I Am Utterly Convinced

LOL Goldmember.

Knox, I'm not making an excuse for Chan on that game, however, it is very common for players recruited under one coach to quit while playing for another coach with a different style.
 
Uhh, guys, they quit when we gave the game to UGA in the first quarter by fumbling the ball 4(?) times in our own redzone. I think UGA was up by 21 before our offense saw the field.
 
midatlantech said:
...however, it is very common for players recruited under one coach to quit while playing for another coach with a different style.
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Sure is. Just ask Ross. Two of our DL that transitioned from Curry to Ross were buddies of mine at the time and they flat out told me (years later) that they refused to play for Ross. They suited up and took the field (both were starters and one went to the NFL) but they weren't interested in winning games for Ross.

But that was a situation where we went from an easy going coach to a taskmaster - more understandable. With Gailey, it was the opposite so the falloff was and continues to be a mystery to me.
 
midatlantech said:
LoneStarJacket,
You can't have it both ways in life. We complain about others cheating and then look the other way for ourselves. I love every Tech team, y'all are the ones who brought up comparing teams (something impossible to do of course).

When UGA cheats and beats our butts with players that shouldn't be on the field, we complain. Let's be fair, our star QB was extended extra benefits and that action put us into probation. In fairness you can't compare one team full of players with another that is held to less numbers and either we openly recognize that (when asked here) or keep our mouths shut when the same issues occur every 4 years at UGA.
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Who said anything about looking the other way?

If you discount the accomplishments of that team to "cheating" because of adminstrative screw-ups and equate what happened in that case to blatant tactics that UGA has used in the past, then I question your loyalty. You sound like one of those O'Leary-haters that want to denigrate any accomplishments while he was here to make Gailey look good in comparison. (I am no O'Leary fan, given the way he departed, but I acknowledge that he left the program in better shape than he found it.)

FWIW, other schools use tactics that are COMPLETELY LEGAL to the NCAA that I regard as more unethical than our trangressions.
 
Techbert said:
I am utterly convinced that those that refuse to accept mediocrity are the ones that cause it, both directly and indirectly.

I am also convinced those without the power to directly control a situation who insist on trying to influence events, such as whiny fans on an internet board who just want someone's head, have no ability to do good and only have a capability to do harm.

Further, it annoys me that some fans call themselves the "faithful", when they lack any faith and they tear away at the thing they claim they are faithful to.
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I am utterly convinced that those who think fans on message boards are responsible for the success/failure/stagnancy (pick one) of a football program are morons.

I'd say the bigger "fan" factor is the lack of butts in seats and too few alumni willing to support the program financially.

Mainly, a program's success comes down to the coaching and administration.

Last year we were mediocre b/c of Reggie.
Before that it was AJ Suggs.

This year: not clear yet--but you make a strong case for the internet message boards as a source of our losses to Maryland and UVA.
 
If you discount the accomplishments of that team to "cheating" because of adminstrative screw-ups and equate what happened in that case to blatant tactics that UGA has used in the past, then I question your loyalty.
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Me too. We're currently under sanction because the Hill screwed up, no other way to dice it.

I am utterly convinced that those who think fans on message boards are responsible for the success/failure/stagnancy (pick one) of a football program are morons.
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If you believe that discussion board 'fans' are an accurate cross section of 'real' fans, and you believe this same conversation is playing out in venues other than the internet, then I don't think it's too much of a stretch to believe that the fanbase in general has a great impact on the success/failure/stagnancy of a program.
 
midatlantech said:
LOL Goldmember.

Knox, I'm not making an excuse for Chan on that game, however, it is very common for players recruited under one coach to quit while playing for another coach with a different style.
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No this is a complete horse **** statement by you in order to reason away a absolute catastrophe caused by Chan Gailey. It is NOT ****ing common for players to quit. It IS ****ing common for players to not like the new regime. I've talked about this with former Curry players who played under Ross, and Ross players who played under Lewis. Even Ross's players didn't quit for Lewis until his third year when he showed complete ineptness. Lewis's players didn't quit on O'Leary although many of them hated his guts.

I've talked to a lot of former players that switched coaching regimes and discussed this very point of quitting on a new coach. The common response was "Well, we didn't like him but we sure as hell wouldn't quit".

I blame the seniors of the 2002 team as much as I blame Gailey for quitting against UGA, but one thing is for sure.... THEY QUIT! And it is not a common thing you just excuse away with your Bull**** Rationale to defend the current coach.
 
00Burdell said:
Sure is. Just ask Ross. Two of our DL that transitioned from Curry to Ross were buddies of mine at the time and they flat out told me (years later) that they refused to play for Ross. They suited up and took the field (both were starters and one went to the NFL) but they weren't interested in winning games for Ross.

But that was a situation where we went from an easy going coach to a taskmaster - more understandable. With Gailey, it was the opposite so the falloff was and continues to be a mystery to me.
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That's funny because I recently played golf with a DLineman that was a player that transitioned from Curry to Ross and although he hated Ross his first two seasons with him, he said nothing he experienced could reason what happened in 2002 vs UGA. This guy played a couple of years in the NFL too.
 
