Jahmyr Gibbs

[DaltonJacket]

I don't think anyone ever taught him what the word "committed" means. Or maybe that's how recruiting is these days. But it seems weird to be "committed" to a school and openly say you'd go elsewhere. I liked CPJ's policy of rescinding offers if they visited elsewhere while committed, but probably not the right move in today's world.

This is one of the biggest reasons I find myself not being as interested in college athletics as I once was. I'm tired of the dance. If you commit you should be able to sign that moment. Lets cut the crap. If you want to take visits...don't commit somewhere. When your visits are done, have a commitment/signing ceremony and let that be it. I know that won't happen because there is money to be made on the intrigue surrounding recruiting these days but I'm over it.

 

[ElCidBUZZingFAN]

Why are they hysterical? Apparently you don't follow recruiting either. These numbers are how they are rated on the 247 composite. It's not "some random analyst's subjective analysis." It's the composite score of 247, Rivals, ESPN and independent analysts. But oh I forgot none of those guys know anything.

The more precision you add to an already incredibly subjective thing like recruiting is pretty funny in a way. I mean - it allows you to cut and splice and have fun as you're doing. However, in the big picture of things, it's no different than the national recruiting guys ranking someone the #34 OL who plays ball in Texas compared to the #33 OL from Maryland. When you get to THAT level (as the 247 composite does with its precision) of comparison, it gets silly.

While the analysis was trash, I kinda always liked ESPN's system, which as much as I can recall was 0 - 99 grade where each 10 point bracket had a generic projection for the player.

Like, like 90 to 99 was Day 1 impact player. Future AA.
80 - 89 was Day 1 starter
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[JoeCakeEater]

Nasty! His highlight tape is basically all touchdowns where he makes defenders look like they're running in mud. I want him badly, despite some of the comments saying we need OL/DL more... I dont disagree with that take, but you want players like Jahmyr running behind our soon to be improved OL. It will take a strong effort to keep him in the fold.

 

[User 10337]

and we flipped Graham (who had a Bama offer) from Va Tech, got Wesley Walker (who had LSU and Notre Dame offers), flipped Jordan Huff from Michigan State, flipped Kenan Johnson from UNC, got Chimedza (who had FSU and Georgia offers), Charlie Thomas (who had an Auburn offer and Miami was also said to be hot after) ... those are just off the top of my head. Plus smaller scale wins, like flipping Jerry Howard from ECU. And he's pretty good.
oh, and that was the previous staff doing that work too.
Collins has done ok so far. but don't dismiss what the previous staff had done, especially in the last two full recruiting cycles and in the class CGC and gang took over

Who gives a shit?

 

[User 10337]

Disagree. Gibbs’s film is electric. The kind of guy that can mask deficiencies on an OL. After rivals does their re-rating he probably ends up our highest rated RB (247 composite) since they started rating them. I don’t see much difference between his film and the top RBs in the country. If any.

It honestly wouldn’t be shocking to me if he somehow ended up a 5*. He won’t, but it wouldn’t be ridiculous. He’s hunting down all-time season records in GA. A state known for producing stud RBs. He’s being chased by Bama/OSU and UGA is sniffing around, three programs that have like a third of the starting RBs in the NFL right now.

Frankly he puts Griffin’s film to shame. And people lost their minds when he committed/signed.

I absolutely love Gibbs' film. Especially his patience behind his blockers. I particularly like that he puts his hand on the blockers to keep himself from running up on them. It also lets the blockers know he's there. When that happened to me, it let me know to just go hit the guy rather than positional block and the back will make the decision.

 

[BuzzFeitenSystem]

and we flipped Graham (who had a Bama offer) from Va Tech, got Wesley Walker (who had LSU and Notre Dame offers), flipped Jordan Huff from Michigan State, flipped Kenan Johnson from UNC, got Chimedza (who had FSU and Georgia offers), Charlie Thomas (who had an Auburn offer and Miami was also said to be hot after) ... those are just off the top of my head. Plus smaller scale wins, like flipping Jerry Howard from ECU. And he's pretty good.
oh, and that was the previous staff doing that work too.
Collins has done ok so far. but don't dismiss what the previous staff had done, especially in the last two full recruiting cycles and in the class CGC and gang took over

Who’s being dismissive? I was answering a question on who CGC will be poaching and what kinda schools we’d be going against in January etc..

