JEFF MONKEN

daBuzz said:
Dude. you're talking about replacing a 1-2 coach with a 1-2 coach who runs an offense that already proved it runs your talent off.

I loved Paul Johnson but you'd have to be a moron to not realize that it hurts your talent level in a program. The game announcers on ABC today were giving Collins hell all game but even they acknowledged that "everyone in the nation knew it was going to be a multi-year job to rebuild that roster". Also, the reason Johnson's offense worked was due to...Paul Johnson. None of his proteges have his ability to call plays like he does.

Going back to "the bone" would put the final nail in the program's coffin.
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If the TO offense ran off talent, why are we less talented 4 years after switching from it. I would rather we hire someone other than Monken; but the 2 dumbest arguments against him are that he couldn't possibly be as good as CPJ because he is just a CPJ impersonator, and Monken can only run the Flexbone and our roster would somehow be even worse because of it. What if Monken is a better recruiter, is that possible?

As for the ABC announcers, they also stated something to the effect that Collins hadn't shown progress. What if the problem never was the roster that CPJ left but instead was the clowns we have had coaching. Even with the TO roster, we should have never had back to back 3 win seasons with a decent coach.

I would have thought by now most would have seen through Collins' "biggest rebuild in history" and Key's "no more small ball" rhetoric and sales pitch; but I guess not.
 
aeromech said:
If the TO offense ran off talent, why are we less talented 4 years after switching from it. I would rather we hire someone other than Monken; but the 2 dumbest arguments against him are that he couldn't possibly be as good as CPJ because he is just a CPJ impersonator, and Monken can only run the Flexbone and our roster would somehow be even worse because of it. What if Monken is a better recruiter, is that possible?

As for the ABC announcers, they also stated something to the effect that Collins hadn't shown progress. What if the problem never was the roster that CPJ left but instead was the clowns we have had coaching. Even with the TO roster, we should have never had back to back 3 win seasons with a decent coach.

I would have thought by now most would have seen through Collins' "biggest rebuild in history" and Key's "no more small ball" rhetoric and sales pitch; but I guess not.
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If you think the talent level is no better than what Paul left, you've already shown your ignorance on the subject so I'll just let it go.

And once again, Monken is 1-2 this season...same record as Tech's. And they have played Coastal Carolina, UTSA and Villanova. Not exactly the same as Clemson, Western Carolina and Ole Miss. But hey...it'll make you "we need the bone" retards happy, so there's that.
 
daBuzz said:
If you think the talent level is no better than what Paul left, you've already shown your ignorance on the subject so I'll just let it go.

And once again, Monken is 1-2 this season...same record as Tech's. And they have played Coastal Carolina, UTSA and Villanova. Not exactly the same as Clemson, Western Carolina and Ole Miss. But hey...it'll make you "we need the bone" retards happy, so there's that.
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Our best defensive player is Charlie Thomas, a CPJ signee. Several of our starters are CPJ signees. So explain how you think the talent is better under Coach Clown.
 
Monken is my fav but I think Chadwell would be the hire that would get results and appease everyone.
 
daBuzz said:
If you think the talent level is no better than what Paul left, you've already shown your ignorance on the subject so I'll just let it go.

And once again, Monken is 1-2 this season...same record as Tech's. And they have played Coastal Carolina, UTSA and Villanova. Not exactly the same as Clemson, Western Carolina and Ole Miss. But hey...it'll make you "we need the bone" retards happy, so there's that.
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If you can't see that 2 of our best players on the roster in year 4 are still a couple of CPJ's recruits, you need to just let iit go.

If you are making the argument that both Collins and Monken are currently 1-2 therefore Collins is a better coach because of who he lost to; then I can't help you. I don't want us to hire Monken now; but I don't think anyone who understands football thinks he is or would be a worse coach than CGC. Collins has won 10 games while he has been at GT, during that same time frame Monken has won 24 with a service academy roster, including a bowl win over Missouri. I can't even imagine Collins coaching a service academy to a winning season.
 
daBuzz said:
If you think the talent level is no better than what Paul left, you've already shown your ignorance on the subject so I'll just let it go.

And once again, Monken is 1-2 this season...same record as Tech's. And they have played Coastal Carolina, UTSA and Villanova. Not exactly the same as Clemson, Western Carolina and Ole Miss. But hey...it'll make you "we need the bone" retards happy, so there's that.
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UTSA and Coastal are great programs. Jeff Traylor at UTSA is an incredible coach for a Texas program, and I assume with his Texas connections he'll be coaching at either TAMU or Texas inside of 5 years. Chadwell at Coastal is probably the best play caller in the nation, and I would take him here in a heartbeat
 
aeromech said:
If you can't see that 2 of our best players on the roster in year 4 are still a couple of CPJ's recruits, you need to just let iit go.

