I Am Utterly Convinced

BarrelORum said:
My personal opinion of Chan Gailey is that he is poor and sometimes completely inept at being able to make a decision that helps our program. Chan gets credit for Tenuta, but he did not hire Tenuta, Braine did when Gailey's hire (Rick Smith at ECU) was not hired over resume issues.

Gailey choose to be his own OC and head coach after he admitted that was one of the bigger mistakes in his coaching of Dallas.

Gailey hired Dave Wilson.

After Dave Wilson proved to be a complete disaster, he was replaced but not by Chan's own doing. Chan was pressured to get rid of him and it was not Chan's decision.

Gailey hired Nix in response to someone elses decision that he not be his own OC.

Gailey did not fire Nix. In fact, if it was up to Gailey, Nix would still be our OC. If you believe anything else then you really don't know what is going on down at the GTAA.

I want Gailey to succeed, but after 6 years, I think we've seen the best we will see from him as Coach.
Click to expand...

Thank you, BOR.
 
lonestarjacket said:
QFT

Some here have declared they will abandon GT if Chan is fired. When DRad was hired some wailed because Curry was not hired and declared they would abandon GT on that decision.

I don't think anyone could argue that any coaching decision after the end of this season would be made capriciously. This regime has had plenty of time to show what they can do and what they are about.

Those who would consider abandoning a program because of one coach who was given a fair shot are as misguided as those who called for his head after the first year IMO. Those who want GT to lose any game because of their coaching agenda are despicable rather than misguided.
Click to expand...

While I agree that we should wait until the end of the season, I do disagree that this regime has had sufficient opportunity to show what they can do. Gailey came in late and has been hampered by NCAA penalties and flunkgate. I'm still on the fence, but I believe he hasn't had a chance to recruit on an even playing field until this year due to NCAA restrictions. It isn't hard to understand why we've been weak in the 4th quarter when we haven't been able to recruit the numbers to build quality depth.

By the way, if you don't believe internet boards make a difference, remember that fireronzook.com was cited as a big part of his dismissal. Meyer won a championship primarily with Zook's players and now Florida has regressed and Illinois is looking up.
 
GT1992 said:
While I agree that we should wait until the end of the season, I do disagree that this regime has had sufficient opportunity to show what they can do. Gailey came in late and has been hampered by NCAA penalties and flunkgate. I'm still on the fence, but I believe he hasn't had a chance to recruit on an even playing field until this year due to NCAA restrictions. It isn't hard to understand why we've been weak in the 4th quarter when we haven't been able to recruit the numbers to build quality depth.

By the way, if you don't believe internet boards make a difference, remember that fireronzook.com was cited as a big part of his dismissal. Meyer won a championship primarily with Zook's players and now Florida has regressed and Illinois is looking up.
Click to expand...
Florida has regressed? Are you chemically imbalanced?
 
Vespid said:
What Techbert said....squared!

Bill Curry wrote an excellent column last year congruous with the thoughts you expressed so well. I think it was titled "Fellowship of the Miserable"?. It ASTOUNDS me how many people think constant negativity will produce a positive result. You know, Dale Carnegie had it all wrong, if he would only have titled his book " The Power of Negative Thinking", I'm sure he would have been considered a significant mentor to many millions more successful people.
Click to expand...

The problem with using Curry as an example is he is one of the more positive people one will ever meet. Yet, he was fired mutiple times because he was so incredibly poor at his job. People who absolutely loved him still fired him.

He was positive Tim Couch should be running the option. Intelligence wins out over positive thinking. But positive thinking wins out over negative thinking for sure. Unfortunately for Gailey, he is neither Ralph Friedgen nor Dale Carnegie nor Bill Curry for that matter.
 
GT1992 said:
While I agree that we should wait until the end of the season, I do disagree that this regime has had sufficient opportunity to show what they can do. Gailey came in late and has been hampered by NCAA penalties and flunkgate. I'm still on the fence, but I believe he hasn't had a chance to recruit on an even playing field until this year due to NCAA restrictions. It isn't hard to understand why we've been weak in the 4th quarter when we haven't been able to recruit the numbers to build quality depth.

By the way, if you don't believe internet boards make a difference, remember that fireronzook.com was cited as a big part of his dismissal. Meyer won a championship primarily with Zook's players and now Florida has regressed and Illinois is looking up.
Click to expand...

UF has stockpiled so much talent. they are a top 5-10 team with mostly frosh and sophomores. UF and USC should be top 3 for the next 5-10 years easily. Ron Zook is better at ILL but UF is much better without Ron Zook.
 
If we win our next four or lose 2 of the next four I think there will be much less dissention among the ranks.

I go back and forth on almost a daily basis about whether we are as good as we are going to get as a program and whether making a big change will help or just be a different color of "mediocre."

