GT and Vandy - Comparison

Akinji07 said:
Currently yes. I dont know why people are yelling at you and calling you a retard for asking a legitimate question. Recruiting rankings for the last 5 years:

Vandy: 47, 59, 58, 42, 46- 50.4 avg
Tech: 39, 67, 41, 53, 54- 50.8 avg

So yes.
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Omg. We are on the same level as Vandy.

Geoff, extract us from this.
 
We are pretty similar recently, but I don't think you'll find a ten year period during which we weren't meaningfully better than Vandy overall.
 
Akinji07 said:
Currently yes. I dont know why people are yelling at you and calling you a retard for asking a legitimate question. Recruiting rankings for the last 5 years:

Vandy: 47, 59, 58, 42, 46- 50.4 avg
Tech: 39, 67, 41, 53, 54- 50.8 avg

So yes.
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No. The OP listed very specific criteria as it relates to our program versus theirs. Don't give him a pass for what it is still a dumb question

Our recruiting rankings are unacceptable because they are on par with Vandy's right now which is a reflection of our coaching staff and the offense we choose to run, not the relative strength of two programs.
 
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Athletic Supporter said:
I'm sitting here somewhat impressed with 6-6 Vanderbilt's performance against Baylor. Both Vandy and GT have strong academic reputations, nationally, I'd say. Do you think our football programs are similarly comparable in terms of talent, resources, fan support and attractiveness to potential recruits?
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Terms of talent: At present, yes; hopefully the new coaching staff will completely change that.
Resources: No, we have a better Athletic Association; but less conference money/support. I think we both suffer from apathetic academia.
Fan Support: No, we typically have better attendance/support
Attractiveness to potential recruits: We should be more attractive because we have most of what they have plus a better history.
 
Ga HS FB is light yrs ahead of crappy Tenn HS FB so GT should be considerably better than Vandy, always

GT's worst years should be 8-4 seasons, GT's best seasons should be 10-11 wins, with the occasional trip to the CFP with 12 wins or more every 5 or so yrs

I'm gonna say it and piss people off but I don't care, GT FB should average 9 wins per season

I don't give a sh*t about the last 50 yrs, I'm looking at GT FB in 2019 & beyond

The reason is simple, GA HS FB is among the best in the Country (4th & rising), the ATL MSA (metropolitan statistical area, 6.8 million residents) has Top4 HS FB among urban areas, and rising, and to top all that off, the Academic Qualifiers are here in GA

Stanford puts more effort into recruiting GA HS FB than they do Texas HS FB, think about that for a minute, even Stanford knows that GA HS FB produces those players that combine Academics & Athletics

With that kind of raw material that close to GT's campus, it is our job as Fans and the GTAA's job to find a way to "git 'er done" and not come up with bullcrap narrow curriculum excuses, and STEM major excuses

BTW, that STEM major excuse is weak as hell anyway, that so-called STEM core that folks have been using as their main excuse is a load of bunk, our FB players take EARTH SCIENCE for their science Req. whereas when I was at GT the FB players took the same Bio as the Civil Engineering Majors, never did they take Chem or Physics unless they were already Comp Sci or Engr majors

Earth Science ain't causing GT to recruit at a much lower level than ND & Stanford, the math thing has already been beaten to death, I'll try not to mention it anymore

Also, playing close to home is the #1 criteria, followed closely by who's on the coaching staff at #2 as far as reasons that players choose P5 schools, it ain't water slides and bigger stadiums, and easier academics like so many on these message boards delude themselves into believing

Time to stop making excuses GT fans and raise your expectations
 
NotTomNotPhilButGCollins said:
Ga HS FB is light yrs ahead of crappy Tenn HS FB so GT should be considerably better than Vandy, always

GT's worst years should be 8-4 seasons, GT's best seasons should be 10-11 wins, with the occasional trip to the CFP with 12 wins or more every 5 or so yrs

I'm gonna say it and piss people off but I don't care, GT FB should average 9 wins per season

