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I was merely stating my opinion, if you think it is classless, fine, like I said that is what a message board is for. FYI, I did send a letter to Coach Braine regarding some issues I had with his running of the athletic department and I got no response. Look I will support the kids playing and the coaches when they are coaching, but I will not blindly follow whatever decisions are made down on Techwood Ave. if I think they are wrong.
 
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Wrecked, your opinion is just that an opinion. Your opinions are equal to our opinions, but none of our opinions are the truth

You insinuated Braine was classless about the way Cremins was handled, you said he lied to Mac, and you said he was classless in demoting Roof. You did not say these were your opinions, you stated them as truth.

Now, I tried to bring factual events and statements into my post of the way things transpired. Those were not my opinions, but events that unfolded during the hiring process.

Mac claimed he was lied to, but you or I do not know that is so. Also, how could he have been lied to when he was told, along with all the other staff, that none of the present staff would be considered. It is a fact, Braine did not demote Roof.

Now, I assume none of us knows what went on between Braine and Cremins. At least, I have never heard any factual information released indicating Braine treated Cremins classless. You stated he did, but where have you gotten your information.

True, I have read items from board posters claiming this and that, but that is only rumor and has no basis other than sour grapes.

The same thing happened in Cremin's case as it does in most all of the same situations. Groups of influential alumni who have heard all the complaints about Cremins approaches the school. They set up a committee to discuss the situation. If there is a need for a change, a committee is formed and Braine is given the charge to ask Cremins to resign, fire him, or just talk to him about the matter.

I really don't know all the details. I don't even remember if he resigned or was fired. The big point is that Braine is only a messenger in most cases and is given a charge to perform a duty or search and bring the information back to the committee.

If you had stated up front, this is my opinion, and this is why I believe it, there would be no problem other than others giving their rebuttal opinion. But to say someone is classless as a statement of truth is another matter. That appears to be unjustifiable assumption.

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Ahso, I agree with you about Cremins. I don't think Braine did anything wrong in that situation. I however I do think you are mistaken about MacWhorter. MacWhorter stated from day 1 he was interested in the head coaching job. This is not uncommon for any assistant to make those kind of statements. The players wanted MacWhorter. He did not manipulate them. Once again, it is not uncommon for players to want to keep the current staff who they know. There was no report of any kind of player rebellion. Also, MacWhorter wasn't even interviewed until the whole Tom O'Brien saga had played out. MacWhorter had nothing to do with that. Dave Braine told Furman Bisher he was interviewing Mac because he liked the way he was conducting practices. Did Furman Bisher make that up? The mistake Braine made was saying he was waiting until after the Seattle Bowl. He then interviewed Gailey and wanted him for the job. Gailey was hired on Christmas Eve despite the charade that he didn't sign the contract until after the Seattle Bowl. I don't see how you can say that Mac didn't do a good job preparing the team for the Seattle Bowl. Tech upset #9 Stanford and played a great game even without Joe Burns. Braine is the AD and has every right to hire who he wants to do. However, it is wrong to blame the mistakes Braine made in the hiring process on MacWhorter.
 
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Braine was not honest with Mcwhorter...period!
 
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Ahso, you did an excellent analysis of the OC situation. Thanks Pard.
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Ahso, you are correct, I will stick with facts that I think make the Cremins affair classless in my eyes. I thought I had stated them but apparently you decided I was merely restating rumors.

I do agree that the comments I made on the Mac "interview" were made based on what I heard second hand. However, it appears from a later post, what I heard was fairly accurate.

I think this thread has probably gone on long enough. I don't like Dave Braine. I think he is bad for Georgia Tech and, however looking back now, I should have done what my mother taught me at an early age, "if you can't say anything nice, shut your pie hole."
 
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Cremins was rapidly taking Tech back to where it was when he came to Tech. He had completely lost the fire. He had to go and Braine let him go with dignity and paid him handsomely too. If Bobby had hung one more year the program would be a wreck. The AD is paid to make tough decisions. It was a tough decision to give Bobby (and I appreciate all he did for GT)a nudge but it needed to be done for the good of the program. As for the football coaching thing I agree with Ahoisee.......Mac (Who I have met personally and think is a great guy) put Braine in a bad position after Braine had made it clear from the start the new head coach would not come from staff members. Mac should have accepted that and Coached the Seatle Bowl. If he had done so I suspect he would still be an assistant at GT
 
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3518techie, Maybe you should reread my posts. There seems to be some misunderstanding of the things I have said.

The fact that Mac wanted the job from day one had nothing to do with it. Braine and the committee had decided and announced as soon as GOL quit that none of the present staff would be considered for the head coaching job. The door was closed as securely as it could be from day one. End of story, Mac would not get the job.

Mac kept persuing the job even though he had been told it could not be. It was not to be from the beginning. I stated the only reason Mac was interviewed is he kept insisting for an interview.

