New ACC 2024-2030 Schedule Release Tonight

[midatlantech]

Duke, NC and NCS pulled off a coup: good ticket sales, easy travel… but the also are all weak to middle quality teams that get to slightly avoid the better teams.

 

[USCJacket]

It isn’t so much the schools themselves, but the almost overt disdain for the non-Tobacco Road schools that comes out of the league offices. The prevailing mindset has been, and will be, that the “basketball first” schools and the longest league tenured schools will always have favor.

And this is another reason why the 2 perceived “blue blood” football programs in FSU, Clemson are doing whatever it takes to bolt to the SEC.

No one cares about hoops from a TV standpoint.

 

[donsue]

And this is another reason why the 2 perceived “blue blood” football programs in FSU, Clemson are doing whatever it takes to bolt to the SEC.

No one cares about hoops from a TV standpoint.

Exactly my point…and is why the ACC can’t get out of its own way

 

[QuadF]

I'm curious if those emphasizing the wins aspect want us to avoid the sec and join a worse conference

 

[juraitwaluzka]

I'm curious if those emphasizing the wins aspect want us to avoid the sec and join a worse conference

I doubt it, those aren't realistic scenarios, we aren't joining the SEC or a worse conference anytime soon if ever, it's a silly argument to even have.

If we think about it in terms of what it is that is actually happening now - ACC scheduling changes - our ACC schedule is potentially easier than if we had Clemson, FSU every year for example. That is, statistically speaking, likely to result in more ACC wins. That means it is more likely to play in the ACC championship game, that means it is more likely to make the playoffs. All of these are good things vs having tougher conference games and losing them (the statistically more likely outcome). You play to win championships (conference or otherwise), I'm not going to bemoan something that might give us some kind of better chance to get there. It certainly won't give us a worse chance of getting there. If the wins come, everything else takes care of itself - more fans, more attendance, more tv, more revenue etc... Hell, just being ranked gets you those things. Wins are the most valuable tool to generate hype and hype is the top currency for that.

Everyone wants the same thing in the end. My take is that there are two main views on how to get there. One way is just to get more wins, the other way is through more revenue via more attendance, tv etc, brought on by who we play, a more indirect approach. In some respects that seems more like the cuck approach "please come play us oh great teams, we can't possibly become good or popular any other way, we can't do it without you oh great ones".

We gotta remember, this is Tech here and now, not in the 50's, we have no weight throw around and we are always going to be an underdog program compared to the factories. We need every advantage we can muster. That's generally how it has been for a very long time. A masochist approach to scheduling is not going to help in that regard.

 

[THWG247]

I doubt it, those aren't realistic scenarios, we aren't joining the SEC or a worse conference anytime soon if ever, it's a silly argument to even have.

If we think about it in terms of what it is that is actually happening now - ACC scheduling changes - our ACC schedule is potentially easier than if we had Clemson, FSU every year for example. That is, statistically speaking, likely to result in more ACC wins. That means it is more likely to play in the ACC championship game, that means it is more likely to make the playoffs. All of these are good things vs having tougher conference games and losing them (the statistically more likely outcome). You play to win championships (conference or otherwise), I'm not going to bemoan something that might give us some kind of better chance to get there. It certainly won't give us a worse chance of getting there. If the wins come, everything else takes care of itself - more fans, more attendance, more tv, more revenue etc... Hell, just being ranked gets you those things. Wins are the most valuable tool to generate hype and hype is the top currency for that.

Everyone wants the same thing in the end. My take is that there are two main views on how to get there. One way is just to get more wins, the other way is through more revenue via more attendance, tv etc, brought on by who we play, a more indirect approach. In some respects that seems more like the cuck approach "please come play us oh great teams, we can't possibly become good or popular any other way, we can't do it without you oh great ones".

We gotta remember, this is Tech here and now, not in the 50's, we have no weight throw around and we are always going to be an underdog program compared to the factories. We need every advantage we can muster. That's generally how it has been for a very long time. A masochist approach to scheduling is not going to help in that regard.

We have apprx 10 years or so to get our sh!t together as a program to try and get into the BIG, playing a random ACC schedule hopefully will help in the win dept.

 

[gtchief]

I doubt it, those aren't realistic scenarios, we aren't joining the SEC or a worse conference anytime soon if ever, it's a silly argument to even have.

If we think about it in terms of what it is that is actually happening now - ACC scheduling changes - our ACC schedule is potentially easier than if we had Clemson, FSU every year for example. That is, statistically speaking, likely to result in more ACC wins. That means it is more likely to play in the ACC championship game, that means it is more likely to make the playoffs. All of these are good things vs having tougher conference games and losing them (the statistically more likely outcome). You play to win championships (conference or otherwise), I'm not going to bemoan something that might give us some kind of better chance to get there. It certainly won't give us a worse chance of getting there. If the wins come, everything else takes care of itself - more fans, more attendance, more tv, more revenue etc... Hell, just being ranked gets you those things. Wins are the most valuable tool to generate hype and hype is the top currency for that.