I don't give a sh*t about the last 50 yrs, I'm looking at GT FB in 2019 & beyond

The reason is simple, GA HS FB is among the best in the Country (4th & rising), the ATL MSA (metropolitan statistical area, 6.8 million residents) has Top4 HS FB among urban areas, and rising, and to top all that off, the Academic Qualifiers are here in GA

Stanford puts more effort into recruiting GA HS FB than they do Texas HS FB, think about that for a minute, even Stanford knows that GA HS FB produces those players that combine Academics & Athletics

With that kind of raw material that close to GT's campus, it is our job as Fans and the GTAA's job to find a way to "git 'er done" and not come up with bullcrap narrow curriculum excuses, and STEM major excuses

BTW, that STEM major excuse is weak as hell anyway, that so-called STEM core that folks have been using as their main excuse is a load of bunk, our FB players take EARTH SCIENCE for their science Req. whereas when I was at GT the FB players took the same Bio as the Civil Engineering Majors, never did they take Chem or Physics unless they were already Comp Sci or Engr majors

Earth Science ain't causing GT to recruit at a much lower level than ND & Stanford, the math thing has already been beaten to death, I'll try not to mention it anymore

Also, playing close to home is the #1 criteria, followed closely by who's on the coaching staff at #2 as far as reasons that players choose P5 schools, it ain't water slides and bigger stadiums, and easier academics like so many on these message boards delude themselves into believing

Time to stop making excuses GT fans and raise your expectations
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So if Geoff Collins wins less than 9 games in 2019 and 2020, will you make excuses or call for his head too?
 
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NotTomNotPhilButGCollins said:
GT's worst years should be 8-4 seasons, GT's best seasons should be 10-11 wins, with the occasional trip to the CFP with 12 wins or more every 5 or so yrs
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If they expand the playoff to 8 teams, maybe.

We were in the top 10 twice in the last 10 seasons, so CPJ already had us there.

I think your floor is overly optimistic, especially considering our upcoming OOC schedule. We're not like most SEC schools that can play 4 cupcakes for our OOC games. In 2020, we have 3 extremely difficult OOC games (ND, UCF, UGA), plus we always have to play Clemson, instead of being Duke and getting to beat up on Weak Florist every year. Unless CGC can recruit like a madman and get some good coordinators in, 2020 will be very ugly.
 
Current talent and results are similar, but our potential is drastically higher. Franklin got them to their absolute ceiling with a couple of 9 win seasons, but historically, 6 wins is a great year for them. They can't hang on to a coach that has even a slight amount of success.
 
You might recall Vandy demoted their AD position to be part of "student life" in 2003 which was viewed as throwing in the towel. But they've had a good run (vs their prior history) with Williams as AD since then...he is stepping down now, just announced retirement a few months ago.
 
Comparing recruiting rankings isn't applicable here. The 2 programs are light years apart. Between 1983 and 2010 Vandy won more than 5 games just 1 time. They have done better since hiring Franklin in 2010 which also coincides with UT having a terrible run including their first 8 loss season ever last year. GT has been beating top 25 teams and has played in and won multiple new years day bowls in that time. Vandy is having a good run right now, yet their attendance is getting worse every year. I think both have apathetic fan bases but Vandy has literally no success to hang their hat on. The most popular teams in Nashville are the Preds, Vols, Titans, and crimson turds in that order. Look at vandy had a great season and yet their recruiting class is ranked 46 and UT is 12. Give them credit like GT they can do more with less but GT has a better chance to land top 20 classes than vandy.
 
Ask Vandy fans if they'd switch programs with Tech.

Ask Tech fans if they'd switch programs with Vandy.
 