He was given the interview solely for the purpose of keeping some of the players from being distracted from the bowl game. It was becoming a problem for the team, Mac, and the committee.

Now, where did you get the part of my thinking Mac did not prepare the team well nor do a good job in the bowl game? I don't think I said anything about this in the discussion. I am bewildered as to how you came up with that!

I never said Braine made a mistake in the hiring of Gailey over Mac. In fact that was the only possible thing he could do. It was next to impossible for him to hire Mac. I stated it was Mac's fault for forcing the issue that he be a candidate for the job, when he was clearly told from the beginning he would not be a candidate.

I merely said Mac pushed the issue when he knew it was a dead one. If anyone was classless, it was Mac. All Braine did was to hire Gailey according to the determination of the committee. I was comparing the word classless between the two situations. Braine did what he was instructed to do. Mac tried to cause a rift in the program by his continuance of forcing the issue.

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Mac was "never" a viable candidate for the job. He was never seriously considered and was granted an interview solely to keep down dissention prior to the bowl game. Some of the players loyal to Mac were pressing Braine and the administration for Mac as head coach as they were preparing for the bowl game.

It became a touchy situation and Braine reluctlantly gave Mac an interview and told him no coach would be signed until after the bowl. The kids were satisfied and played a good game to win the bowl.

Since winning one game is not a prerequisite for receiving a head coaching job, the committee had Braine sign Gailey after the bowl as they had intended to do.

Mac and some of his followers were just upset that Mac did not get the job. He was never going to get it anyway. If he indeed did not know this, he surely did not have the smarts to be a head coach.
 
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Wrecked, I am glad you care about GT and have your opinion, but you originally stated something about the way DB was "classless" in HIRING people. He did not hire BC and he got him a great package not to leave but to continue caoching here. It was BC who continued to operate the program in ways that were no longer viable. He is not around because he has chosen to stay out of the picture. What would you have him do, talk to the team at halftime? As to bwussware, once again, what in hades are you talking about. No one said anything about CB hiring anyone. I would like a response from you about DB not being able to do his job and hire who he wanted because of the hillnerds. Can you do that without insulting the current coaches and DB or are you to stupid, classless and gutless to do so?
 
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Just kidding BW, but would like your response to questions about your rantings. Please?
 
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ahso, that is without a doubt the best description of the coaching change I have seen. Outstanding!!!
 
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Ahso, I'll start again with what I agree with you. You are correct in stating that Braine did not demote Roof or force Gailey to keep O'Brien. Those were Gailey's decisions. However, your characterization of Mac does not fit the timeline.

1.) First of all, Mac didn't get an interview until after the Tom O'Brien situation. If Mac was manipulating the process, how come a coach was nearly hired before he even got an interview.

2.) You did imply Mac wasn't doing a good job preparing the team when you wrote this: "Mac was classless to place his effort to force Tech to hire him and put himself above the effort to win the bowl game"

3.) The talk of a player revolt was a red herring. There was never any mention of this in any story. While the players always want somebody from the current staff, no players revolted after Gailey was hired even though Mac was supposedly manipulating them.

4.) Braine is the one who ultimately hires the coach. The search committee can question his choice and will in rare cases veto it. However, if Braine was willing to go to the mat for any candidate, Tom O'Brien included, they would have been hired.

5.) The fact is no interim coach can manipulate an AD to do something he doesn't want to do. The fact is Braine stuck is foot in his mouth about hiring a coach after the Seattle Bowl. He hadn't talked to Gailey yet and was enamored after interviewing him. Gailey was hired Christmas Eve and Braine set up a dog and pony show to make it look that wasn't the case.

6.) Braine did a good job in the hiring process with Paul Hewitt keeping his options open after finding some problems with another candidate. The football process was much more sloppy and mistakes were made in the hiring. Braine became more interested in making a dazzling pick than doing the necessary ground work. I thought Mac should have been given a chance because we had assembled a staff of solid recruiters. The talent the last few years is the reason for our recent great run. I thought was a different situation from Torbush who was a product of Mack Brown's recruiting prowess. O'Leary to his credit hired a solid staff of recruiters and acted as more of a deal closer. Tech is a tough place to recruit at and I thought this staff with a few adjustments could do well.
 
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Originally posted by texstinger:
signed Cremins that insured BC of great package, I think made a good hire in Paul, did good job with Hall. Do not know what was meant by classless.
<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">I made the statement and I stand by it. His handling of Coach Cremins was classless. Cremins would have been the first one to tell you he needed to go, but he deserved to go out on his own terms and not be shoved out the door by Braine the way he was. Coach Cremins saved this athletic program in the 1980's and was one Coach who truly loved the school and his players. Don't you find it funny that we haven't seen him around at all. Whack Hyder was a fixture here after he left, but where is Bobby? Hewitt is a great hire, but Braine got lucky there because he was moving in another direction entirely.