Everyone wants the same thing in the end. My take is that there are two main views on how to get there. One way is just to get more wins, the other way is through more revenue via more attendance, tv etc, brought on by who we play, a more indirect approach. In some respects that seems more like the cuck approach "please come play us oh great teams, we can't possibly become good or popular any other way, we can't do it without you oh great ones".

We gotta remember, this is Tech here and now, not in the 50's, we have no weight throw around and we are always going to be an underdog program compared to the factories. We need every advantage we can muster. That's generally how it has been for a very long time. A masochist approach to scheduling is not going to help in that regard.

Frealz. Clemson and FSU are idiots for protecting each other. Same for VPI and Miami. Wanting to play compelling matchups against good competition is such a cuck strat. Dodging the good teams is alpha af. We'd be undefeated right now if only we didn't schedule them. Looking forward to all the hypothetical championships and Playoffs now that that roadblock is out of the way.

History has proven I'm right. Dropping the SEC schedule was the best move our program has made. Who cares who we play? Like I've always said, we should strive to be MIT Monday through Friday and Duke on Saturday. Let's be the Boise Sate of the South.

Sidenote, I've noticed my farts smell really good lately. Anyone else? It must be my superior Tech degree.

 

[juraitwaluzka]

Frealz. Clemson and FSU are idiots for protecting each other. Same for VPI and Miami. Wanting to play compelling matchups against good competition is such a cuck strat. Dodging the good teams is alpha af. We'd be undefeated right now if only we didn't schedule them. Looking forward to all the hypothetical championships and Playoffs now that that roadblock is out of the way.

History has proven I'm right. Dropping the SEC schedule was the best move our program has made. Who cares who we play? Like I've always said, we should strive to be MIT Monday through Friday and Duke on Saturday. Let's be the Boise Sate of the South.

Sidenote, I've noticed my farts smell really good lately. Anyone else? It must be my superior Tech degree.

None of this is relevant to what I wrote, this is just a dumb emotional take completely devoid of the details of what is actually going on.

We aren't dodging anybody, we're playing the schedule that the ACC is giving us, which happens to, statistically speaking, be eaiser. Anyone with the tech degree should be able to understand this. It's nothing more than that, there's no yearning to become Boise State. The display of estrogen is certainly not alpha af.

Trying to compare an ACC scheduling change for 2024 to us going independent from the SEC 50 years ago when times were such that there was only a game or two on TV on any given Saturday is ridiculous. Completely different situations.

 

[gtchief]

None of this is relevant to what I wrote, this is just a dumb emotional take completely devoid of the details of what is actually going on.

Here's the details of what's going on. We dropped our guaranteed high viewership, high attendance conference game and you spin it with some "ummm hypothetically" poindexter logic about that magically translating into success. Big brains.

We aren't dodging anybody, we're playing the schedule that the ACC is giving us, which happens to, statistically speaking, be eaiser. Anyone with the tech degree should be able to understand this. It's nothing more than that, there's no yearning to become Boise State. The display of estrogen is certainly not alpha af.

You're proving you do in fact really know the details. We specifically didn't request any protections. The schedule wasn't just "given" to us. More "statistically speaking, akshually".

Trying to compare an ACC scheduling change for 2024 to us going independent from the SEC 50 years ago when times were such that there was only a game or two on TV on any given Saturday is ridiculous. Completely different situations.

That's because the logical conclusion of what you want would be to drop the uG game to maximize our wins and be shocked no one watches us play an irrelevant schedule in a now G7 ACC after higher viewership teams get poached. All because Tech is somehow above tapping into other teams for viewership even if they're a little harder. Poor little us.

 

[OptionJacket]

I'm curious if those emphasizing the wins aspect want us to avoid the sec and join a worse conference

Not all all. But if we got in the SEC would we want to play UGA and Bama every year or play UGA and Miss St? That’s all we’re talking about.

If those of you who want losses with a sold out stadium every week it’s real easy - go independent and suck. Then we could fill up Bobby Dodd every week with ND, UGA, Bama, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc. All those teams would love a trip into the Atlanta recruiting scene and they all have large alumni living in the metro area. Those coaches would love to attend a bunch of high school games on Friday night and then have an easy 38-10 win on Saturday and visit with alum to raise NIL before they fly home. We could even let them set up an alumni tent on Tech green to visit with recruits and rich donors. We’d sell out every game that way.

 

[QuadF]

Not all all. But if we got in the SEC would we want to play UGA and Bama every year or play UGA and Miss St? That’s all we’re talking about.