If you are making the argument that both Collins and Monken are currently 1-2 therefore Collins is a better coach because of who he lost to; then I can't help you. I don't want us to hire Monken now; but I don't think anyone who understands football thinks he is or would be a worse coach than CGC. Collins has won 10 games while he has been at GT, during that same time frame Monken has won 24 with a service academy roster, including a bowl win over Missouri. I can't even imagine Collins coaching a service academy to a winning season.
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I'm not making any arguments about Collins being a good coach. But Monken has lost to frigging Coastal Carolina and UTSA and you're trying to make the case that this is the guy we need? That's pretty damn stupid.
 
siggy said:
UTSA and Coastal are great programs. Jeff Traylor at UTSA is an incredible coach for a Texas program, and I assume with his Texas connections he'll be coaching at either TAMU or Texas inside of 5 years. Chadwell at Coastal is probably the best play caller in the nation, and I would take him here in a heartbeat
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You're right. How did I not see that those teams are better than Ole Miss and Clemson?
My God. Some of you are freaking delusional.
 
daBuzz said:
Dude. you're talking about replacing a 1-2 coach with a 1-2 coach who runs an offense that already proved it runs your talent off.

I loved Paul Johnson but you'd have to be a moron to not realize that it hurts your talent level in a program. The game announcers on ABC today were giving Collins hell all game but even they acknowledged that "everyone in the nation knew it was going to be a multi-year job to rebuild that roster". Also, the reason Johnson's offense worked was due to...Paul Johnson. None of his proteges have his ability to call plays like he does.

Going back to "the bone" would put the final nail in the program's coffin.
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When we brought the Bone to the Flats we won 20 games in the first two years. Why wouldn't we win going back to the bone a second time?
 
daBuzz said:
You're right. How did I not see that those teams are better than Ole Miss and Clemson?
My God. Some of you are freaking delusional.
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Army is probably as close to UTSA and Coastal as we are to Clemson and Ole Miss, talent wise. They lost by a combined 13 between those two games. I'd kill for those margins at this point, but I'd also rather hire Chadwell than Monken.
 
GTFLETCH said:
When we brought the Bone to the Flats we won 20 games in the first two years. Why wouldn't we win going back to the bone a second time?
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You conveniently forgot to mention that we had something like 8 or 9 multi-year NFL players on those 2008 and 2009 teams. Then from the last, what...6 or 7 seasons under Paul (ie...kids he recruited) we had a guard drafted, a punter. and a kicker? THAT would be why. Because the talent level does go down.

And Paul was the genius of the offense. The others don't have his skill at calling plays.

We've won 4 national championships at GT...one was during my time as a fan in 1990. We weren't running the "bone" then. How many NC's did we win running the flexbone?
 
daBuzz said:
I'm not making any arguments about Collins being a good coach. But Monken has lost to frigging Coastal Carolina and UTSA and you're trying to make the case that this is the guy we need? That's pretty damn stupid.
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We lost to citadel. Is the problem coaching or talent?
 
GTFLETCH said:
Over their past four games against Power 5 opposition, Collins’ Jackets have been outscored 183-10. After three full seasons under Collins, Tech still doesn’t do anything well. Whatever he’s doing, it’s not working. It’s not working to the extent you can’t imagine it ever working. Even the two-plus years of Bill Lewis weren’t this bad. IMHO Paul Johnson’s Tech teams always had Paul Johnson’s offense, we had hope! I hope they go after Jamey Chadwell or Jeff Monken!
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daBuzz said:
I'm not making any arguments about Collins being a good coach. But Monken has lost to frigging Coastal Carolina and UTSA and you're trying to make the case that this is the guy we need? That's pretty damn stupid.
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Yeah sure, I'm making the case that Monken is the guy we need, that what I mean when I say "I don't want us to hire Monken now". I think he clearly would have been a better hire to follow CPJ though. We need a guy who can unite the fan base and right now anyone has had any association with CPJ won't be able to do that. There is too much anti-CPJ sentiment still out there.
 
doyojob said:
Our best defensive player is Charlie Thomas, a CPJ signee. Several of our starters are CPJ signees. So explain how you think the talent is better under Coach Clown.
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And he's our best LB at 208 lbs. How many P5 teams do we play who's best LB is 208 lbs?
 
daBuzz said:
Coaching, IMO.

Johnson lost to MTSU. Was the problem coaching or talent?
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The PJ Fan Club conveniently forgets the home loss debacle to MTSU and the blowouts against Clemson and the mutts in the last couple of years as well as the team literally quitting in the We Suck Detroit Bowl.

Collins must go ASAP but no more option BS, no-defense coaches please.
 
daBuzz said:
Coaching, IMO.

Johnson lost to MTSU. Was the problem coaching or talent?
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The loss to mtsu was abnormal. Losing to teams like citadel is the new normal. Army has had double digits seasons under monken. I don't think we'd have beaten army any year that collins was here.
 
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