Is It Just Me But When I Look At The Talent Level...

[Yukonwreck]

Miami and FSU have not gotten better.

Miami won the division for the first time since joining the ACC. FSU won a national championship in 2013 and were in the final four the next year. So they have improved over their previous 8 or ten years.

 

[johncu]

Miami won the division for the first time since joining the ACC. FSU won a national championship in 2013 and were in the final four the next year. So they have improved over their previous 8 or ten years.

Miami may be a bit better, but they still aren't "back" like they love to say. They've lost 4 straight games by double digits. Hell, we sucked last year and still had them beat if not for that ridiculous helmet-bounce play.

Our division is competitive, but it's not like we're sitting at the bottom of it looking up. We've been at or near the top of it almost every season and overall have been as good as just about anyone in it. We need to continue to build on our recent uptick in recruiting, and hopefully TStan's facilities improvements will help out there.

 

[samsgt02]

Dude, every team in the ACC could say the same, including Florida State. Clemson is now what FSU was in the 90s and early 2000s, and you saw how we fared against them. They beat the öööö out of O'Leary, Gailey, or whoever else we put out there against them. That talent disparity is 100% about Clemson's rise - we are more or less the same as we have been for a long time.

Exactly! Clemson is legit. We act as though CPJ can’t coach because we were whooped by CU or even 2012/2017 UGA. Our O’Leary teams didn’t do too much better against legit top five teams either.

 

[GTFLETCH]

of CPJ's teams during his tenure, most of them do not measure up to the talent he inherited from Gailey i.e....the 2008 & 2009 teams. About the only one that may have been comparable was the 2014 team. I believe Ross, O'Leary, and Gailey recruited better. So.....what is the problem? I believe a lot of it has to do with the offense we run. Most kids seem to go elsewhere unless it comes down to us and Elon.

of CPJ's teams during his tenure, most of them do not measure up to the talent he inherited from Gailey i.e....the 2008 & 2009 teams. About the only one that may have been comparable was the 2014 team. I believe Ross, O'Leary, and Gailey recruited better. So.....what is the problem? I believe a lot of it has to do with the offense we run. Most kids seem to go elsewhere unless it comes down to us and Elon.

Are you drunk??? Ok, ya Dwag fan lets look at this:

ROSS - 5 yrs on the Flats (6.2 avg wins per year)
1987 - 2-9 // No Bowl
1988 - 3-8// No Bowl
1989 - 7-4//No Bowl
1990-11-0-1// Citrus Bowl - UPI National Champions
1991- 8-5// Aloha Bowl (Hawaii Bowl Today)

Coach Ross Left Georgia Tech for the NFL (I will always thank him for the Natty)

O'Leary - 7 yrs on the Flats (7.4 avg wins per year)
1995- 6-5 // No Bowl
1996- 5-6// No Bowl
1997- 7-5// Carquest Bowl (Camping World Bowl Today)
1998- 10-2// Gator Bowl ( Co-ACC Champions)
1999- 8-4// Gator Bowl
2000-9-3// Peach Bowl
2001- 7-5// Team went to Seattle Bowl but Coach Left for ND and did not Coach in that game...

Coach O'Leary leaves Georgia Tech for ND, only to resign because he had lied about earning three letters in football at the University of New Hampshire and he then admitted that he had not really earned a master's degree from NYU Stony Brook, a non-existent institution named after two separate schools over 50 miles apart (he had taken only two courses at Stony Brook, and never graduated)

Gailey - 6 yrs on the Flats (7.3 avg wins per year)
2002 - 7-6// Silicon Valley Bowl (Poinsettia Bowl Today...Defunct)
2003 - 7-6// Humanitarian Bowl (Famous Idaho Potato Bowl Today)
2004 - 7-5// Champs Sport Bowl (Camping World Bowl Today)
2005 - 7-5// Emerald Bowl (Foster Farms Bowl Today)
2006 - 9-5// Gator Bowl {ACC Coastal Champs, Lost to Wake Forest in ACC Title Game}
2007 - 7-5// Team went to the Humanitarian Bowl (Known as Famous Idaho Potato Bowl Today)
but did not Coach in that game

So for a guy who thinks that Ross, O'Leary, and Gailey recruited better here are that stats
Ross - Avg 6.2 wins a season // 1 ACC Title & a National Title
O'Leary - Avg 7.4 wins per season// 1 CO-ACC Title {w/FSU}
Gailey - Avg 7.3 wins per season // 1 ACC Coastal Division Crown

So with all this lesser talent from poor recruiting CPJ probably isn't making any bowls as he is for sure avg less wins then our former coaches, he must be more like Bill lewis and only winning 4 games... Lets Take a Look....

CPJ - 10 yrs on the Flats ( 7.6 avg wins per year)
2008 - 9-4// Chick-fil-a Peach Bowl
2009 - 11-3// Orange Bowl (ACC Title)
2010 - 6-7//Independence Bowl
2011 - 8-5//Sun Bowl
2012 - 7-7//Sun Bowl (ACC Coastal Crown)
2013- 7-6//Music City Bowl
2014- 11-3//Orange Bowl (ACC Coastal Crown)
2015- 3-9// No Bowl
2016- 9-4//TaxSlayer Gator Bowl
2017- 5-6//No Bowl


hmm for a coach who recruits "lesser talent" as you say Coach Johnson has a better avg win per season then the other three at 7.6... He also has taken his team to 2 Orange Bowls, 1 Peach Bowls... He has a ACC title and 3 Acc Coastal Crowns....