If those of you who want losses with a sold out stadium every week it’s real easy - go independent and suck. Then we could fill up Bobby Dodd every week with ND, UGA, Bama, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc. All those teams would love a trip into the Atlanta recruiting scene and they all have large alumni living in the metro area. Those coaches would love to attend a bunch of high school games on Friday night and then have an easy 38-10 win on Saturday and visit with alum to raise NIL before they fly home. We could even let them set up an alumni tent on Tech green to visit with recruits and rich donors. We’d sell out every game that way.

What leads to better long terms success: sold out stadiums where you maybe lose but get more money from ticket and tv revenues or winning against nobodies that the players and fans don't care about anyway?

Then consider how the bowling green and unc games went this year.

 

[gtchief]

What leads to better long terms success: sold out stadiums where you maybe lose but get more money from ticket and tv revenues or winning against nobodies that the players and fans don't care about anyway?

Then consider how the bowling green and unc games went this year.

You don't think Vandy and Northwestern should leave their conferences for more wins? Isn't the point to win and get championships? Won't they have better odds elsewhere?

 

[juraitwaluzka]

What leads to better long terms success: sold out stadiums where you maybe lose but get more money from ticket and tv revenues or winning against nobodies that the players and fans don't care about anyway?

Then consider how the bowling green and unc games went this year.

It's a good point, but I'm not sure that's the best way to frame the question. The thing that has the greatest impact on long term success for the program is winning, however that is achieved. There is more than one way to get there. If the scenario is that the conference we are in consists of FSU, Clemson and the rest are nobodies that no one cares about and and we can't possibly be successful without them, then playing nobodies is the limiter to our being successful which means the conversation is moot and our fate is sealed anyway as no matter what we do we will be playing mostly nobodies even if we had Clemson every year. I'm not interested in any leave the ACC discussions because it's nothing that is going to happen any time soon, so who gives a öööö, that's not reality. Play the schedule now, focus on winning those games and if you are hell bent on having sold out stadiums due to better opposition then schedule as many tough out of conference games as you can get, drop any FCS schools etc... Those who are rant whining about ACC scheduling minutiae are being hyperbolic and absurd with ridiculous "joining div III is the endpoint" nonsense.

 

[QuadF]

You don't think Vandy and Northwestern should leave their conferences for more wins? Isn't the point to win and get championships? Won't they have better odds elsewhere?

Teams move to harder conferences and divisions to get more money. You get money by playing games people want to see. You can get money/interest by winning against nobodies (see TCU, BSU, etc.), but it's really hard to win like that. It's easier/more sustainable to get money by playing teams with fanbases that travel well (clemson, uga) and will want to watch your games on tv (large opponent fanbases) and during an inevitable down year you will still have good income.

There's a strong correlation between winning and money. Whether it's NIL, facilities, quality coaches, etc you need it to sustain the program.

 

[USCJacket]

You don't think Vandy and Northwestern should leave their conferences for more wins? Isn't the point to win and get championships? Won't they have better odds elsewhere?

Vandy and NW are getting a boat load of $$$ to be in the SEC / B1G. Vandy’s success in baseball at least warrants them some respect, and despite all the NW / Fitz turmoil and players leaving, they are sitting at 4-4 and have a shot to win all 4 remaining games. This could end up NW’s best team since 2018 when they went 9-5.

Unless relegation / promotion ever happens in CFB, those 2 schools are sitting pretty.

 

[QuadF]

Vandy and NW are getting a boat load of $$$ to be in the SEC / B1G. Vandy’s success in baseball at least warrants them some respect, and despite all the NW / Fitz turmoil and players leaving, they are sitting at 4-4 and have a shot to win all 4 remaining games. This could end up NW’s best team since 2018 when they went 9-5.

Unless relegation / promotion ever happens in CFB, those 2 schools are sitting pretty.

I don't think we have to settle for being a vandy. I think we could end up being Auburn and it's not a bad place to be.

 

[USCJacket]

I don't think we have to settle for being a vandy. I think we could end up being Auburn and it's not a bad place to be.

Very fair. If GT can make it into that middle tier like an Auburn, Tennessee, or even Mizzou for comparison then GT could be an 8-10 annual win program in the ACC. Pretty much where GT, VT, and even Miami should be.

 

[midatlantech]

I don’t like dropping Clemson. When you notice that you could dictate how often you play other ACC schools, we could have weakened our schedule a bit in other ways.
I personally think Duke v UNC v NCS helps tv ratings and interest. This makes Tech more money.
I definitely think Pittv Cuse v BC does the same.
Other than Clem we really don’t have any ACC natural rivals (FSU made it clear they don’t want us). By sitting alone now, it makes it easier for another conference to pull us out.
And our schedule was too difficult to get to the playoffs. 2 loss teams are making the playoffs now. We have a definite chance.
Lastly we can still play ND, UGA, SEC2 occassionally now.