis particularly around the binion index.
 
The Varsity mkes my stomach hurt, too.

With hunger pangs. Best onion rings on planet Earth, bar none. I'm craving some right now so bad I'd give my left nut for some . . . if I still had it.



Pussy. How did you make it through Tech? Varsity food is terrific AND it toughens you up and builds character! Your stomach acclimates to it and then all that's left is the smile on your face from all that deliciousness. I haven't had the runs in 40 years since I left Tech.

When I started at Tech the motto that they used to print on the cups and boxes was "No Food Over 12 Hours Old." Sadly, it became all but impossible to meet a tough standard like that. So they changed it to "A Fun Place to Eat." And it still is that. I NEVER go to Et-Lanta without getting ring one, a chili cheesesteak, and a jumbo FO. God bless the V!
My parents and grandparents came up for every home game for four years while I was in the band. They wanted to eat at the V on every trip either before or after the game. The V and then sitting in the sun in a wool uniform made for some interesting days.
 
What the hell are you talking about? That doesn't typically happen anywhere, and especially with linemen. You have to make inroads with those kids early, and anybody he was recruiting at the time wasn't going to leave a factory offer and go to GT, and any other lower kids he likely had no relationship with yet so that makes it even harder. Most kids stay committed to a school anyway, not follow a coach. And as far as transfers go, you do remember that back then you couldn't transfer and immediately play somewhere, right? We did get a grad transfer from Vandy that year.
So you believe Key had absolutely no network, no relationship with any HS coaches in the southeast or anywhere else for that matter that knew of any players on the fence or wavering? No aspiring TEs that had the body of an OL but were hanging onto the dream of playing TE but would have jumped at a GT scholarship as a Tackle or elsewhere on our OL? You think it's completely impossible for us to have "stolen" an OL recruit from Citadel or directional Illinois or the likes of Dook or Rutgers or UConn or schools of that ilk? There were no JUCOs, injured OL Seniors we could have taken a flier on, nobody Key knew of that wanted to transfer or anybody he associated with? You believe that every single OL 3 star and up was committed already, all very firmly solid in their commitments and all were unwilling to even hear Key out to come in an be able to immediately compete to play despite we had a HS OL with tiny, weak players only capable of flopping and diving at knees and playing time was theirs for the taking? Maybe none of these guys would/could have started in 2019, but they'd have a year in the system with practice reps and strength/conditioning & maybe ready to go in 2020. None of any of that was possible except for 1 guy you cited above? This was the guy Key to Alabama's OL prowess, highly respected in college football circles but nobody's flocking to him not even under the radar diamonds in the rough, walk-ons that might have been worth a shot, nothing, zippo. The OL landscape late in the 2019 recruiting cycle was as empty as our endzone the last 2 games of last year. None of it Key could have done anything about, all $40k/month of him. Nope. I get it.
 
I saw that earlier and thought a lot was fair as a lot of the article is rather subjective. I thought you had some additional analysis particularly around the binion index.
What binion index? That term isn't mentioned in the article. That being said, a Jr data analyst youth pastor naming it after himself... I'm going out on a limb and saying that's a pretty good indicator that it's just him assigning a random number based on subjective opinion alone.
 
So you believe Key had absolutely no network, no relationship with any HS coaches in the southeast or anywhere else for that matter that knew of any players on the fence or wavering? No aspiring TEs that had the body of an OL but were hanging onto the dream of playing TE but would have jumped at a GT scholarship as a Tackle or elsewhere on our OL? You think it's completely impossible for us to have "stolen" an OL recruit from Citadel or directional Illinois or the likes of Dook or Rutgers or UConn or schools of that ilk? There were no JUCOs, injured OL Seniors we could have taken a flier on, nobody Key knew of that wanted to transfer or anybody he associated with? You believe that every single OL 3 star and up was committed already, all very firmly solid in their commitments and all were unwilling to even hear Key out to come in an be able to immediately compete to play despite we had a HS OL with tiny, weak players only capable of flopping and diving at knees and playing time was theirs for the taking? Maybe none of these guys would/could have started in 2019, but they'd have a year in the system with practice reps and strength/conditioning & maybe ready to go in 2020. None of any of that was possible except for 1 guy you cited above? This was the guy Key to Alabama's OL prowess, highly respected in college football circles but nobody's flocking to him not even under the radar diamonds in the rough, walk-ons that might have been worth a shot, nothing, zippo. The OL landscape late in the 2019 recruiting cycle was as empty as our endzone the last 2 games of last year. None of it Key could have done anything about, all $40k/month of him. Nope. I get it.
Key was not hired until January 10th, 2019. He signed 3 of the top 10 OT's in December (one being Pierce Quick) and a top 11 guard at Bama. So up until and after the first signing period he was recruiting guys to Alabama. So he had 27 days to find and get OL to GT. Yes like you said he could've taken some flyers on some folks, but GT is not in the business of pulling guys scholarships or running folks off so he wasn't going to take a player that he could only steal from Citadel, Duke, or UConn as you say. You also have to factor in getting these kids into GT. You can't just recruit anybody from anywhere. You mention JUCO, probably 90% of JUCO kids won't qualify to transfer to GT. You again mentioned regular transfers, but again did you forget that folks couldn't just transfer and play right away back then? We also already had offers out to two lower tier guys that would be considered projects that we were going to honor. He couldn't risk signing more and have a class full of projects eating up scholarships that needed to also be used in other areas. OL was not the only position of need at the time. He also didn't know that our best OL would transfer out to Texas. Key probably did have folks blowing him up wanting to come to GT but like I said they had to be worth it and those kids were already signed, committed, or had strong relationships elsewhere.
 