 

[GoGATech]

The more precision you add to an already incredibly subjective thing like recruiting is pretty funny in a way. I mean - it allows you to cut and splice and have fun as you're doing. However, in the big picture of things, it's no different than the national recruiting guys ranking someone the #34 OL who plays ball in Texas compared to the #33 OL from Maryland. When you get to THAT level (as the 247 composite does with its precision) of comparison, it gets silly.

While the analysis was trash, I kinda always liked ESPN's system, which as much as I can recall was 0 - 99 grade where each 10 point bracket had a generic projection for the player.

Like, like 90 to 99 was Day 1 impact player. Future AA.
80 - 89 was Day 1 starter
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I don't look at it out to the last decimal place, really only the first 2, so it's not really adding that much more precision, they just use a different scale. For instance:

4* players start around 0.8900
3* players start around 0.8000

So basicaly a 0.84 average is right below mid-pack 3 star, and closer to being a 2 than a 4. A 0.87 is much closer to being a 4 star average. That's why I look at the points more than the stars. You could have 2 classes off all 3 stars and one be average 0.88 with the other 0.81. That is an extreme difference. For instance 0.87 is near #650 recruit in the nation, 0.84 is #1350.

 

[gtGreg768b]

Getting this guy would be amazing. He is an incredibly talented back, and we also haven't had a player from Dalton in a good while.

 

[Akinji07]

GC is going to have to be able to" sell ice to Eskimos" if he keeps this class together or improves.

Well he’s sold us the loss to Citadel and 1-5 start as transition pains so I’m thinking this is where he earns his keep.

 

[wesleyd21]

Gibbs is the real deal. Need to send CGC to all his games in a Waffle House food truck hovercraft helicopter.

 

[GoJackets89]

Gibbs is the real deal. Need to send CGC to all his games in a Waffle House food truck hovercraft helicopter.

The Doc Walker recruiting approach. It does seem Gibbs is a cyborg werewolf caveman.

 

[gtchief]

Gibbs is the real deal. Need to send CGC to all his games in a Waffle House food truck hovercraft helicopter.

A fully-equipped helicoptering Waffle House sounds amazing

 

[aeromech]

Not sure how you are missing the point to be honest. The argument was that CPJ flipped and brought in as much "talent" as CGC is bringing in. Two of those that were used as examples, one was flipped to here because of the position we were guaranteeing, the other was not a CPJ flip. I added in the ratings that I posted in another thread to show the difference in prior recruiting and current. The number I put for CGC was not the entire 2019 recruiting class... it was only the guys he brought in. GCG's number was also watered down by signing 2 grad transfers (0.82 OL and 0.80 TE) because those were positions of dire need and those were the best guys available to get that could play immediately. The guys he brought in averaged 0.87 and the entire team average here was 0.84. Apparently you don't follow recruiting because that is a big difference. His 2020 class average right now is 0.86 and it's expected to get higher. We should be able to give CGC a mulligan as you say for 2019 but he didn't need one because he came in and immediately made a major impact.

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I thought you were trying to compare CPJ's recruiting to CGC's recruiting; which is why I thought 2019 was a weird year to do that. I see now that is not the comparison you were making.

No, the argument was that CPJ was poaching players from GSU and Appalachian State, as opposed to other P5 schools (Bama, Ohio State, etc..).

I still give CGC a mulligan for 2019; because as you say our 'dire need' was OL and TE. 1 OL as a graduate transfer, and 1 TE poached from Rutgers is not what I would expect after a full year of recruiting effort (like 2020 and beyond). I am not complaining about 2019 because of the short window CGC had.

 

[Flywheel]

Gibbs is the real deal. Need to send CGC to all his games in a Waffle House food truck hovercraft helicopter.

Need to send Calvin Johnson and Tashard Choice to his every home game as a duo.