So you are either just Drunk or are a DWAGS fan, either way I do not care.... Bottom line Georgia Tech's program has not taken a step back like you have stated... If anything CPJ is performing around the same level and you sir just stated that CPJ is a great coach since he is doing it with lesser talent....

 

[Killick]

We are just in the wrong division. Isn't CPJ 10-0 against non-Clemson Atlantic, and about .500 against Clemson?

 

[GT76]

We are just in the wrong division. Isn't CPJ 10-0 against non-Clemson Atlantic, and about .500 against Clemson?

14-1 against non-Clemson Atlantic. 4-6 against Clemson.

 

[GTFLETCH]

Oh... and lets compare & rank the best 5 seasons under each of those coaches you mentioned along with CPJ by Avg wins per year!!!!!!! You take the best five years from Coach Johnson, Ross, O'Leary and Gailey and add up the wins and divide by 5 years and what do you see that CPJ has these others beat. So either the talent is there, or CPJ is a better coach by a country mile, either way find a new team or quit your griping!!!!!! Go Jackets!!

#1. Johnson - 5 yrs ( 9.6 avg wins per year)
2008 - 9-4// Chick-fil-a Peach Bowl
2009 - 11-3// Orange Bowl (ACC Title)
2011 - 8-5//Sun Bowl
2014- 11-3//Orange Bowl (ACC Coastal Crown)
2016- 9-4//TaxSlayer Gator Bowl


#2. O'Leary - 5 yrs (8.2 avg wins per year)
1997- 7-5// Carquest Bowl
1998- 10-2// Gator Bowl (Co-ACC Champions)
1999- 8-4// Gator Bowl
2000-9-3// Peach Bowl
2001- 7-5// Seattle Bowl

#3.Gailey - 5 yrs (7.4 avg wins per year)
2002 - 7-6// Silicon Valley Bowl
2003 - 7-6// Humanitarian Bowl
2004 - 7-5// Champs Sport Bowl
2005 - 7-5// Emerald Bowl
2006 - 9-5// Gator Bowl (ACC Coastal Crown)

#4. ROSS - 5 yrs (6.2 avg wins per year)
1987 - 2-9 // No Bowl
1988 - 3-8// No Bowl
1989 - 7-4//No Bowl
1990-11-0-1// Citrus Bowl (UPI Natty)
1991- 8-5// Aloha Bowl

 

[BigChooch0405]

I went ahead and upvoted this because I respect the hell out of a shitposter.

Excelsior to you gentle autist.

 

[GoldenIsle]

Oh... and lets compare & rank the best 5 seasons under each of those coaches you mentioned along with CPJ by Avg wins per year!!!!!!! You take the best five years from Coach Johnson, Ross, O'Leary and Gailey and add up the wins and divide by 5 years and what do you see that CPJ has these others beat. So either the talent is there, or CPJ is a better coach by a country mile, either way find a new team or quit your griping!!!!!! Go Jackets!!

#1. Johnson - 5 yrs ( 9.6 avg wins per year)
2008 - 9-4// Chick-fil-a Peach Bowl
2009 - 11-3// Orange Bowl (ACC Title)
2011 - 8-5//Sun Bowl
2014- 11-3//Orange Bowl (ACC Coastal Crown)
2016- 9-4//TaxSlayer Gator Bowl


#2. O'Leary - 5 yrs (8.2 avg wins per year)
1997- 7-5// Carquest Bowl
1998- 10-2// Gator Bowl (Co-ACC Champions)
1999- 8-4// Gator Bowl
2000-9-3// Peach Bowl
2001- 7-5// Seattle Bowl

#3.Gailey - 5 yrs (7.4 avg wins per year)
2002 - 7-6// Silicon Valley Bowl
2003 - 7-6// Humanitarian Bowl
2004 - 7-5// Champs Sport Bowl
2005 - 7-5// Emerald Bowl
2006 - 9-5// Gator Bowl (ACC Coastal Crown)

#4. ROSS - 5 yrs (6.2 avg wins per year)
1987 - 2-9 // No Bowl
1988 - 3-8// No Bowl
1989 - 7-4//No Bowl
1990-11-0-1// Citrus Bowl (UPI Natty)
1991- 8-5// Aloha Bowl

First two years were Gailey's players, that is 20 of the wins. Our offense is an equalizer, no way that Navy should stay on the field with ND, and CPJ is very good at coaching this offense. So I stand by my premise that CPJ is an average recruiter at best but can compete with his offense. Just look at our D under Johnson, there are no gimmick defenses, and our personnel has been exposed. Hopefully I can say the same thing about our new Def Coord as I say about CPJ.