To keep myself from going completely nuts over what to do, I just remind myself that we have four games to play the outcome of which is very material to my final opinion on the matter. Also, I have decided that dRad is more loyal to Georgia Tech than he is to anyone employed therein and will do the right thing when and if the time comes.

I think it would be helpful if everyone concerned realized that we (fans on the intarweb) can give all the "We are DOOMED" speeches or all the "Hail Chan - Giver of Wins" speeches we want and it doesn't add up to anything.

Who is anyone trying to convince with their dogmatic viewpoints? Each other? Please. And no one else is listening.

Bottom line is that the only time we matter is on Saturday afternoon and when we send our checks in.
 
BarrelORum said:
My reply by no means agrees with your post or disagrees with you. I can see where you are coming from, but I don't place as much value on whiny internet fans as you do. I don't place much value on internet message boards period. I just don't think they are that important, and I don't think they have an effect either way.

I've always wondered about those that "won't accept mediocrity". I typically wonder how successful these people are and if they don't tolerate mediocrity in their own lives and at work. It seems we may have a bunch of CEO types that have too much time on their hands that allows them to post on internet message boards about how avergae we are as a football program. Some even dedicate their sites to that cause.

I typically say want I want to say, because I enjoy the banter. I don't place a lot of importance in what I think or what others think. Like anyone, I do think I am right the majority of the time. But I can admit when I am wrong.

Techbert, you contradict yourself in your second paragraph. You imply that those without power have no ability to directly control the situation but insist on trying to control events. Then you give them credit for being harmful instead of good. So at that point, do you not think they have some direct control?

I think your mentality on internet fans being harmful is a perception that has been manufactured and influenced by those on the Hive. The board moderators and RR have consistently acted above the norm because they are truly convinced that the board somehow represents Georgia Tech. Let me sum that up again: An internet sports board with paid advertising and its posters somehow represent Georgia Tech. The idea is laughable. They don't have any control over the perceived events anymore than Buzzoff does. The self importance they feel is hollow. Have you ever met in person some of the people on the Hive? If you think they have the ability to influence our athletic department then you need to get your head checked.

The mods on the Hive believe that they actually have some control over events which is why they choose to run their board the way they do. They have given themselves and all the other Tech boards the feeling that we are somehow more important than we really are. I know of no other fans message boards that take themselves so seriously as the GT fan boards.

The Hive set a standard over what can be said on a message board. That standard was represented as the only "positive" and anything that disagreed was perceived as negative. Unfortunately, there are a large majority of fans that disagreed with what was being said and therefore they think that the standard created by the Hive has a NEGATIVE effect because it promotes something that may not be in GT's best interest.

So other message boards were created because they wanted to advertise a different position 1.) to influence as they were taught to believe the powers that be, 2.) to give them their own feeling of self importance and 3.) to show up others who disagreed with them.

When you stop believing that what you say on a message board has any effect, and when you stop placing importance over what is said on a message board, things become a lot more fun. That is why I like posting here because for the most part that is what the average fans are like on this board. If you go to the hive you have people dripping with self importance over their agenda and if you go to buzzoff you get the exact same but opposite.

Once you come to that understanding, you can basically categorize posters into two different types: a.) those that are down to earth, and b.) those that are crazy.

You'll never agree with a crazy type, unless you are crazy yourself. You can agree and disagree with a down to earth type without having to wage World War 3 to do so.

Anyway, my thoughts from the philosopher.
Click to expand...

That was a helluva post.
 
Tampa, I've already answered your questions with just some of the problems Gailey has created above.Do you want anymore, or are the ad nauseum beat a dead horse posts enough. Tell you what, just for fun, lets list all the positives and negatives in a separate thread and see how many we get?

I'll go start it now.
 
midatlantech said:
Syracuse was mediocre. Now they have completely crashed. Nebraska was winning 9 games a season, now they have completely crashed.

To me, it's very easy to see an improving situation. BC just kicked our butts and would have done the same to just about any team in the country that day. Great QB's, when they are on, can beat anybody.

Look at how mediocre or poor our recruiting class was four years ago and look at how many NFL prospects we have this year. If you can't see improvement then you just aren't looking.

Add in the whole probation thing which oh so many people just refuse to factor in and again you see well above average versus the norm (team on probation).

Look at our loss to Maryland and Virginia. Everyone's bitching about how poor they are, but they are sporting good records and have waged wars with everyone (except Wyoming). Both losses could be attributed to fluke plays, certainly the UVA loss was. The record shows a fiar 5-3 but the losses aint' woodshed types.

Look at attendance and ticket sales. Look at the representation of the I and tell me Chan isn't doing a hell of a job on getting Tech men. Look at the recruiting he's got going on. Look at the good recruiting base he's developed.