Just like I took major exception to the idiocy of thinking something good came from that debacle of a game, I also take exception to this:

No this is a complete horse **** statement by you in order to reason away a absolute catastrophe caused by Chan Gailey.
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Chan Gailey took full responsibility for that loss, but the cause for the loss was two fumbled kickoff returns and an interception in the first half.
 
beej67 said:
Just like I took major exception to the idiocy of thinking something good came from that debacle of a game, I also take exception to this:

Chan Gailey took full responsibility for that loss, but the cause for the loss was two fumbled kickoff returns and an interception in the first half.
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Beej, You obviously missed the point. I'm not saying Gailey didn't take responsibility, what I'm saying is it chaps my ass to no end that someone can just rationalize that loss with the assumption that it is a normal regular thing that happens. That was the worst loss in our storied history, but its perfectly acceptable to many. That makes me sick.

And the cause for that loss is because Gailey didn't have his team prepared AT ALL. To blame it on three plays is as ridiculous as midatlantech saying that those blow outs are usual occurences. Both are completely assinine comments.
 
BarrelORum said:
Beej, You obviously missed the point. I'm not saying Gailey didn't take responsibility, what I'm saying is it chaps my ass to no end that someone can just rationalize that loss with the assumption that it is a normal regular thing that happens. That was the worst loss in our storied history, but its perfectly acceptable to many. That makes me sick.

And the cause for that loss is because Gailey didn't have his team prepared AT ALL. To blame it on three plays is as ridiculous as midatlantech saying that those blow outs are usual occurences. Both are completely assinine comments.
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I never said those blow outs are usual occurences. I said that players quitting on a coach is not unusual. And your previous post proved the point. Even though players didn't want to quit, they, at whatever point you used, DID quit. It happens and to blame Gailey for O'Leary's players quitting on him and make it sound like he's the only Coach in the world that that would happen to is idiotic.

Now to clear the record, unless I can't remember correctly on this long topic, I never brought up players quitting, I never tried to protect Chan for that ugly loss, etc. I was responding to other posts. The way you guys twist things in order to make your point less weak is the problem here.
 
Beej, You obviously missed the point. I'm not saying Gailey didn't take responsibility, what I'm saying is it chaps my ass to no end that someone can just rationalize that loss with the assumption that it is a normal regular thing that happens. That was the worst loss in our storied history, but its perfectly acceptable to many. That makes me sick.

And the cause for that loss is because Gailey didn't have his team prepared AT ALL. To blame it on three plays is as ridiculous as midatlantech saying that those blow outs are usual occurences. Both are completely assinine comments.
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I think you don't get it. That Georgia team was one that nearly played for the National Championship, and that Tech team was starting a walkon true freshman at runningback due to injuries and had no return guys due to injuries the previous game. Your expectation that Chan could somehow spike AJ Suggs gatorade with Polyjuice Potion and turn him into Doug Flutie to try and overcome two fumbled kickoff returns in our own redzone in the first half is what's asinine. How were we going to score when our offense never even got on the field?

And who the hell are you to decide what is or isn't an "acceptable loss," when you've repeatedly said that the opinions (positive or negative) expressed by internet sports forum nerds have no effect on a program?

51-7 made me want to puke. It was the darkest hour I've ever had as a Tech fan, most particularly because I expected us to play well in that game. And if the ball bounced our way a little, we could have kept it close or won. But everybody in the whole damn world knew if we gave UGA twice as many offensive possessions in the first half as we got, that we were doomed. The players didn't quit on Gailey, they quit on themselves when the situation turned hopeless.

Nothing good came from that. The effects of that loss are clearly still lingering in the program and in the fanbase, and this discussion is clear evidence. IT SUCKED. Now get over it.
 
midatlantech said:
Even though players didn't want to quit, they, at whatever point you used, DID quit. It happens and to blame Gailey for O'Leary's players quitting on him and make it sound like he's the only Coach in the world that that would happen to is idiotic.
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Obviously he's not the only coach that has had a player quit on him, but he is one of very few who have had a completel debacle like the UGA game where not just 2 or 3 guys quit, next to the whole team did against their biggest and oldest rival. To not be able to motivate kids properly going into that game is ridiculous. To think that what happened that day is a common occurence is also stupid. I thought that is what you were saying. Obviously having a couple of players quit on a new coach isn't new.
 
beej, we're probably not as far thinking as you think on that game. My biggest problem for that game is that those players came out completely dead for their biggest game of the season. Those three plays you mentioned werent just bad luck, in my opinion they were telling of the mentality with which they came into the game. Its a common occurence for Gailey teams to lack motivation and come out slow. We've seen it twice versus lesser opponents this year.

To expect those kids to be able to come back from the deficit they created is expecting a miracle. But to expect them to just give up and not fight at all (which they did) for reason of those three plays is stupid too.

Those seniors are as much to blame as Gailey. but two things that Gailey is at fault for are obvious. 1.) Our kids came out flat which tells me that they weren't prepared or they weren't motivated. Probably both. 2.) Their motivation and effort through the rest of the game, did not get any better. It got decidedly WORSE.

That's pretty damning for our coach.
 
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