 

[GTFLETCH]

First two years were Gailey's players, that is 20 of the wins. Our offense is an equalizer, no way that Navy should stay on the field with ND, and CPJ is very good at coaching this offense. So I stand by my premise that CPJ is an average recruiter at best but can compete with his offense. Just look at our D under Johnson, there are no gimmick defenses, and our personnel has been exposed. Hopefully I can say the same thing about our new Def Coord as I say about CPJ.

Ok.. So we can discredit Chan Gailey since he had George O'Leary's players....Chan's record would be worse....

The bottom line is CPJ has a higher avg win per season then any of the coaches you have mentioned... So if he is only an avg recruiter the other coaches must have been worse, since the bottom line is about wins and they all trail CPJ at this point...

 

[DressCheeseSideSeaboard]

GTFLETCH is bringing the wood ITT.

 

[Vespid]

First two years were Gailey's players, that is 20 of the wins. Our offense is an equalizer, no way that Navy should stay on the field with ND, and CPJ is very good at coaching this offense. So I stand by my premise that CPJ is an average recruiter at best but can compete with his offense. Just look at our D under Johnson, there are no gimmick defenses, and our personnel has been exposed. Hopefully I can say the same thing about our new Def Coord as I say about CPJ.

So frickin what. CPJ wouldve taken that fsu roster the other night and beat the absolute dog poop out of VT with it. Gailey, ross and oleary also recruited in different worlds. Its apples and oranges. I think with the initiatives and support CPJ is getting from TStan, we will see an uptick in recruiting, not drastic, but enough to make a significant difference.

 

[BigDanT]

So frickin what. CPJ wouldve taken that fsu roster the other night and beat the absolute dog poop out of VT with it. Gailey, ross and oleary also recruited in different worlds. Its apples and oranges. I think with the initiatives and support CPJ is getting from TStan, we will see an uptick in recruiting, not drastic, but enough to make a significant difference.

Like I think it’s amazinf what even a small uptick would bring. If we had anything resembling a good defense we would have made the playoffs in 2014.

PLAYOFFS

 

[beej67]

Sure, I'm happy we can still beat up on Alcorn. I became a die hard fan during the Dodd era when we were a football school. If there had been ESPN back then you would have been hearing about GT all the time. Well...times changed and GT stuck its head in the ground and the game passed them by and we darn near lost the program in the late 70's early 80's. I actually think the Hill tried to sabatoge the program. So when I hear "We are GT we can't compete with the football factories" it drives me up the wall. There was a time we put as many fannies in the stadium as UGA and I'm not talking about the 50's, I'm talking about the 70's. Stanford and ND can do it...so can GT.

Sure.

Here's the plan. First, give the GTAA $55 million dollars for one of these:

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-clemsons-football-facility-2017-10

Next, become Governor of the state of Georgia, replace the Board of Regents, and allow GT to have all the major offerings that Stanford and ND have where they can hide athletes.

After steps 1 and 2 are complete, we should have almost everything in place to compete yearly with Stanford and ND, and perhaps even Clemson. And then you can get your pro style coach or whoever you like to come in and pile up these 5 star recruits. But you'll also probably need to shell out a few million a year on pay for play, like these guys do:

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ers-records-reveal-details-cam-newton-scandal

You are absolutely correct that the game has passed GT by. So start refreshing yourself on what the current game actually is. We have intentionally chosen not to play this game, and we are doing pretty good at playing the game we have chosen to play.

 

[Yukonwreck]

Exactly! Clemson is legit. We act as though CPJ can’t coach because we were whooped by CU or even 2012/2017 UGA. Our O’Leary teams didn’t do too much better against legit top five teams either.

O'Leary was lucky to have Donnan. Like Dodd had Johnny Griffith for three years.

 

[gt2690b]

I don't remember O'leary or Ross playing Alcorn State and Bowling Green in the same season.. I could be wrong, though

 

[JJacket]

Like I think it’s amazinf what even a small uptick would bring. If we had anything resembling a good defense we would have made the playoffs in 2014.

PLAYOFFS

PLAYOFFS!? PLAYOFFS!?

 

[JJacket]

I don't remember O'leary or Ross playing Alcorn State and Bowling Green in the same season.. I could be wrong, though

Bet you don't remember either one beating FSU either

 

[BigDanT]

Bet you don't remember either one beating FSU either

Tell the man they only played 11 games back then and before that 10. Also Ross won a MNC so maybe we shouldn’t compare.

 

[johncu]

First two years were Gailey's players, that is 20 of the wins. Our offense is an equalizer, no way that Navy should stay on the field with ND, and CPJ is very good at coaching this offense. So I stand by my premise that CPJ is an average recruiter at best but can compete with his offense. Just look at our D under Johnson, there are no gimmick defenses, and our personnel has been exposed. Hopefully I can say the same thing about our new Def Coord as I say about CPJ.

I don't think anybody is really arguing that, right? He's an exceptional Xs and Os coach and an average recruiter. What we need is solid assistants who can complement him with solid recruiting and a defense to pair with his offense.

Clemson is not GT at all, but they did create a good blueprint. They hired Chad Morris and Brent Venables, two of the best coordinators in the country and the perfect complement to Dabo's strength which is recruiting and player management.