Lil Joe arrested for DUI and hit and run...

BuzzCzar said:
well, i cant speak for everyone, but i think most of you gave Chan a raw deal and if we dont win 7 games next year, then i think we took a step back when we were moving forward (though no one seems to agree with me that we were moving forward). in any case, most of the time, people would say things like "when OLeary was here..." which was total BS, and it would piss me off. now, there is proof that there was no difference in the kids based on the coach, just that they were able to hide it better (apparently). And to say that Chan was not a disciplinarian is weird considering that we had very few kids get in trouble during his time here.

anyway, yes i think Chan is a good man and tried to do his best for Tech, but many of our fans just didnt appreciate the guy. note that the cowboys have yet to win a playoff game since he was fired there, and the Dolphins also took a step backwards. i hope we dont take that long to get back on track

and JoeHam is still one of my favorite players for Tech as well; and as far as what the worst offense is that he committed i think it is clearly the hit and run, not the weed or the booze. Hit and run shows total lack of concern for the other driver, not just making decisions for yourself.
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So you're trying to blame O'Leary for the actions of one of his former players 10 YEARS AFTER HE LEFT SCHOOL?

This somehow proves that O'Leary wasn't a disciplinarian?

Are you insane?
 
I agree with the post about showing Joe some grace here. This reminds me of David Thompson and NC State - a hero with serious issues. I am not a Pack fan, but I do like the way the Pack has stayed behind DT and kept him in the family.

First, we need to pray for Joe. This is pretty serious stuff. It would not hurt to pray for the young kids who loved #14 and hear about this sad incident. That would include my 19 year old who idolized "Little Joe".

Second, I would supoprt Joe going to rehab with backing from GT. I don't know how often Joe drinks, drinks and drives, or smokes pot. But, to mess up your life with such bad choices so soon after getting a great job at your alma mater - you do have issues. It would not hurt Joe as a person, nor hurt him in the eyes of legal authorities, for him to take this with the utmost seriousness. But, most important, he needs the personal and spiritual insights that a good program could provide him.

Third, I would not fire him. I would give him another chance. But, I would strongly consider changing some of his duties. If Joe deals with his wrongdoing in a mature fashion he can move on to a good and productive life. But, in the short run I would have him doing something for us other than being a counselor to athletes.
 
As long as they make him go to rehab and document his progress there and put him on a very short leash then i dont see a problem giving a second chance i just dont see that happening especially since he was preparing kids for college life. Although that is what college is about for alot of people.
 
" Let ye without sin cast the first stone " Joe needs our support more than ever. He's FAMILY and should be treated as such !!!!
 
77GTFan said:
I agree with the post about showing Joe some grace here. This reminds me of David Thompson and NC State - a hero with serious issues. I am not a Pack fan, but I do like the way the Pack has stayed behind DT and kept him in the family.
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I have no problem with cutting Joe some slack. The UGA fans will probably be piling on, but we shouldn't be joining them. And by now I think we should have learned to be wary of piling on UGA or any other college sports program. Unfortunately, the problem of alcohol and drug abuse among our country's youth and young adults is pervasive.

First, we need to pray for Joe. This is pretty serious stuff. It would not hurt to pray for the young kids who loved #14 and hear about this sad incident. That would include my 19 year old who idolized "Little Joe".
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To this, I would add a sincere Amen.

Second, I would supoprt Joe going to rehab with backing from GT. I don't know how often Joe drinks, drinks and drives, or smokes pot. But, to mess up your life with such bad choices so soon after getting a great job at your alma mater - you do have issues. It would not hurt Joe as a person, nor hurt him in the eyes of legal authorities, for him to take this with the utmost seriousness. But, most important, he needs the personal and spiritual insights that a good program could provide him.
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This is a great thought. I would hope that Joe and GT think so also. This is such a good thought that it reminds me of the Total Person program for athletes that Homer Rice developed. IMHO, it should be an integral part of our athletic program now and evermore.