NotTomNotPhilButGCollins said:
Ga HS FB is light yrs ahead of crappy Tenn HS FB so GT should be considerably better than Vandy, always

GT's worst years should be 8-4 seasons, GT's best seasons should be 10-11 wins, with the occasional trip to the CFP with 12 wins or more every 5 or so yrs

I'm gonna say it and piss people off but I don't care, GT FB should average 9 wins per season

I don't give a sh*t about the last 50 yrs, I'm looking at GT FB in 2019 & beyond

The reason is simple, GA HS FB is among the best in the Country (4th & rising), the ATL MSA (metropolitan statistical area, 6.8 million residents) has Top4 HS FB among urban areas, and rising, and to top all that off, the Academic Qualifiers are here in GA

Stanford puts more effort into recruiting GA HS FB than they do Texas HS FB, think about that for a minute, even Stanford knows that GA HS FB produces those players that combine Academics & Athletics

With that kind of raw material that close to GT's campus, it is our job as Fans and the GTAA's job to find a way to "git 'er done" and not come up with bullcrap narrow curriculum excuses, and STEM major excuses

BTW, that STEM major excuse is weak as hell anyway, that so-called STEM core that folks have been using as their main excuse is a load of bunk, our FB players take EARTH SCIENCE for their science Req. whereas when I was at GT the FB players took the same Bio as the Civil Engineering Majors, never did they take Chem or Physics unless they were already Comp Sci or Engr majors

Earth Science ain't causing GT to recruit at a much lower level than ND & Stanford, the math thing has already been beaten to death, I'll try not to mention it anymore

Also, playing close to home is the #1 criteria, followed closely by who's on the coaching staff at #2 as far as reasons that players choose P5 schools, it ain't water slides and bigger stadiums, and easier academics like so many on these message boards delude themselves into believing

Time to stop making excuses GT fans and raise your expectations
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This post has it all.

Seriously, every last thing about how GT football isn't what it was under Dodd is right here (and some new shit too).

Extra credit for not specifically shitting on CPJ too - shocking considering the font.


I have seen the light, it was us fans all along. NTNPBGC has shown us the way. It is all too simple; raise our expectations.

100k screaming fans in your stadium; not needed.

Playgrounds for NFL wannabes that have been coddled since middle school; unnecessary.

Limited majors with tougher coursework; that's not GT any more.

All we have to be is close to the player's hometown and have nationally-known coaches with histories of winning at a high level (uh-oh) and of course, raise our expectations.

We have met the enemy and it is us; our expectations are too low. All we have to do is want it more - as a fan base - and it will happen for us.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL


The rest can be tl;dr for the short attention span crowd so scroll on if you are so inclined.


"Excuses", "Quit accepting mediocrity", "Demand excellence", "Expect more" - I have read posts that have these in them over the years and I have never understood this sort of attitude from people associated with GT. My first assumption from people that espouse these platitudes about GT's sports shortcomings has been that the font is a sidewalk fan as GT specializes in producing people that deal with their lives in provable, repeatable, factual, logical ways. I have been mostly disappointed though in that I learn (or already knew) that the font is (or claims to be) a grad. I do understand why people get this way; sports is an emotional thing for a fan and as the Vulcans found out, emotions get in the way of logic.

Funny thing is, we all know what the secret to CFB success is. In a way NTNPBGC is correct in his post; none of the things listed as an "excuse" matter - of course, none of the things that are listed as why GT should be more successful matters either. What really matters is money. Lots and lots of money, both legal money and illegal (according to the NCAA) money are the key to sustained CFB success. Hell, money is a key factor in every successful venture. You may start in your garage with The Next Great Idea, but without funding no one but your neighbors will ever know about it.

Money. Pure and simple.

You want to be in the CFB Playoff more than once in a lifetime? Step up your fund raising. Want to beat you rivals regularly? Beat them at the bank consistently first.

Hold on, I am not delusional about money - understand what I said; money is a key factor, not the factor. For every Bammer and Clemson there is an aTm and Tennessee - what you do with the money it can matter as well. Money is the foundation that allows for the building that success is to stand on. Short term success is in CFB is possible with limited funding; without that foundation that money provides, success will crumble away.


My expectations are for GT football to compete for and win championships each season. Always has been. I would say that everyone here expects that - unless you are only here to troll or make mom jokes. Therefore, I cannot join NTNPBGC in his quest for higher expectations. I guess I will just have to send some more money to the GTAA.


