Jaybo Shaw Arrested

Lee34102 said:
What percentage of players, coaches, students in general, professors, trustees, university presidents, federal, state and local legislators and captains of industry probably had a beer (or two) before they were of legal age?
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Ok, I'll come clean. I threw back a few while in HS, college and after. However, I'm wiser now and haven't in 14 + years.

I read earlier (AJC I think) that the adults were also arrested for serving to the minors. I hope at the very least that the kegger being provided was of a decent brand of brew. :biggthumpup:
 
As much as we make fun of other teams whose players get minor offenses, I guess we had better run off this kid to keep our higher ground... ;)
 
If he'd asked the cop for a ride home, I might indeed make fun of him.
 
Just a thought. Some time ago I defended an adult who allowed under age beer drinkers to consume at a party at his house. Seems like one of them had quite a bit more than he could handle and while driving home at 2:30 am tried his best to put his Mustang in the exact same space as a very large tree. The tree would have none of it. The large "m" contributed by the vehicle, as well as the large "a" attributable to the tree's refusal to give way resulted in more than enough "f" to kill the young man, even with the air bags and crumple zones and all those other safety features built into the Mustang. My client faced 1 count of voluntary manslaughter, 20 counts of serving alcohol to a minor, and 20 counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. He also was sued in civil court by the young man's family, who faced the irreplaceable loss of their son. I got paid well and got my client off with a plea to involuntary and probation. The young man's family was not happy facing life without him. My client was not happy facing life with a felony conviction on his record. My client's home owner's insurance company was not happy having to defend the civil suit.

While lots of underage drinking goes on, everybody knows what the law is. And what the consequences of getting caught are. And what the consequences of driving home might be. If you don't like the law, get elected to your state legislature, and vote to change it. It might not be a big deal to you, but it is to those who suffer the consequences of it. Alcohol abuse counselling, loss of driver's license, public service, and perhaps missing a few football games are trivial penalties compared to the alternatives. But there must be penalties. It is a serious problem.

I'm glad the cops came and broke it up. My client, and the family of the young man who was killed would, no doubt, give everything that they have to turn back time and have the cops come and break up the "party" before the Mustang started to roll. They would not agree with the thought that what happened is "no big deal." The young people at the party, and the adults who let it happen, need to experience enough of the downside of breaking the law to motivate them to exercise better judgement in the future.
 
When I have kids, I plan on definitely providing booze for them. And their friends. And their friends friends.

But I also plan on handing out sleeping bags, tents, couches, and floorspace, and taking their keys away, and neither they, nor the booze, leaves my property until it's pissed out.

The problem isn't alcohol, it's not having a safe place to drink it.
 
beej67 said:
When I have kids, I plan on definitely providing booze for them. And their friends. And their friends friends.

But I also plan on handing out sleeping bags, tents, couches, and floorspace, and taking their keys away, and neither they, nor the booze, leaves my property until it's pissed out.

The problem isn't alcohol, it's not having a safe place to drink it.
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You might also plan on getting signed waiver of liability releases from each of the friends and friends friends parents, notifying your home owner's carrier, and if you are a professional of some sort, your professional liability carrier, of your intentions so that they can adjust your rates appropriately, or deny you coverage rather than having to defend you against damage claims resulting from intentional (read illegal) conduct. And finally, go ahead and place an attorney on retainer so that when you get arrested for providing a "safe" place for underage drinking (yes, the law does even apply when you provide booze to your own children in your own home) he or she can appear in bond court a 6:30 am to bail you out.

See, according to the law, it isn't the place, its the booze combined with the underage people consuming it.

But then again, I would have thought that you were smart enough to figure that part of it out.
 
beej67 said:
When I have kids, I plan on definitely providing booze for them. And their friends. And their friends friends.

But I also plan on handing out sleeping bags, tents, couches, and floorspace, and taking their keys away, and neither they, nor the booze, leaves my property until it's pissed out.

The problem isn't alcohol, it's not having a safe place to drink it.
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You are not going to be popular among the neighbors at all.
 