Third, I would not fire him. I would give him another chance. But, I would strongly consider changing some of his duties. If Joe deals with his wrongdoing in a mature fashion he can move on to a good and productive life. But, in the short run I would have him doing something for us other than being a counselor to athletes.
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Here I reluctantly disagree. I would fire him. But hey, what do I know about managing such a dire situation? I'm sure PJ & Drad will know what to do and the best way to go about doing it.
 
nwgatech said:
Joe Ham has always been good to GT.

GT is being tested now to see if we are willing to step up and show this guy some good old fashioned grace.....
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While this is true, he is (currently) a GT employee and subject to many rules and regs. I can tell you that any other GT employee would lose their job over this in heartbeat - regardless of their status.

It is truly a shame, but if you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough.

BBR
 
Big Bubba Ray said:
While this is true, he is (currently) a GT employee and subject to many rules and regs. I can tell you that any other GT employee would lose their job over this in heartbeat - regardless of their status.

It is truly a shame, but if you're going to be stupid, you'd better be tough.

BBR
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Actually I doubt that's true. You're saying that if a guy in the steam plant did the same thing he would be fired? I don't believe that.

What we can't do is have Joe stay in a position that works with players and recruits. That doesn't mean Tech has to fire him if there is something we can do to support him while he puts things right.
 
I attended my first Ga Tech game in 1971 and have been a faithful fan ever since. Joe Hamilton is my all-time favorite GT player. You just have to hope that he gets this facet of his life straightened out. He will be back with the program one day...just not soon.
 
ncjacket said:
Actually I doubt that's true. You're saying that if a guy in the steam plant did the same thing he would be fired? I don't believe that.

What we can't do is have Joe stay in a position that works with players and recruits. That doesn't mean Tech has to fire him if there is something we can do to support him while he puts things right.
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I agree!! Yesterday I was so pissed and dissapointed I thought he should be fired, but after sleeping on it I think we should stand by him like he has us. Give him a different position/responsibilities but keep him on staff. Have him go through some conseling/rehab or whatever and track his progress. Who knows, in a couple years it could be one of those feel good stories..
 
goldmember said:
So you're trying to blame O'Leary for the actions of one of his former players 10 YEARS AFTER HE LEFT SCHOOL?

This somehow proves that O'Leary wasn't a disciplinarian?

Are you insane?
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first off, goldmember, dont be so reactionary. i dont think i said blame anywhere in the post or assigned blame anywhere in the post other than to the reactionary internet posters who dont know crap about the program but spout off like they do. they repeat whatever they hear and for a long time it was how gailey was not enough of a disciplinarian ... like oleary had been (they would say).

and if you think that Joe smokes weed and drinks now, but didnt in college, then you are a very naive person

the only point it proves, though, is that internet fans' PERCEPTION is WRONG about BOTH GAILEY AND OLEARY.. and i knew and liked them both. spoke to George a bunch of times about all kinds of stuff, knew a lot of players not following the rules also... take it for what its worth, but certainly i am not blaming OLeary. i do think its better to have an attempt at an honest exchange than constantly forcing others to hide themselves or fear reprisal. In childhood development (which includes parenting and coaching) there is a clear accepted distinction between authoritative leadership and authoritarian. the former is much preferred in terms of producing the desired result, but OLeary was the latter. Gailey was probably a bit too permissive. Let hope Johnson is just right
 
I don't know why all you folks are defending him. The guy's a bumb. We give him the job of a lifetime and he's driving around on campus drinking, smoking, and running into others. I doubt very seriously anyone would be defending him if he'd run into your family member. Get a cab, ride a bike, walk; all of those are good alternatives to drinking and driving at twice the legal limit.

And all the rehab talk makes me laugh. Why is it that everytime something bad happens with alcohol everyone starts chanting rehab? As if rehab is the cure for everything... I think the guy from Grey's Anatomy decided to go to rehab after making a racial slur.

