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jacket67 said:
It's more complicated than that. The academics do hurt recruiting, and it has been consistent through multiple coaching changes and schemes. The reason the CPJ offense has been a benefit to some tough academic programs is that it makes better use of the smarter, overlooked athletes and the athletes that fit better in that system. I think it makes logical sense that the system itself has a negative impact on recruitment of NFL-type prospects who don't want to be sidetracked in their career playing here. I am hopeful that a traditional scheme and CGC's recruiting efforts will improve the program, but I suspect we might end up with some slightly better athletes, improvements on defense, but a significantly less effective offense, and no real change in our W/L records.
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These CPJ apologists are getting old. Not sure why we can’t call a spade a spade around here? Clearly the system we ran under CPJ had a major impact with recruiting. It’s not that there aren’t other challenges at Tech, but that was a major factor that immediately disqualified us with a lot of recruits. We were very easy to negatively recruit against for everyone else under CPJ.
 
BranMart said:
If you can't see that the program has declined steadily since 2014, and CPJ couldn't do anything about it then you are blind.

2008- 2014 CPJ may have been able to, but 2018 CPJ looked exhausted and over it more often than not.

And it if weren't for a special kicker in 2014, that year wouldn't have been as memorable.
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What is telling to me is that CPJ actually retired. I don't think he retires if he thinks the 2019 team is gonna win the ACC. Then again, he might have just been over it.

2014 wouldn't have been memorable with JT too. Thats like saying "X championship team wouldn't have been as good with Y special player" and if you are implying about the 2014 uga game, the game was closer than it should have been after a 14 point swing on the missed touchdown(or at least forward progress) on the "fumble" return. We could have easily won that game going away.
 
WracerX said:
I don’t remember anyone saying the scheme didn’t harm recruiting. But people said we didn’t need as highly ranked guys if they fit our system. For example, shorter OL who just aren’t going to get looks at the elite level.

That said, CGC can recruit. Even running the option, I would expect him to out recruit CPJ. Some guys just have it. Like James Franklin saying he wanted to see the assistant coach’s wives. Because an ugly guy with a hot wife knows how to sell.
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Somebody hire @05GTCorndog stat!
 
JoeCakeEater said:
These CPJ apologists are getting old. Not sure why we can’t call a spade a spade around here? Clearly the system we ran under CPJ had a major impact with recruiting. It’s not that there aren’t other challenges at Tech, but that was a major factor that immediately disqualified us with a lot of recruits. We were very easy to negatively recruit against for everyone else under CPJ.
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I mean, the HS coaches come right out and say it (that the scheme hurt recruiting) and still there is denial. It's bizarre.

I'm just glad the days of GA Southern/service-academy football are over for us.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
I mean, the HS coaches come right out and say it (that the scheme hurt recruiting) and still there is denial. It's bizarre.

I'm just glad the days of GA Southern/service-academy football are over for us.
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What I see is a bunch of people just talking past each other. In reality you're both right, and it's just splitting hairs. I think it's pretty obvious that running the option will eliminate us from consideration from some recruits. It's also the only reason we got Justin Thomas. I'm sure that the overall effect was negative, but it's also one of a million factors that affect recruiting. I still stand by the point that an excellent recruiter could absolutely bring in top notch players to play in the option system, but Paul Johnson is not that person so we may never know.

And I think we are all pretty aware of how glad you are to be done with option football. I'm an optimist so I'm 100% on board with CGC and am excited about the prospect of improved recruiting and some positive changes to the program. But I wouldn't bet a dime on the next coach being more successful than Paul Johnson, and I don't mean that as a slam against Geoff Collins at all. I think he was absolutely the right hire, especially if we wanted to get away from the option. I just think it will be incredibly difficult to win 11 games at GT, much less do it twice. I'd love nothing more to be wrong though, and like I said I'm always going to be optimistic about it.
 
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johncu said:
What I see is a bunch of people just talking past each other. In reality you're both right, and it's just splitting hairs. I think it's pretty obvious that running the option will eliminate us from consideration from some recruits. It's also the only reason we got Justin Thomas. I'm sure that the overall effect was negative, but it's also one of a million factors that affect recruiting. I still stand by the point that an excellent recruiter could absolutely bring in top notch players to play in the option system, but Paul Johnson is not that person so we may never know.

And I think we are all pretty aware of how glad you are to be done with option football. I'm an optimist so I'm 100% on board with CGC and am excited about the prospect of improved recruiting and some positive changes to the program. But I wouldn't bet a dime on the next coach being more successful than Paul Johnson, and I don't mean that as a slam against Geoff Collins at all. I think he was absolutely the right hire, especially if we wanted to get away from the option.
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I think CGC was the best choice, but he was also the safe choice. If he doesn’t pan out, Monken will still be available imho.
 
