Here we go again. Conference expansion

Blah blah SEC is taking over!

What really happened: the two best schools from a dead conference took their best option and kept their identity and historical rivals. It was completely symbiotic. 99% of these other ideas provide no benefit to any other conference.
 
GT flunkout said:
Blah blah SEC is taking over!

What really happened: the two best schools from a dead conference took their best option and kept their identity and historical rivals. It was completely symbiotic. 99% of these other ideas provide no benefit to any other conference.
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So you are saying we should invite Navy and East Carolina?

I'll hang up and listen...
 
mookie43 said:
The SEC wants to take over college sports and control the TV markets. The ACC has a crappy TV deal. In short the ACC needs to go away. ESPN has the TV deal with both the ACC and the SEC. Why not let the SEC take over the ACC? You end up with 30 teams. Add ND and WV or Okla St to get to 32. You make the SEC dominate in all sports both men’s and women’s.

Agree to a ten game conference schedule in football to give ESPN more content. Have 3 common opponents each year and rotate the other 28 teams 7 per year so that you play all 31 teams every 4 years. Top two teams at the end of the year play for the league championship.

It brings all of the ACC-SEC rivalries back together in one league. It puts Kentucky in a basketball league with UNC and Duke.
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The best thing for college football is not to have ESPN dominating rights. There needs to be some competition. With the issues at Disney/ABC/ESPN over financials wouldn't surprise me to see ESPN really try to start lowballing TV rights renewals.

Your comments about SEC rescuing the ACC are Polyannaesque. The ACC schools would have to bend the knee and take lower shares of payouts to get in. And UGAy would not let us in anyway.
 
ramblinwise1 said:
The best thing for college football is not to have ESPN dominating rights. There needs to be some competition. With the issues at Disney/ABC/ESPN over financials wouldn't surprise me to see ESPN really try to start lowballing TV rights renewals.

Your comments about SEC rescuing the ACC are Polyannaesque. The ACC schools would have to bend the knee and take lower shares of payouts to get in. And UGAy would not let us in anyway.
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It looked like Fox might challenge ESPN. Unfortunately Fox seems to have abandoned that strategy.
 
BrentwoodJacket said:
It looked like Fox might challenge ESPN. Unfortunately Fox seems to have abandoned that strategy.
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I'm just talking out my ass, but I'm guessing peak revenue foe Disney on these deals has already passed and will continue to decrease. Fox, im sure could see a bidding war driving up costs would not have been a good financial decision, unless they did it simply to drive up espns cost with no intention of actually signing deals
 
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So if the B1G, Pac 12 and ACC wanted to check the power of the SEC, one way they can fight back is to limit the BCS playoff to 4 teams.....with the 4 teams being the 4 conference champions. I believe they have the power to dictate BCS rules. No more double dipping by the SEC (or the ACC last year). Complete the breakup of the Big 12 (which helps ESPN) by distributing them as such:
B1G = Kansas and Iowa State
ACC = Notre Dame and West Virginia
Pac12 = Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, OK State

Then after a couple of seasons of only 4 teams in the BCS, negotiate an expansion to 8-12 teams where the selection criteria eliminates SEC bias.
 
05GTCorndog said:
Why would they dilute the SEC and the matchups that they currently have?
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This is why I think the B1G is the best bet for us. Neither the ACC nor the B1G can match the SEC right now independently, but if we merged it would be a different story.
 
Beeski said:
So if the B1G, Pac 12 and ACC wanted to check the power of the SEC, one way they can fight back is to limit the BCS playoff to 4 teams.....with the 4 teams being the 4 conference champions. I believe they have the power to dictate BCS rules. No more double dipping by the SEC (or the ACC last year). Complete the breakup of the Big 12 (which helps ESPN) by distributing them as such:
B1G = Kansas and Iowa State
ACC = Notre Dame and West Virginia
Pac12 = Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, OK State

Then after a couple of seasons of only 4 teams in the BCS, negotiate an expansion to 8-12 teams where the selection criteria eliminates SEC bias.
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Logical structure, go to P4 with three working together as needed to reign in the SEC.
Conference championship games essentially give you an 8 team playoff. You get in by winning your conference division.
So presumably ND would finally be forced into the ACC to access the playoffs.
I read where the SEC move angered (non sec) university presidents, triggering a lot of cooperative discussion among them about offsetting strategies.
Of course that means big 12 is toast, probably the case regardless.
Ok this structure discussion is one thing, but imagine millionaires playing college football?
 
pianoman said:
Logical structure, go to P4 with three working together as needed to reign in the SEC.
Conference championship games essentially give you an 8 team playoff. You get in by winning your conference division.
So presumably ND would finally be forced into the ACC to access the playoffs.
I read where the SEC move angered (non sec) university presidents, triggering a lot of cooperative discussion among them about offsetting strategies.
Of course that means big 12 is toast, probably the case regardless.
Ok this structure discussion is one thing, but imagine millionaires playing college football?
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I like the 8 team, division champions getting in the playoffs idea.
I feel bad for the UCF, Cinci, Houston, BYU, Boise crowd, but if we don't fight back against what the SEC is trying to pull off, we might get left in the dust.
Going to 12 teams with a limit of 3 teams from one conference might work. The P4 conference champions get a bye, 4 more slots from conference championship game losers, 4 at-large, with a max of 1 per P4 conference, min of 0.
 
pianoman said:
Logical structure, go to P4 with three working together as needed to reign in the SEC.
Conference championship games essentially give you an 8 team playoff. You get in by winning your conference division.
So presumably ND would finally be forced into the ACC to access the playoffs.
I read where the SEC move angered (non sec) university presidents, triggering a lot of cooperative discussion among them about offsetting strategies.
Of course that means big 12 is toast, probably the case regardless.
Ok this structure discussion is one thing, but imagine millionaires playing college football?
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Let the people in the SEC have a free hand to do whatever they want to do. If nobody interferes with them, they will over play their hand and make a big mistake. That is what arrogant people always do.

Let them add USC, Ohio State, Clemson and FSU, along with Texas and Oklahoma. That will not last long, since most of them will end up with mediocre records and find that intolerable.
 
CiraldoForever said:
Let the people in the SEC have a free hand to do whatever they want to do. If nobody interferes with them, they will over play their hand and make a big mistake. That is what arrogant people always do.

Let them add USC, Ohio State, Clemson and FSU, along with Texas and Oklahoma. That will not last long, since most of them will end up with mediocre records and find that intolerable.
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That breakup will take years to happen. In the meantime, everyone else gets choked either out of existence or relegated to division 3 due to funding issues.
 
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