The worst thing about fans like NTNPBGC, and the others that took the last 11 years off, is that they are willing to disappear when they are unsatisfied. Talk about being counter productive; my team isn't winning like I would like so I am going to stop supporting them - while getting even more pissed that my team continues to be unsuccessful. Pretty funny when you think about it; some CPJ haters would always callout CPJ's surliness and stubbornness as reasons why GT has been unsuccessful - while being surly and stubborn about the program that they supposedly are fans of.
 
GT football is better than Vandy football, but it is a lot closer than it used to be. However, Vandy is better now at basketball and a hell of a lot better at baseball. Thus, Vandy’s sports program is overall better right now.
 
BackstreetBuzz said:
GT football is better than Vandy football, but it is a lot closer than it used to be. However, Vandy is better now at basketball and a hell of a lot better at baseball. Thus, Vandy’s sports program is overall better right now.
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In this composite calculation, football is 90% of relevance, basketball is 9% of relevance, baseball is 0.5% of relevance, and all other sports combined are 0.5% of relevance.
 
ClydeBrick said:
This post has it all.

Seriously, every last thing about how GT football isn't what it was under Dodd is right here (and some new öööö too).

Extra credit for not specifically ööööting on CPJ too - shocking considering the font.


I have seen the light, it was us fans all along. NTNPBGC has shown us the way. It is all too simple; raise our expectations.

100k screaming fans in your stadium; not needed.

Playgrounds for NFL wannabes that have been coddled since middle school; unnecessary.

Limited majors with tougher coursework; that's not GT any more.

All we have to be is close to the player's hometown and have nationally-known coaches with histories of winning at a high level (uh-oh) and of course, raise our expectations.

We have met the enemy and it is us; our expectations are too low.
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I almost don't know where to start, all that rambling drivel you wrote

But I'll try, my point was rather simple GT FB had a huge advantage over 95% of the CFB programs in the P5 in that we are located in a hotbed of elite talent, not good talent, but elite talent

Earth Science & 2 math classes isn't what is causing mediocrity in our FB Program no matter how much the academics excuse makers whine abt academics and limited majors

All those folks that spout narrow curriculum obviously never met nor got to know an elite HS - College level athlete during their younger yrs

If they did, they would know that academic major is kinda a fluid situation with those types

They all want to go pro, but they also want to graduate in a degree that will lead to them to a better job than their parents had at the local factory, mill, or post office

Most of these guys are undecided abt academic major, for example if GT was putting guys in the NFL, they'd be glad to major in Business or LMC and go wherever that takes them if their NFL dreams don't materialize

REGULAR STUDENTS with 2100s++ on their SATs get hung up on what they're majoring in coming out of HS, but the elite athletes with a 1050+ on the old SAT they ARE NOT gonna walk away from a FB program that is gonna put them in the NFL because they lack "his major"

Reading your post about coddling until they can go to the NFL is an outdated stereotype from an elitist jerk

These elite athletes have all heard the injury horror stories and they know they're a split second away from FB being over for them, so your assumptions that most good FB players are anti academics is bunk, they might not wanna be brain surgeons, but they are not lazy and they are not anti academics

GT's issues have always been self inflicted starting from allowing a legendary HC to be AD when he was clearly overmatched to running a system that elite HS recruits hated with a passion

I'll throw this hypothetical out there, ask any FB program outside the Top5, if they could switch physical locations with GT would they with the caveat that they would also have to adopt GT's admission stds for athletes and their so-called limited degree offerings

Tons of P5 schools would take that in a heartbeat simply because so much elite talent is in GTs backyard

In fact, tons of P5 coaches and CFB writers and media types all classify GT as a "sleeping giant" with the right HC & AD, the reason, all the nearby elite talent that is smart enough to major in business

Coaches and insiders in the industry believe more of what I have written than that outdated, stereotypical crap that you wrote
 
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