One thing is for certain: we’ve got a coach that is going to recruit better than anyone we’ve ever had. I expect top 25 next year and top 10 from there on out. If we don’t get it, I think we can safely say academics and the Hill restrict us from recruiting at the level to compete for championships
 
BuzzLaw said:
One thing is for certain: we’ve got a coach that is going to recruit better than anyone we’ve ever had. I expect top 25 next year and top 10 from there on out. If we don’t get it, I think we can safely say academics and the Hill restrict us from recruiting at the level to compete for championships[/QUOTE
Hope your expectations meet reality but I see a reasonable expectation to be top 40
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BuzzLaw said:
One thing is for certain: we’ve got a coach that is going to recruit better than anyone we’ve ever had. I expect top 25 next year and top 10 from there on out. If we don’t get it, I think we can safely say academics and the Hill restrict us from recruiting at the level to compete for championships
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I think this is the best model going. Get a HC who can recruit and motivate. If the D is failing, dump the DC and try again. Same for the O. No big time program killing buyouts. If the coordinators move up, good that means your program is doing well.

So long as the HC can manage a program, you are in good shape. You have to have a HC who won’t stay tied to a failing staff member either. Notre Dame and Penn State have gone this route and made it work.
 
johncu said:
What I see is a bunch of people just talking past each other. In reality you're both right, and it's just splitting hairs. I think it's pretty obvious that running the option will eliminate us from consideration from some recruits. It's also the only reason we got Justin Thomas. I'm sure that the overall effect was negative, but it's also one of a million factors that affect recruiting. I still stand by the point that an excellent recruiter could absolutely bring in top notch players to play in the option system, but Paul Johnson is not that person so we may never know.

And I think we are all pretty aware of how glad you are to be done with option football. I'm an optimist so I'm 100% on board with CGC and am excited about the prospect of improved recruiting and some positive changes to the program. But I wouldn't bet a dime on the next coach being more successful than Paul Johnson, and I don't mean that as a slam against Geoff Collins at all. I think he was absolutely the right hire, especially if we wanted to get away from the option. I just think it will be incredibly difficult to win 11 games at GT, much less do it twice. I'd love nothing more to be wrong though, and like I said I'm always going to be optimistic about it.
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I agree with all that except that I personally think CGC gives us a better chance to win 11 games than CPJ was going to from this point going forward, which is the main reason I'm happy for this change. 2014 was the high-water mark for CPJ and even that season had 3 losses.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
I agree with all that except that I personally think CGC gives us a better chance to win 11 games than CPJ was going to from this point going forward, which is the main reason I'm happy for this change. 2014 was the high-water mark for CPJ and even that season had 3 losses.
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I think that's fair. I'm not sure if I agree, but I don't think it's an unreasonable statement because CPJ was obviously getting burnt out. I think the Bobinski years really wore him down. That asshole even made 2014 difficult for CPJ.
 
WracerX said:
I think this is the best model going. Get a HC who can recruit and motivate. If the D is failing, dump the DC and try again. Same for the O. No big time program killing buyouts. If the coordinators move up, good that means your program is doing well.

So long as the HC can manage a program, you are in good shape. You have to have a HC who won’t stay tied to a failing staff member either. Notre Dame and Penn State have gone this route and made it work.
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Is it a model that works for non-factory schools though? I get that it worked great for Alabama, Clemson, UGA, etc. but how many schools that are like us at all have had success with that model?
 
johncu said:
Is it a model that works for non-factory schools though? I get that it worked great for Alabama, Clemson, UGA, etc. but how many schools that are like us at all have had success with that model?
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Not sure how much it has been tried at our level. BC cleaned out their coordinators a few years back but kept the dude. UNC is about to try the same thing but with a retread. Honestly, Stanford pulled it off, but without replacing their coordinators.

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I think ATM is trying this route. Auburn appears to out of necessity. I think Richt got fired for refusing to cut coordinators.

We’ll see. CGC has the right attitude. TS has to find him the budget necessary to make it work. As a plus, I think CGC will have an outstanding defense which will transcend coordinators.
 
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johncu said:
I think that's fair. I'm not sure if I agree, but I don't think it's an unreasonable statement because CPJ was obviously getting burnt out. I think the Bobinski years really wore him down. That asshole even made 2014 difficult for CPJ.
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Can you believe Bobinski made $600k/year as our AD?
 
BuzzLaw said:
One thing is for certain: we’ve got a coach that is going to recruit better than anyone we’ve ever had. I expect top 25 next year and top 10 from there on out. If we don’t get it, I think we can safely say academics and the Hill restrict us from recruiting at the level to compete for championships
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Top 10 is silly. If we can consistently be in the top 25 recruiting, CGC will have worked miracles. I think he can do it.
 
BackstreetBuzz said:
Top 10 is silly. If we can consistently be in the top 25 recruiting, CGC will have worked miracles. I think he can do it.
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Do you seriously think CGC can’t recruit at a top 10 level if you remove any educational/Hill restrictions? We’re in Atlanta in a talent rich state. I think he’d be in the top 5 actually.

That being said, I do agree top 25 would be great.
 
BuzzLaw said:
if you remove any educational/Hill restrictions?
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