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jacket67 said:
This is my take as well. CGC's enthusiasm, diplomacy, and personality is a stark contrast to CPJ's surly media interactions.
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PJ's interactions early on were good but he faced more questions and criticisms right off the bat about his system and if it could work, etc. PJ was getting negativity almost from the start. Collins checks off the boxes for the media - they said PJ didn't like/couldn't recruit (which also wasn't accurate); Collins' strength is recruiting. For tools and gasbags like Bradley and that equally talentless hack Cunningham - not to mention the sports talk hammer heads - Collins is the kind of guy they've been screaming for, because they never liked the triple, it couldn't work at this level, you can't recruit for it, yada yada yada. They stuck to their tired old lines such as "you see it every day in practice on defense, so..." which also weren't true (and to hear these TV analysts who played and should know better continue to regurgitate that just grates on me).

What was interesting to me was hearing Collins talk about this class and each guy was a high character kid with athletic ability and versatility.
And they weren't his recruits. The previous staff put that class together. Collins managed to keep most of those guys together, but the recruits - like they have in previous classes - got in touch with each other and stayed in contact and formed bonds. Like the man said, commit to the school, not the coach.
I went back and found an interview with one of the signees done around the time he made his commitment to Tech in late summer. He talked about how the coaches got on him and stayed on him and how they sold not just Tech and the education but the city of Atlanta to him too.
You know, some people act like Collins has discovered fire and brought it to the cavemen. But that fire was there all along. And it's been put to use.
 
BranMart said:
And it if weren't for a special kicker in 2014, that year wouldn't have been as memorable.
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If it weren't for a special kicker in 1990, that year wouldn't have been as memorable either.

For that matter, 2001 Miami is considered by many to be the most talented college team ever, and they (too) trounced Nebraska in the bowl game to win the national championship. But they also beat VT by just two points in the final game of the regular season. Good thing they had a kicker, too.

Every great team has close wins and depends on all its players. Denigrating 2014 because we had a great kicker is dumb.
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
GT: 2002 - 2007

No ACC championships. No Orange Bowls. Great defense. Great special teams.

GT: 2008 - 2017

1 ACC championship. 2 Orange Bowls.
ööööty defense. Even worse special teams.


Nailed it, bro.
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Wow

I didn't know GT only started playing CFB when Chan got here, didn't GOL win a Co-ACC Title

Didn't Boss Ross win an ACC Title

After all those 08 to 17 accomplishments you listed above how did TPR (the previous regime) do at finishing the job by following it up with the best recruiting possible given we're GT?

80% of what makes a college HC successful is recruiting, so if TPR didn't follow up with strong recruiting then let's stop acting as if he did a great job here----- over 11 years he was a 7.5 wins and 5.5 losses kinda HC

Higher highs than Chan, but much LOWER LOWS

I leave by using one of TPR's phrases, IIWII
 
BigDanT said:
True. Best worst case senario is Collins gets better than Chan level recruits and we can re-do 2009 and 2014
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But the best case scenario is Collins is so successful that in four years Notre Dame, or Ohio State, or Alabama come calling to hire him away.
 
Yukonwreck said:
But the best case scenario is Collins is so successful that in four years Notre Dame, or Ohio State, or Alabama come calling to hire him away.
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I'd take a season that resulted in a trip to the CFP and a shot at a natty if it meant possibly losing the HC. We've not been in that discussion for 30 years.
 
gtleviathan said:
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I think that’s the point. There are those of us, myself included, that believe we can’t competitively recruit due to academic/Hill restrictions. The general consensus is CGC can recruit lights out. Therefore, we are about to find out how bad those restrictions actually affect us. I place the bar at 10th. For every place out of 10th we find ourself, that’s not on CGC, it’s on the school. If we stay where we’ve been under PJ and Chan, then we’d better hope Monken will come make us respectable because he will be our only hope.
 
BuzzLaw said:
I think that’s the point. There are those of us, myself included, that believe we can’t competitively recruit due to academic/Hill restrictions. The general consensus is CGC can recruit lights out. Therefore, we are about to find out how bad those restrictions actually affect us. I place the bar at 10th. For every place out of 10th we find ourself, that’s not on CGC, it’s on the school. If we stay where we’ve been under PJ and Chan, then we’d better hope Monken will come make us respectable because he will be our only hope.
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Wait you are saying the only thing barring GT from being a perrenial top 10 team is academic restrictions/entry requirements? And not only that but Collins at GT without restrictions is a lock to get us to 10th in the country?

There is no coach on earth who will make you happy.
 
GTCrew4b said:
Wait you are saying the only thing barring GT from being a perrenial top 10 team is academic restrictions/entry requirements? And not only that but Collins at GT without restrictions is a lock to get us to 10th in the country?

There is no coach on earth who will make you happy.
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Whatever. I was happy with PJ. I’m not unhappy with GC

But yeah, why would GT not be able to compete with Bama or anyone else? We are in Atlanta.
 