Bottom line: We don't need him... time to move on.
 
dodd_54 said:
I don't know why all you folks are defending him. The guy's a bumb. We give him the job of a lifetime and he's driving around on campus drinking, smoking, and running into others. I doubt very seriously anyone would be defending him if he'd run into your family member. Get a cab, ride a bike, walk; all of those are good alternatives to drinking and driving at twice the legal limit.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354401,00.html

I'll bet this guy wishes he had gotten pulled over by the cops for driving erratically.
 
What an absurd discussion. The guy is 31 years old, he ran from a crime he committed, he was breaking a law -drug use- that goes to serious sports issues at every level. And you want to cut him slack? I hope the judge throws the book at him, I don't care how much fun he was at quarterback.
 
BuzzCzar said:
well, i cant speak for everyone, but i think most of you gave Chan a raw deal and if we dont win 7 games next year, then i think we took a step back when we were moving forward (though no one seems to agree with me that we were moving forward).
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Inappropriate plug of Chan. What is your definition of "moving forward"? We got a HUGE upgrade at the Head Coaching spot. He runs an entirely different offense. I'm giving him this year to adjust but I have high confidence that he will succeed much better than Chan ever did.

Sometimes you have to take a step back in order to make a huge leap forward. See Bobby Ross.
 
BarrelORum said:
Inappropriate plug of Chan. What is your definition of "moving forward"? We got a HUGE upgrade at the Head Coaching spot. He runs an entirely different offense. I'm giving him this year to adjust but I have high confidence that he will succeed much better than Chan ever did.

Sometimes you have to take a step back in order to make a huge leap forward. See Bobby Ross.
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Chan ran an entirely different offense from OLeary, yet he got 7 wins without 2 Div-II schools on the schedule. he lost an entire recruiting class, and still got 7 wins. he had to work with two marginal talents at QB and still won 7 games.. so, i think 7 games should be a standard

IMO we were moving forward in that: a) we made the ACC Championship game; b) recruiting was improving every year; c) we started being more consistent against teams that we should beat, while still upsetting some that we were not expected to beat... i could go on, but it is pointless, most of you made up your minds upon reading of his hiring

i am not making any judgement on whether Johnson is better/worse at all. i like the choice (i was rooting for Cutcliffe, personally) but i really like Johnson's persona and i think he has a serious upside. it may be good for Tech to run a "unique" offense, we will see over time. i am all for Johnson outperforming Gailey, but to me that includes consistently not losing a bunch of games in ANY year, including this coming season. if we dont win 7 with Duke, jax st, and Gardner-Webb on the schedule then we have problems!
 
I heard the damage to the other guy's car was actually done by O'Leary's buffet table.
 
BuzzCzar said:
Chan ran an entirely different offense from OLeary, yet he got 7 wins without 2 Div-II schools on the schedule. he lost an entire recruiting class, and still got 7 wins. he had to work with two marginal talents at QB and still won 7 games.. so, i think 7 games should be a standard
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For goodness sake man, just drop it. You have got to be the most annoying person on this board, and considering GTKyle is active on this board that really saying something. Just let it go, he's gone, he's not coming back, and even if you're right a few years from now, no one is going to give a damn because whats done is done.
 
RamblinPeck said:
For goodness sake man, just drop it. You have got to be the most annoying person on this board, and considering GTKyle is active on this board that really saying something. Just let it go, he's gone, he's not coming back, and even if you're right a few years from now, no one is going to give a damn because whats done is done.
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i dont know why you are so offended. i agree with what you say that we move on and i basically say that too. i dont think i have made a single post on this board saying that we should NOT have let Gailey go. i just dont like it that people try to stick him with knives every chance they get. and as far as annoying you, tough ****, dont read my posts. i was responding to a direct question from another poster. there is an ignore button, if you choose to use it. RamblinPecker. facts are facts. all i did was state facts. now give me 7 wins CPJ!

Go Jackets!!
 
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