 

[GoGATech]

I thought you were trying to compare CPJ's recruiting to CGC's recruiting; which is why I thought 2019 was a weird year to do that. I see now that is not the comparison you were making.

No, the argument was that CPJ was poaching players from GSU and Appalachian State, as opposed to other P5 schools (Bama, Ohio State, etc..).

I still give CGC a mulligan for 2019; because as you say our 'dire need' was OL and TE. 1 OL as a graduate transfer, and 1 TE poached from Rutgers is not what I would expect after a full year of recruiting effort (like 2020 and beyond). I am not complaining about 2019 because of the short window CGC had.

Ah I gotcha... no in the first part of my response where I stated that 2 of his examples weren't exactly CPJ "flips" I was sort of talking about that part, but no I haven't ever been in the "CPJ only recruits FCS talent" camp. I do believe he was recruiting lower than we should be able to here though. That is where my second part of the argument comes in, and I was mainly addressing this statement:

Collins has done ok so far. but don't dismiss what the previous staff had done, especially in the last two full recruiting cycles and in the class CGC and gang took over

IMO Collins has done better than "ok" based on what we had been previously doing as far as recruiting goes. I used those examples to show that even in the class "CGC and gang took over," his recruits were still rated higher than the ones already recruited and committed by the previous staff, and the ones on the team that have been recruited over the past 4-5 years. His 2020 class looks to continue that trend.

 

[GoGATech]

Here's one last look at those "subjective analyst's" numbers:

GT Avg. Rating By year:
2007 - 0.8731
2008 - 0.8211
2009 - 0.8547
2010 - 0.8478
2011 - 0.8321
2012 - 0.8504
2013 - 0.8356
2014 - 0.8404
2015 - 0.8446
2016 - 0.8322
2017 - 0.8389
2018 - 0.8523
2019 - Already Committed - 0.8528
2019 - CGC recruits/transfers - 0.8734
2020 - CGC commits - 0.8634

See a correlation? I know in the last 2 years recruiting was trending upwards slightly, but not any higher than we have already had in the previous 10 years. Everybody knows what that 2007 class had as far as talent goes. Looks like that is the level we are recruiting at already and hopefully that continues to rise. If we get who we expect we can get in the 2020 class, that number moves up right near 0.87.

 

[Vespidie]

The only number I can remember is 8675309.

 

[GoldZ]

Ohio State is after him also. I honestly would be surprised if we keep him. A couple of negative surprises are fine but I would also like a couple of positive surprises. This is normal ops when you are recruiting in the 30-15 range instead of the 45-60 range. A few GT fans are going to go ape but it is to be expected and the overall class is all that is important.

Better to be fighting these battles with OSU and Bama instead of GSU and AppState.

And the obligatory: I'm not worried about RBs.

We are going to sign Elite recruits and we are going to be an Elite program. Losing Gibbs is not indicative of such. Now gaining Jones and Stackhouse IS indicative of such claims. Let's hope it's the latter. Btw, what is Nazir's draw to Purdue !?

 

[GoldZ]

Here's one last look at those "subjective analyst's" numbers:

GT Avg. Rating By year:
2007 - 0.8731
2008 - 0.8211
2009 - 0.8547
2010 - 0.8478
2011 - 0.8321
2012 - 0.8504
2013 - 0.8356
2014 - 0.8404
2015 - 0.8446
2016 - 0.8322
2017 - 0.8389
2018 - 0.8523
2019 - Already Committed - 0.8528
2019 - CGC recruits/transfers - 0.8734
2020 - CGC commits - 0.8634

See a correlation? I know in the last 2 years recruiting was trending upwards slightly, but not any higher than we have already had in the previous 10 years. Everybody knows what that 2007 class had as far as talent goes. Looks like that is the level we are recruiting at already and hopefully that continues to rise. If we get who we expect we can get in the 2020 class, that number moves up right near 0.87.

.01 diff is not Elitism. Jones/Stackhouse would be.

 

[nytech]

These days a "commitment" means about as much as a dinner reservation at Houstons.