GTCrew4b said:
Wait you are saying the only thing barring GT from being a perrenial top 10 team is academic restrictions/entry requirements?
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Exactly... so what's the excuse for all those teams that don't have academic restrictions?

'Academics' has become a ridiculous excuse around here. If you want a better football team, buy more tickets, give more money, build some waterslides, etc. There's plenty to be done despite the academic situation.
 
18in32 said:
Exactly... so what's the excuse for all those teams that don't have academic restrictions?

'Academics' has become a ridiculous excuse around here. If you want a better football team, buy more tickets, give more money, build some waterslides, etc. There's plenty to be done despite the academic situation.
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Agreed. The 2 and 3-star athletes CPJ recruited weren't markedly smarter and more academically-qualified than the 4 and 5-star athletes he was unable to sign.

It's a lazy excuse.
 
BuzzLaw said:
Whatever. I was happy with PJ. I’m not unhappy with GC

But yeah, why would GT not be able to compete with Bama or anyone else? We are in Atlanta.
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Because we are an order of magnitude smaller in student body and alumni base.

Our school’s culture is not as centrally focused on football.

Our president hires are not based on how they promote sports.

Our school has a reputation in its own city and state of being elitist and white. Which it will not get rid of because it is an academically challenging school.

These are facts of the school that you can choose to ignore at the peril of your own happiness when it comes to rooting for it. We simply WILL NEVER BE a perrenial top 10 team unless we engage in rampant cheating. Look at Miami. That is what GT could be without academic restrictions. Their only true success came about due to rampant cheating.
 
GTCrew4b said:
Because we are an order of magnitude smaller in student body and alumni base.

Our school’s culture is not as centrally focused on football.

Our president hires are not based on how they promote sports.

Our school has a reputation in its own city and state of being elitist and white. Which it will not get rid of because it is an academically challenging school.

These are facts of the school that you can choose to ignore at the peril of your own happiness when it comes to rooting for it. We simply WILL NEVER BE a perrenial top 10 team unless we engage in rampant cheating. Look at Miami. That is what GT could be without academic restrictions. Their only true success came about due to rampant cheating.
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I swear I am SO FRICKIN tired of the 'we can't' fans. You're like my 7 year old daughter who's afraid to try her bike without training wheels. You want to stay right as you are, don't want to take any risks, don't want to improve, and have your litany of excuses ready. And I mean it is literally a damn litany that some of you have memorized like religious dogma. It's not enough for you to say we're not the same as Bama. You are prepared to do battle with sword in hand against anyone with a glimmer of optimism to argue AGAINST your own team's potential. It would make sense if we had come off 10 straight losing seasons, but I have to assume instead it can only be explained by the internalized misery of the personalities of some of you.
 
No I’m an incredibly optimistic person. I root like hell for us to do well but I’m not going to say that out bar for success without academic restrictions is top 10 every year. That is lunacy given the landscape of college football today.

I have stated my minimum level of success for a GT football coach to keep his job: a playoff contender every 4-5 years, 1/3 against UGA, top half of ACC. That would be among the best results of GT coaches all time and it’s my minimum acceptance level.
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
Agreed. The 2 and 3-star athletes CPJ recruited weren't markedly smarter and more academically-qualified than the 4 and 5-star athletes he was unable to sign.

It's a lazy excuse.
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Yes they were. CPJ has a very high graduate % and it’s also nice to look on our sideline and be able to read the names on the back of the jerseys (less the mop-hair) Was also glad to know our players wouldn’t taunt a teams band while running out on the field like UM did this year. Time will tell if coach Waffle House gets similar players.
 
GTlee said:
Yes they were. CPJ has a very high graduate % and it’s also nice to look on our sideline and be able to read the names on the back of the jerseys (less the mop-hair) Was also glad to know our players wouldn’t taunt a teams band while running out on the field like UM did this year. Time will tell if coach Waffle House gets similar players.
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You sound so ööööing old
 
RamblinWreck92 said:
Agreed. The 2 and 3-star athletes CPJ recruited weren't markedly smarter and more academically-qualified than the 4 and 5-star athletes he was unable to sign.

It's a lazy excuse.
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It isn't *just* a matter of the academic qualifications of the SAs we are recruiting. The "restrictions" we suffer under also include our limited set of degree programs. Those folks "but Stanford" folks always ignore the fact that Stanford has over 50 liberal arts degree programs and GT has something like 5.

The degree program restriction is far more of an issue than a SA's academic qualifications in my opinion.
 
coit said:
It isn't *just* a matter of the academic qualifications of the SAs we are recruiting. The "restrictions" we suffer under also include our limited set of degree programs. Those folks "but Stanford" folks always ignore the fact that Stanford has over 50 liberal arts degree programs and GT has something like 5.

The degree program restriction is far more of an issue than a SA's academic qualifications in my opinion.
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I agree with that but to just blanketly label anyone with 4-stars or above as dumber than the 2-and-3-stars is naive, not that you've done this btw. The vast majority of recruits from seasons past were snagged from mostly mid-major or lower programs. We weren't flipping Duke, Vandy, and Northwestern guys.
 
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