I will not even get into his lying to Coach Mac about his chances on being hired or his demotion of Ted Roof.
 
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ahsoisee, Nice job of posting!
 
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3518techie, somehow you are missing the point.

It makes no difference that Mac did not get an interview until after TOB. Mac was not in consideration for the job from the committee, nor Braine. It was a no-brainer, he was not a candidate.

Mac kept trying to get an interview for the job , but was not on the list. Even if there had been 5001 candidates for the job, Mac was not even the last on the list. He was not on the list. He just kept pushing to get on the list.

On your second point, I was referring to his efforts to get an interview when his players were getting together and going to the administration trying to encourage them to give the job to Mac. All of this was taking place while they were getting ready for the bowl game.

It was disruptive to the concentration of the players trying to get ready for the bowl game. It should have been Mac's prime target to concentrate entirely on the preparation and not get involved with forcing an interview.

He was not going to get the job and his efforts were a distraction to the players getting ready for the game. In that sense, he was classless to use the situation to force himself on Braine and the committee at that time.

So, I did not even come close to implying Mac did not do a good job in the bowl game. In fact, it has been stated that he basically turned the preparation over to BOB and Roof. As I understand it, he pretty much stayed out of their hair. The only comment I made about this, was no person is going to be selected for head coach on one game.

I have no idea whether Mac tried to manipulate the players or not. There were quite a few rumors flying around about the players being upset and wanted Mac to be the new coach. A group of players got together and approached the administration to try and persuade them to hire Mac.

It was obvious Mac was trying to use the players backing of him to get an interview. In that respect, I call that manipulation of the situation.

After the players approached the administration, Braine and the committee finally agreed to let Braine interview Mac. It was nothing more than a courtesy interview to allieve the tension on the team regarding the situation. Braine and the committee did not want this issue to disrupt the preparation for the bowl nor have a negative impact on the players wanting Mac as coach.

This interview was late in the time frame of considering coaches and the bowl game was very close. Mac was promised nothing, other than Tech would not sign a coach until after the game. This strategy seemed to appease all, and everybody went about their duties and won the bowl game.

True to Braine's word and the committee's blessing, Gailey was signed after the game. There can be no doubt Braine and the committee were 99 and 44 100% sure Gailey would be the choice, but they waited until after the game to sign him.

You are really wrong if you think Braine can go off on his own and hire the coach he wants if the committee sees different. He is assigned and has the responsibility of looking at all candidates, interviewing them, and bringing his conclusions back to the committee. The committee can and will over-rule him if they see fit. He would be foolish to go against them just for a show of power.

If Braine had the sole authority, I personally believe Robinson would have been our coach.

Now, all of item #6 of your post is your opinion, which I can say nothing about. That is your opinion, what you believe, and you have that right to that opinion. The only thing I can say about your opinion is it may be true, and it may not be true. It is just another person's opinion.

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3518techie, you may want to rethink #4 bud. THWG
 
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I may have left an item vague in the above post. When I gave my personal opinion of Jimmy Robinson as Braine's choice, I should have said prior to Gailey coming on the scene.

My understanding of the undercurrent at the time of Robinson's interview was Braine came away really impressed. However, the committee had already stated they wanted someone with previous head coaching experience. I imagine that criteria had a lot to do with Robinson being put on a maybe list instead of a leading candidate.
 
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Originally posted by texstinger:
Can you do that without insulting the current coaches and DB or are you to stupid, classless and gutless to do so?
<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">First, I mistyped. I should have said Dave Braine was classless in the way he has handled his job, not just specifically to how he has hired people.

Second, I was referring to the way Coach Hyder has maintained contact and been a part of the BB program when I was referring to Cremins sticking around. Maybe Coach Cremins made the decision to NOT stick around because of the way he was treated.

Finally, I could comment on the current coaching staff without insulting them the way you have just insulted me (gutless and STUPID?), but as I stated in my earlier post, I am going to just shut up. I have sent Dave Braine letters regarding the AA and mentiond several examples of his decisions I thought were bad for Tech. I got no response. If you are offended by my use of the word classless, maybe I should have used a different term. If you think my opinion and my basis for forming it are stupid, I think that reflects more about your character than it does mine.
 
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Ahso and Goldz, I find it hard to believe an AD we are paying well into the 6 figures and who has an extensive football background was nothing more than a glorified head hunter during the search for the head coach submitting resumes to the ommittee. The fact is that it was Braine's call. The only way a candidate would have been denied by the search committee was if he had skeletons in his closet or it was revealed he had broken NCAA rules. Braine could have hired O'Brien if he was willing to go the extra mile. However, there were other issues with O'Brien. This was all covered in an excellent article that was in ACC Today. I wish I had at a link to it but I don't.
 
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Techie, your words, "the fact is it was Braine's call". This is not fact, it is only your opinion, because what you stated for fact is not correct.

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