You might also plan on getting signed waiver of liability releases from each of the friends and friends friends parents, notifying your home owner's carrier, and if you are a professional of some sort, your professional liability carrier, of your intentions so that they can adjust your rates appropriately, or deny you coverage rather than having to defend you against damage claims resulting from intentional (read illegal) conduct. And finally, go ahead and place an attorney on retainer so that when you get arrested for providing a "safe" place for underage drinking (yes, the law does even apply when you provide booze to your own children in your own home) he or she can appear in bond court a 6:30 am to bail you out.

See, according to the law, it isn't the place, its the booze combined with the underage people consuming it.

But then again, I would have thought that you were smart enough to figure that part of it out.
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So .... it'd be better to let my children drink in dark alleyways?

See, kids are going to get drunk. Period. Point blank. End of story. All these puritanical laws do is force them to do it in cars.

If every time my kid gets drunk in high school, I'm there personally to watch them do it, then I'll feel a lot better about my kid's safety than LowCountryJacket's kids, who are sneaking out to get drunk at "The Cliffs" or "The Alley" or "The Graveyard."

Because seriously, who here didn't get drunk in at least one place named one of those three, back in high school? Hell, I did all three, plus the Wreck Room. If I have to chose between covering my eyes and plugging my ears to insulate myself from liability while not keeping tabs on by children, or breaking a dumb law to make sure my kids learn how to drink safely, I'll break the dumb law.
 
Non-issue that brings up several other interesting topics. If he's 18, he broke a law that is in desperate need of being altered.
 
I agree with Bj.. I mean it would be nice if the underagers didn't drink and abided by the law but they are going to find a way to get it and drink, so i would feel more comfortable knowing it was at my house
 
beej67 said:
So .... it'd be better to let my children drink in dark alleyways?

See, kids are going to get drunk. Period. Point blank. End of story. All these puritanical laws do is force them to do it in cars.

If every time my kid gets drunk in high school, I'm there personally to watch them do it, then I'll feel a lot better about my kid's safety than LowCountryJacket's kids, who are sneaking out to get drunk at "The Cliffs" or "The Alley" or "The Graveyard."

Because seriously, who here didn't get drunk in at least one place named one of those three, back in high school? Hell, I did all three, plus the Wreck Room. If I have to chose between covering my eyes and plugging my ears to insulate myself from liability while not keeping tabs on by children, or breaking a dumb law to make sure my kids learn how to drink safely, I'll break the dumb law.
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If you want to watch your kids become alcoholics at home that's great, but serving beer to other kids at your house isn't. Its certainly not your perogative as a "cool adult" to disregard the desire of other parents who don't want their kids to drink.

I certainly drank beer as a youngster, but we seemed to always do it with a designated driver or at a place that we were sleeping. You can teach kids the consequences of breaking the law and the right way to act in certain situations, and then if they end up in an alley or graveyard (or community pool!) drinking and they get caught they will be punished. But, providing a party house for kids to get drunk at is irresponsible. Of course, you don't have kids so it doesn't really matter, you'll probably change your tune when you do.
 
JacketIM, thanks for your war story that has nothing to do with anything. You sound like a really great attorney. If you're old enough to die for this country, you're old enough to have a beer. I don't give a rats ass what the law says.
 
beej67 said:
So .... it'd be better to let my children drink in dark alleyways?

See, kids are going to get drunk. Period. Point blank. End of story. All these puritanical laws do is force them to do it in cars.

If every time my kid gets drunk in high school, I'm there personally to watch them do it, then I'll feel a lot better about my kid's safety than LowCountryJacket's kids, who are sneaking out to get drunk at "The Cliffs" or "The Alley" or "The Graveyard."

Because seriously, who here didn't get drunk in at least one place named one of those three, back in high school? Hell, I did all three, plus the Wreck Room. If I have to chose between covering my eyes and plugging my ears to insulate myself from liability while not keeping tabs on by children, or breaking a dumb law to make sure my kids learn how to drink safely, I'll break the dumb law.
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Your choice. Its a game of chance. As in all games of chance, be prepared to accept the consequences if your hand is called.

