Just for Fun: Arguments for NOT expanding the playoffs

Discussion in 'Football' started by HurricaneJacket, Dec 7, 2019.

  1. CiraldoForever

    CiraldoForever Varsity Lurker

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2014
    Messages:
    378
    Loc:
    Mobile, Alabama
    Team:
    Georgia Tech
    The reason I want it expanded to include all Power 5 champs plus 3 others is because, under the four team system, if Tech wins the ACC with no losses --or maybe if any team wins the ACC with one loss-- that team could be left out for a one loss team from the SEC or some other conference. Until all P5 champs are guaranteed a spot, the playoffs will never be fair. A four team playoff system for five Power 5 conferences means an undefeated conference champ could be left out, and that makes the current system unacceptable.
     
  2. gtphd

    gtphd Very Stable

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2009
    Messages:
    17,096
    Loc:
    2 hours from Athens
    Team:
    Tech
    I just want to end the committee. College football is a sport, not a beauty contest.
     
    • Like Like x 7
  3. OptionJacket

    OptionJacket Varsity Lurker

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2017
    Messages:
    108
    Loc:
    Albany
    Team:
    GT
    It’s going to expand. The money is too great and last year we just got a small taste of players sitting out meaningless bowl games. This year you are going to see a lot of marquee players not in the playoffs sitting out - and that trend will continue to the point that the bowls will become worthless. Once they went from 2 to 4 it opened the door to 8 and will go to 16 as well. The money and interest is just to great for it to not happen. It’s not a matter of “if” but “when”.

    But to answer the op - there is no argument for it not to expand. For the “regular season won’t matter” crowd, it still will. Conference champs get auto bids and rivalries still exist. Sure, 2 loss SEC teams will get in, but that’s ok. Expansion is the only way for the little guy to make it and for a true champ to win it on the field.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  4. 18in32

    18in32 Petard Hoister

    Joined:
    May 23, 2010
    Messages:
    15,851
    Loc:
    Atlanta
    Team:
    Georgia Tech
    I think the current system is great... except that I would only allow conference champs in. If you're not the best team in your conf, how can you be the best team in the country?

    For people who say a flukey division loss can keep the best team out... then let the conferences change their rules so that whomever they think is the best team gets to play in the conf champ game (or select a conf champ however they want).

    But if you aren't the best team in your conference, even according to your own conference, you can't be the best team in the country. Simple, country boy logic.
     
    • Like Like x 5
  5. gtphd

    gtphd Very Stable

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2009
    Messages:
    17,096
    Loc:
    2 hours from Athens
    Team:
    Tech
    Washington Nationals.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  6. ramblin57

    ramblin57 Varsity Lurker

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2016
    Messages:
    171
    Loc:
    Atlanta, GA
    Team:
    Georgia Tech
    Money
     
  7. KrazieJacket

    KrazieJacket Dodd-Like

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2002
    Messages:
    7,229
    Loc:
    Panama City, Florida
    Team:
    GT
    Not going to happen
     
  8. gt2690b

    gt2690b Dodd-Like

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2010
    Messages:
    3,757
    Loc:
    Highlands Ranch
    Team:
    GT
    Imagine if it was only 2 teams this year... they’d potentially leave out 2 out of 3 defending undefeated national champions because sec
     
    • Like Like x 1
  9. Flywheel

    Flywheel What year is it?

    Joined:
    May 10, 2007
    Messages:
    11,902
    Loc:
    Tau Ceti
    Team:
    Georgia Tech
    It wasn't long ago that the SEC had Bama, Auburn, Miss St, and Ole Miss ranked 1-4. The talk was whether they could get 3 in rather than 2. They cried foul when only Bama got in and then all 4 lost their postseason games, some of them by big margins. (Thanks JT5)
     
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2019
    • Like Like x 2
  10. gtphd

    gtphd Very Stable

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2009
    Messages:
    17,096
    Loc:
    2 hours from Athens
    Team:
    Tech
    A girl can dream
     
  11. 77GTFan

    77GTFan Dodd-Like

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2004
    Messages:
    6,909
    Loc:
    North Carolina
    Team:
    Georgia Tech
    I completely agree with the conference championship argument. The highest ranked four conference champions get in. If we had eight teams in this year there would be serious arguments over who gets in. For me I would go with Oregon, App State, Memphis and Boise State - all conference champs, only Oregon with two losses. Of course that is not who would get in if we expanded to eight. I predict Oregon would be joined by Georgia, Alabama and Penn State. No thanks.