No idea, but they are in the 2019 class year, and contributing, which means he got them here to replace outgoing players. I think that is relevant to the point that the article is painting an artificially negative picture.
If 3/3/3 100-0 and 6 consecutive losses is an "artificially negative picture" ,
then i'd hate to see what a " real negative picture" looks like.
 

Pretty interesting write-up, but tough to hear with the preseason excitement. TLDR:

What is the excitement based on though? Forum posts? Sometimes I wonder if the complete loss of a hope in this dark era of GT football has produced mirages of light that we think exist but in fact, does not. This season will tell.

Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth - Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
 
So you believe Key had absolutely no network, no relationship with any HS coaches in the southeast or anywhere else for that matter that knew of any players on the fence or wavering? No aspiring TEs that had the body of an OL but were hanging onto the dream of playing TE but would have jumped at a GT scholarship as a Tackle or elsewhere on our OL? You think it's completely impossible for us to have "stolen" an OL recruit from Citadel or directional Illinois or the likes of Dook or Rutgers or UConn or schools of that ilk? There were no JUCOs, injured OL Seniors we could have taken a flier on, nobody Key knew of that wanted to transfer or anybody he associated with? You believe that every single OL 3 star and up was committed already, all very firmly solid in their commitments and all were unwilling to even hear Key out to come in an be able to immediately compete to play despite we had a HS OL with tiny, weak players only capable of flopping and diving at knees and playing time was theirs for the taking? Maybe none of these guys would/could have started in 2019, but they'd have a year in the system with practice reps and strength/conditioning & maybe ready to go in 2020. None of any of that was possible except for 1 guy you cited above? This was the guy Key to Alabama's OL prowess, highly respected in college football circles but nobody's flocking to him not even under the radar diamonds in the rough, walk-ons that might have been worth a shot, nothing, zippo. The OL landscape late in the 2019 recruiting cycle was as empty as our endzone the last 2 games of last year. None of it Key could have done anything about, all $40k/month of him. Nope. I get it.
He probably did come in with a great list of stop gap, then he was told they needed to get accepted by The Hill and he was all...

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If 3/3/3 100-0 and 6 consecutive losses is an "artificially negative picture" ,
then i'd hate to see what a " real negative picture" looks like.

Dude, I'm not satisfied with our wins and losses. Noone could possibly be. I just think that the article not looking at the transfers in is either a pretty obvious oversight, or an intentional omission because they are trying to paint a bleak picture right before we start the season.
 
What is the excitement based on though? Forum posts? Sometimes I wonder if the complete loss of a hope in this dark era of GT football has produced mirages of light that we think exist but in fact, does not. This season will tell.

Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth - Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

New coaches that seem better than the old ones
 
To anyone who still denies the lack of talent Collins started with, here is the reality.

2016 - #67
2017 - #48
2018 - #53

Yep. Those are some elite classes to start with. Looking at the OL only:

2016 - 2
2017 - 4
2018 - 2

So 8 total OL’s (5 2*’s) recruited to play option only football. Not exactly a stocked cupboard.

Starting with the 2021 season, this is all Key & Collins.
 
To anyone who still denies the lack of talent Collins started with, here is the reality.

2016 - #67
2017 - #48
2018 - #53

Yep. Those are some elite classes to start with. Looking at the OL only:

2016 - 2
2017 - 4
2018 - 2

So 8 total OL’s (5 2*’s) recruited to play option only football. Not exactly a stocked cupboard.

Starting with the 2021 season, this is all Key & Collins.

Yeah, we all know . . . greatest rebuilding job in world history since the fall of the Roman Empire.

But, hey, do you happen to recall where Collins' 2021 recruiting class was ranked? Asking for a friend. TIA!
 
Yeah, we all know . . . greatest rebuilding job in world history since the fall of the Roman Empire.

But, hey, do you happen to recall where Collins' 2021 recruiting class was ranked? Asking for a friend. TIA!
Yeah we all know, a bunch of G5 / FCS level talent along the LOS to start a new offensive system with isn’t an excuse. According to people like you, that elite talent should have been plug & play. Do we even need to go over the WR / TE talent? I’ll give you a hint, it wasn’t pretty.

Had the Portal been available starting in 2019, I don’t think a 4th 3 win season would be in the works. I’m definitely excited to see what successful P5 coach is going to leave to come to GT.
 
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