I give you that Chan is boring. I give you that Chan has a defensive grind it out style but that is just his style. It can work, but it doesn't excite people. I give you that he hasn't beaten UGA, but with flunkgate/probation who would have?

You can claim your argument but to say things aren't still improving is to put your head into the sand.
Click to expand...


Midatlanta, I truly want to agree with you. However, even with all of those issues he dealt with, GT is no better or no worse than we were 5 years ago, three years ago or one year ago. We are not regressing; i think you can clearly make that assertion. however, objectively saying we are improving with regard to wins and losses is not justifiable.

what really irks me is you could make such a casefor improvement if Gailey had not ripped defeat from the jaws of vistory at MD. Only borderline stupidity would have managed that last drive and the clock the way he did. And as long as he is here, he has the opporuntity to continue making those same game-end decisions. He also admitted to calling TO at MIA at the end of the first half. I mean, at some point, one has to wonder out loud, "How smart is this guy?"
 
ContactBuzz said:
-I think most would agree that recruiting is impoving
-There is statistical evidence that special teams have improved
-Defense is no worse than in the past
-offense has improved statistically - PPG and YPG are better than any year under Gailey. Granted, much of that is against weaker opposition but this isn't the only season in which we've played games against weaker opposition. We're 2-1 in the games in which we've scored fewer than 20 pts

All of those are signs of improvement, not opinion (well, aside from recruiting). Unfortunately, those improvements haven't showed up in the form of more Ws (which is disappointing to me but I still recognize the signs).
Click to expand...

Recruiting is most likely improving, at least 99% would agree.

Special teams have improved, 100% agree though we lose both kickers this year so who knows about next year. Regardless, a huge improvement even without the kickers.

Defense, you know, I'm not sure they haven't regressed. Two years ago I would have said (certainly subjectively), the defense can't lose the game for us. I now believe against certain teams they certainly can and have lost the game for us. We give up more big plays now than we did 3 years ago. i think the defense may have regressed and may continue to regeress with our philosophy. Mature QBs eat us alive. Our defense is somewhat of a concern to me looking into the future.

Offense - I don't know. The ability to develop a QB is so poor but the ability to develop RBs is so good. I think we're progressing but who knows?

In-game coaching - We are a much better 2nd half team than ever in Chan's tenure. that ebign said, we might be a worst 1st half team now. His time managment is regressing if possible. The man scares me when it's all up to him late in the game. That 2 minute drive vs. UVA was horrendours and then he gave the MD game away.

I'm not sure were improving though the talent is so it should rise above the coaching if the Cremins rule is true.
 
goldmember said:
If you have those concerns you should not post them on a public message board where they may directly or indirectly cause untold harm to the program. You should contact Drad or Gailey himself with your concerns.

If you have nothing positive to say on a public message board then you should say nothing at all - or stick to less damaging topics such as uniform color or whining about coverage by the local media.
Click to expand...

If we were only allowed to post the positives about the Gailey regime, Reggie Ball, and Tech football then there would be no message boards.
 
Look, here's the long and the short of it. I definitely see upward trends. I think Chan is a good administrative head coach. I think Chan's major malfunction is he's wretched at rock-paper-scissor.


I also think this discussion is pointless. If Chan goes to the Craftmatic Adjustable Bed Bowl AND BEATS GEORGIA this year he's going to be our head coach again next year. If he loses to Georgia, again, he's gone. And that's all there is to it.
 
nedleeds said:
If we were only allowed to post the positives about the Gailey regime, Reggie Ball, and Tech football then there would be no message boards.
Click to expand...

That's not true, there are always positives. Even the 51 -7 games had positives.

Also, like i said earlier, there are other important (and less damaging topics). For example, our 'flagship' radio station mentioned the fact that uga is playing UF this weekend. We can start multiple threads complaining about this.

The size of the GT logo on the field/helmet, shades of gold worn to the games by fans, and the poor academic standards used by our competitors are also fair game.
 
Even the 51 -7 games had positives.
Click to expand...

THERE WAS NO POSITIVE TO THAT GAME.

NONE.

beej67,
returns you to your regularly scheduled arguing
 
GT65_UGA89 said:
No. I was there for the one in Athens --and the only thing positive about it was that I am positive that there was positively nothing positive that took place.
Click to expand...


I disagree. The one positive was that we were not shut out completely and managed to eek out 7 points. Of course that was against UGA's 4th team defense.
 
BarrelORum said:
I disagree. The one positive was that we were not shut out completely and managed to eek out 7 points. Of course that was against UGA's 4th team defense.
Click to expand...

That did happen in the fourth quarter --but it took place on the end of the field opposite of where I was sitting --so I'm not totally positive that we got in. :rolleyes:
 
There's nothing positive about a game in which a team quits against their arch rival. Nothing. I still can't believe Gailey survived that. That's right there after cheating on the list of things that should get you immediately ****canned.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top