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Look at the end of 2019
got Jamious from my NC state
ahmarean brown had early offer from bama, chose us over Maryland, Iowa state and Minnesota
sylvain yondjouen committed to and visited Arizona
stole Michael Lockhart from miss st and North Carolina
and took another kid from Arkansas OLB
Etc etc
Soybeans with ringsJust remember that as soon as you sign your name, to Nick Saban you're soybeans.
and we flipped Graham (who had a Bama offer) from Va Tech, got Wesley Walker (who had LSU and Notre Dame offers), flipped Jordan Huff from Michigan State, flipped Kenan Johnson from UNC, got Chimedza (who had FSU and Georgia offers), Charlie Thomas (who had an Auburn offer and Miami was also said to be hot after) ... those are just off the top of my head. Plus smaller scale wins, like flipping Jerry Howard from ECU. And he's pretty good.
oh, and that was the previous staff doing that work too.
Collins has done ok so far. but don't dismiss what the previous staff had done, especially in the last two full recruiting cycles and in the class CGC and gang took over
Our need at RB isn't that big right now. Gibbs would be a great player for us, but our needs on the lines are much bigger, so we can afford to lose gib s much more than other positions.
A whole lot of “ifs” here. Bottom line, we need a class in the 20’s or low 30’s to validate what we have been told about GC. All the speculation fills the time in a terrible season but nothing really matters until signing day comes.
At least we are still in the game. Under the past regime we would have moved on due to his taking trips to the other schools.
I'm not trying to bash the previous staff but if you're going to start listing folks, make sure you get all your facts straight.and we flipped Graham (who had a Bama offer) from Va Tech, got Wesley Walker (who had LSU and Notre Dame offers), flipped Jordan Huff from Michigan State, flipped Kenan Johnson from UNC, got Chimedza (who had FSU and Georgia offers), Charlie Thomas (who had an Auburn offer and Miami was also said to be hot after) ... those are just off the top of my head. Plus smaller scale wins, like flipping Jerry Howard from ECU. And he's pretty good.
oh, and that was the previous staff doing that work too.
Collins has done ok so far. but don't dismiss what the previous staff had done, especially in the last two full recruiting cycles and in the class CGC and gang took over
I'm not trying to bash the previous staff but if you're going to start listing folks, make sure you get all your facts straight.
We flipped Graham because he wanted to play QB. I'm almost positive VPI was recruiting him as an Athlete, with no guarantee of playing QB.
Kenan Johnson was recruited by the old staff, but he didn't decommit from UNC and commit here until after CGC was hired. If you want to see our recruiting stats I posted them in another thread. But is the gist of it:
Our 2019 team talent rating average is 0.8464
Take away the guys CGC recruited and transfers and that number is 0.8403
CGC's 2019 recruits and transfers average 0.8734 (2 lowest rated are grad transfers that were extreme needs: OL and TE)
CGC's 2020 commits to date average is 0.8634 with a few high 3* and 4* players on our radar.
I have our OL/DL stats in another thread and those stats are even more damning.
I'm not trying to bash the previous staff but if you're going to start listing folks, make sure you get all your facts straight.
We flipped Graham because he wanted to play QB. I'm almost positive VPI was recruiting him as an Athlete, with no guarantee of playing QB.
Kenan Johnson was recruited by the old staff, but he didn't decommit from UNC and commit here until after CGC was hired. If you want to see our recruiting stats I posted them in another thread. But is the gist of it:
Our 2019 team talent rating average is 0.8464
Take away the guys CGC recruited and transfers and that number is 0.8403
CGC's 2019 recruits and transfers average 0.8734 (2 lowest rated are grad transfers that were extreme needs: OL and TE)
CGC's 2020 commits to date average is 0.8634 with a few high 3* and 4* players on our radar.
I have our OL/DL stats in another thread and those stats are even more damning.
These numbers are hysterical to me. Four decimal points of accuracy based on some random analyst's subjective analysis? How do we know this recruiting class isn't a .87456423549?
if we got a class ranked 20, but it was rb, wr, dbs', qb, lbs, no dl, no ol; it wouldn't validate us and we wouldn't improve.
this class is strong because of 6 OL, maybe 7. Rumor is a few DT's coming too. I could care less if all the skill positions defected. As you can see on our current team, we have skilled players far from the ball. Nothing near it. My point is, often by the nature of taking alot of linemen, they are naturally ranked lower and harder to project. So I look at numbers being recruited. This and should be a strong class for both lines (hopefully), but definitely the OL. The OL has good prospects too.
So as you say lets see what happens come december. But for me this class really has 2-3 main purposes. OL. DL. LB.
Not sure how you are missing the point to be honest. The argument was that CPJ flipped and brought in as much "talent" as CGC is bringing in. Two of those that were used as examples, one was flipped to here because of the position we were guaranteeing, the other was not a CPJ flip. I added in the ratings that I posted in another thread to show the difference in prior recruiting and current. The number I put for CGC was not the entire 2019 recruiting class... it was only the guys he brought in. GCG's number was also watered down by signing 2 grad transfers (0.82 OL and 0.80 TE) because those were positions of dire need and those were the best guys available to get that could play immediately. The guys he brought in averaged 0.87 and the entire team average here was 0.84. Apparently you don't follow recruiting because that is a big difference. His 2020 class average right now is 0.86 and it's expected to get higher. We should be able to give CGC a mulligan as you say for 2019 but he didn't need one because he came in and immediately made a major impact.Not sure what your point is with this post. CPJ retired a month before the early signing period in 2019. I think it is fair to give CGC a mulligan for 2019; so why are you using 2019 for a baseline?
Why are they hysterical? Apparently you don't follow recruiting either. These numbers are how they are rated on the 247 composite. It's not "some random analyst's subjective analysis." It's the composite score of 247, Rivals, ESPN and independent analysts. But oh I forgot none of those guys know anything.These numbers are hysterical to me. Four decimal points of accuracy based on some random analyst's subjective analysis? How do we know this recruiting class isn't a .87456423549?
“I’m committed to Tech, but I’m taking visits right now,” said Jahmyr (pronounced Juh-Meer). “I’m going to Bama this week, then LSU, Ohio State and Florida.”
“I’m very excited to be hearing from Bama,” he said. “If they come after me hard, I’d say there’s a strong chance of them being who I choose.”
I reacted the same way, to me at least it sounded like he's publicly calling us a placeholderThis guy should be writing wedding vows. "I can't wait to spend the rest of my life with you, unless someone more attractive is interested...?"
This guy should be writing wedding vows. "I can't wait to spend the rest of my life with you, unless someone more attractive is interested...?"
I reacted the same way, to me at least it sounded like he's publicly calling us a placeholder
It's not really necessary with the early signing day telling you where a guy stands if he doesn't signI don't think anyone ever taught him what the word "committed" means. Or maybe that's how recruiting is these days. But it seems weird to be "committed" to a school and openly say you'd go elsewhere. I liked CPJ's policy of rescinding offers if they visited elsewhere while committed, but probably not the right move in today's world.
it was a stupid move with guys he still had a chance with.I don't think anyone ever taught him what the word "committed" means. Or maybe that's how recruiting is these days. But it seems weird to be "committed" to a school and openly say you'd go elsewhere. I liked CPJ's policy of rescinding offers if they visited elsewhere while committed, but probably not the right move in today's world.