If your hand is called, and you give the judge the explanation you gave above, you will no doubt become well acquainted with the maximum penalties imposed in your state for providing alcohol to an underage person, etc. And if you have provided alcohol to children other than your own, after that speech, you will probably enjoy a period of free room and board during which you will have an opportunity to meet new people and learn new skills.

I bet that the adults who were arrested at the party will be very contrite, apologize profusely, and promise to any thing necessary to get criminal law monkey off their back. In the same situation, you, being as committed as you are, would no doubt would stand your ground and let the system know exactly how you feel about it and its dumb laws.

Good luck.
 
Its certainly not your perogative as a "cool adult" to disregard the desire of other parents who don't want their kids to drink.
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Methinks ye misunderstand. I wouldn't go against the wishes of some other parent. I'd tell em what's up.

You can teach kids the consequences of breaking the law and the right way to act in certain situations, and then if they end up in an alley or graveyard (or community pool!) drinking and they get caught they will be punished.
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I don't want my kids drinking in an alley or a graveyard, period. Those places are not safe. I worry much less about them "getting caught" as I do them "getting mugged." I don't want my kids running from the cops, or from muggers, or from anything of the sort. They can learn that at Tech.

I bet that the adults who were arrested at the party will be very contrite, apologize profusely, and promise to any thing necessary to get criminal law monkey off their back. In the same situation, you, being as committed as you are, would no doubt would stand your ground and let the system know exactly how you feel about it and its dumb laws.

Good luck.
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Lol, no. When guys with guns show up you tell the guys with guns what the guys with guns want to hear. Same goes for guys with nooses. That's universal, no matter how exorbitantly dumb the laws are, because cops and judges actually believe the exorbitantly dumb laws do good. (when applied to people other than themselves)
 
beej67 said:
So .... it'd be better to let my children drink in dark alleyways?

See, kids are going to get drunk. Period. Point blank. End of story. All these puritanical laws do is force them to do it in cars.

If every time my kid gets drunk in high school, I'm there personally to watch them do it, then I'll feel a lot better about my kid's safety than LowCountryJacket's kids, who are sneaking out to get drunk at "The Cliffs" or "The Alley" or "The Graveyard."

Because seriously, who here didn't get drunk in at least one place named one of those three, back in high school? Hell, I did all three, plus the Wreck Room. If I have to chose between covering my eyes and plugging my ears to insulate myself from liability while not keeping tabs on by children, or breaking a dumb law to make sure my kids learn how to drink safely, I'll break the dumb law.
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Some of the worst alcohol-related incidents have happened in frat houses where nobody was driving anywhere. I've known two people who've gotten stomach pumps and have heard of much worse stories without even involving a car.

And I'm not sure if you've ever been the sober person trying to be in charge of drunk people before. I've found people tend to forget the word "no" when they get drunk.
 
beej67 said:
Methinks ye misunderstand. I wouldn't go against the wishes of some other parent. I'd tell em what's up.

I don't want my kids drinking in an alley or a graveyard, period. Those places are not safe. I worry much less about them "getting caught" as I do them "getting mugged." I don't want my kids running from the cops, or from muggers, or from anything of the sort. They can learn that at Tech.
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Well, if you can convince other parents to let you serve their kids (or better yet to have rotating keggers at multiple houses!), more power to you.

As for the drinking in alleys and graveyards things, another way to do it is to set severe penalties for drinking in alleys and graveyards. You know, grounding and what-not.

Be sure to let us know how it all turns out...
 
beej67 said:
Because seriously, who here didn't get drunk in at least one place named one of those three, back in high school?
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Not trying to come across as "holier-than-though." Only replying because you asked. Count me in the minority. I somehow managed to enjoy my high-school and college years without the influence of alcohol.

I spent my college years looking after my brother that enjoyed a few too many on a few too many occasions. My mission was to make sure he made it home safely. And while I was at it, I managed to win a nice sum of money of the drunk guys at the pool hall we frequented.
 
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