    To your argument regarding the best team kept out of a conference championship game, I suggest doing away with divisions in the large conferences. Let the schools themselves pick three permanent opponents each. Let the conference cycle the other schools on to your schedule. Play eight or nine conference games. Let the two highest ranked teams play for the championship. This in effect gets two good teams into the championship games. Those games provide a play-in to the playoffs. Will there be some rematches? Yes. But Oklahoma-Baylor was a recent rematch and it was an entertaining game.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. fatmike91

    fatmike91 Varsity Lurker

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2011
    Messages:
    366
    Loc:
    New York City
    Team:
    Yellow Jackets
    This year is a great example of 4 working perfectly. If only two, there would be unbelievable controversy right now. So 4 solves that.

    We don't need 8. Think of this weekend's games as the play in:

    - #4 Dawgs lost. They're out.
    - #5 Utah lost. They're out.
    - #7 Baylor lost. They're out.
    - #8 Wisky lost. They're out.

    Who do we need to see more of this year? A two loss Alabama team? A two loss Utah team? Oh, I know let's put a two loss Dawg team in...

    The only controversy left is how to seed the four teams.

    /
     
    • Like Like x 4
  13. texstinger

    texstinger Dodd-Like

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2002
    Messages:
    8,660
    Loc:
    Atlanta, Ga.
    Team:
    Ga. Tech
    Some good points about players sitting out.

    But 16 teams? This isn’t like the BB tourney where teams can play twice a week. Season would last too long.
     
  14. atlanta jacket

    atlanta jacket Banned (Temporary) Ban Hammer'd

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2007
    Messages:
    6,554
    Loc:
    atlanta ga
    Team:
    georgia tech
    The way it is has worked out, not broke dont fix it. Raising it to 8 teams would do one thing MORE MONEY. In the end MONEY will ruin college sports.
     
  15. atlanta jacket

    atlanta jacket Banned (Temporary) Ban Hammer'd

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2007
    Messages:
    6,554
    Loc:
    atlanta ga
    Team:
    georgia tech
    What has the committee done wrong since its inception
     
  16. 18in32

    18in32 Petard Hoister

    Joined:
    May 23, 2010
    Messages:
    15,851
    Loc:
    Atlanta
    Team:
    Georgia Tech
    I am too ignorant ofMLB to know what you’re saying here
     
  17. gtphd

    gtphd Very Stable

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2009
    Messages:
    17,096
    Loc:
    2 hours from Athens
    Team:
    Tech
    In 2017 they proved that its not guaranteed to make the playoffs despite winning all games.

    In 2018, they proved that its not guaranteed despite winning all games for two seasons and beating Auburn.

    Regardless of your opinion of UCF, the committee proved that the playoffs are rigged towards certain teams.
     
  18. gtphd

    gtphd Very Stable

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2009
    Messages:
    17,096
    Loc:
    2 hours from Athens
    Team:
    Tech
    Nationals are world champions of baseball despite coming in second in the NL East.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  19. KrazieJacket

    KrazieJacket Dodd-Like

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2002
    Messages:
    7,229
    Loc:
    Panama City, Florida
    Team:
    GT
    We don’t care and UCF would never win a playoff.
     
  20. KrazieJacket

    KrazieJacket Dodd-Like

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2002
    Messages:
    7,229
    Loc:
    Panama City, Florida
    Team:
    GT
    Do you really want to remove what makes college football special? I am sure your answer is yes.