official 2009/ 2010 recruiting thread

Calvin forever said:
So best I can tell we have 3 scholie's left with with our top 4 wants being (in no particular order):

S. Green
A. Williams
T. Cornelious
R. White

What happens if all 4 of these guys want to verbal to us this summer? Would we hold one offer until attrition opens up one more spot, or would we accept the verbal commitment understanding that we would likely lose someone before signing day (such as Dwyer going pro)?
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We will still take 4 more. At least 1 player will leave early for the NFL, unless something crazy happens..
 
GTland03 said:
We will still take 4 more. At least 1 player will leave early for the NFL, unless something crazy happens..
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Or leave the team/transfer like what occurred over the previous spring.
Or (god-forbid) receive an injury that prevents them from playing football. We had on last year, even though it was a senior.
 
I think the staff is banking on attrition, how much is to be determined.

So there is some wiggle room.
 
GTLiebs said:
Or (god-forbid) receive an injury that prevents them from playing football. We had on last year, even though it was a senior.
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Dumb question here. We do not honor our scholarships if someone gets career ending injury? Say we had Herzlich on our team -- his scholarship would have been given to someone else? I hope I am misreading Liebs here and that we still honor scholarships even if someone has a medical illness that eliminates him from the football field.
 
BuzzMD said:
Dumb question here. We do not honor our scholarships if someone gets career ending injury? Say we had Herzlich on our team -- his scholarship would have been given to someone else? I hope I am misreading Liebs here and that we still honor scholarships even if someone has a medical illness that eliminates him from the football field.
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i think that usually they get an exception and you can give them a scholly that doesnt count against your total.
 
BuzzMD said:
Dumb question here. We do not honor our scholarships if someone gets career ending injury? Say we had Herzlich on our team -- his scholarship would have been given to someone else? I hope I am misreading Liebs here and that we still honor scholarships even if someone has a medical illness that eliminates him from the football field.
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Good point, I don't have a clue about that. As I said, the person who had such and injury last year was a senior so that example can't tell us. Czar makes a good point though, NCAA is typically pretty nice to injured football players. At least it has seemed so to me in my experience.
 
Ah, thanks Czar. I do not know all the rules about scholarships -- and what Liebs was suggesting to me sounded horrible.
 
Not just you Liebs -- have seen hivered mention scholarship opening up with injuries as well -- but I just quoted you for my question.
 
GTLiebs said:
Good point, I don't have a clue about that. As I said, the person who had such and injury last year was a senior so that example can't tell us. Czar makes a good point though, NCAA is typically pretty nice to injured football players. At least it has seemed so to me in my experience.
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http://studentathletes.info/can-my-scholarship-be-cancelled-or-reduced
All institutions providing athletically related financial aid to student athletes cannot reduce or cancel any financial aid on the basis of a student athlete’s athletics ability, performance or contribution to a team’s success (or any other athletics reason). Also, the scholarship cannot be reduced or cancelled because of an injury, illness, or physical or mental medical condition (unless the student athlete voluntarily withdraws him or herself).
 
Just because a kid is comitted to a school doesn't mean other schools should back down, although they typically do. Recruiters make offers to players regardless if they are comitted or not because you never know what may happen with the player's grades, the coaching staff or a myriad of other possibilities. It's better to get your foot in the door in case an opprotunity presents itself down the road.
 
BuzzCzar said:
http://studentathletes.info/can-my-scholarship-be-cancelled-or-reduced
All institutions providing athletically related financial aid to student athletes cannot reduce or cancel any financial aid on the basis of a student athlete’s athletics ability, performance or contribution to a team’s success (or any other athletics reason). Also, the scholarship cannot be reduced or cancelled because of an injury, illness, or physical or mental medical condition (unless the student athlete voluntarily withdraws him or herself).
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Czar, but as has been mentioned before-- schollies are only 1 year offers -- so this just means that the current year will be upheld. In my reading of this (not a lawyer, just a layperson) this does not eliminate the ability of a school to not renew the scholly next year -- which I still think would be horrible.
 
BuzzMD said:
Czar, but as has been mentioned before-- schollies are only 1 year offers -- so this just means that the current year will be upheld. In my reading of this (not a lawyer, just a layperson) this does not eliminate the ability of a school to not renew the scholly next year -- which I still think would be horrible.
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after consideration, i concur with your analysis

i got this from a message board (so take it FWIW), and it affirms what i was remembering...

If an athlete can't stay on the team due to injury, the school has the option to offer the student a 'medical retirement scholarship'. Those are funded by the athletic department (not the team's scholarship budget), and it then allows the team to recruit another scholarship athlete. The school is not obligated to offer a medical scholarship, but most student-athletes who leave teams on good terms are given one.
http://collegegymnasticsboard.yuku....-Gymnastics-Collegiate-Career-Percentage.html
 
BuzzCzar said:
after consideration, i concur with your analysis

i got this from a message board (so take it FWIW), and it affirms what i was remembering...

If an athlete can't stay on the team due to injury, the school has the option to offer the student a 'medical retirement scholarship'. Those are funded by the athletic department (not the team's scholarship budget), and it then allows the team to recruit another scholarship athlete. The school is not obligated to offer a medical scholarship, but most student-athletes who leave teams on good terms are given one.
http://collegegymnasticsboard.yuku....-Gymnastics-Collegiate-Career-Percentage.html
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Makes sense to me. With the general rarity of these events along with the typical budgets of athletic departments it seems very plausible.
 
They will probably find some other form of aid that is equal to use for the injured player other than one of the football schollys.
 
like any other contract, it depends what it says. The ncaa has requirements for what these contracts have to say. Even if a contract is a "one-year" contract, that does not mean the school can pull the scholarship unconditionally. For example, you cannot have your scholarship pulled for being bad at the sport. The ncaa considers this the coach's fault for recruiting you. You can, however, have it pulled if you suck, are told by the coaches you suck, and then you decide you do not want to show up anymore. The key is you have to not show up anymore. I know this is not exactly what you guys are saying, but it does go along with the underlying idea schools like Ole Miss have when they sign 37 players to a class. They expect some not to qualify, and they expect some of their current players to "decide not to play" any more. Nothing from this regime even remotely suggests that is a practice, which is good. But, it is a practice some places.
 
here you go Eric

here you go, i posted in the thread
 
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carober18 said:
like any other contract, it depends what it says. The ncaa has requirements for what these contracts have to say. Even if a contract is a "one-year" contract, that does not mean the school can pull the scholarship unconditionally. For example, you cannot have your scholarship pulled for being bad at the sport. The ncaa considers this the coach's fault for recruiting you. You can, however, have it pulled if you suck, are told by the coaches you suck, and then you decide you do not want to show up anymore. The key is you have to not show up anymore. I know this is not exactly what you guys are saying, but it does go along with the underlying idea schools like Ole Miss have when they sign 37 players to a class. They expect some not to qualify, and they expect some of their current players to "decide not to play" any more. Nothing from this regime even remotely suggests that is a practice, which is good. But, it is a practice some places.
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some schools make women sign additional contracts that say things like that they forfeit their scholarship if they get pregnant. this has led to some atheletes terminating their pregnancies to keep the scholarship. there are currently proposals tot he NCAA to deal with these concerns
 
According to Rivals.com
Denzel Mccoy 4*
Barry Bostic 4*
Ryan Ayers 4*
Isaiah Johnson 4*
Charles Perkins 3*
Fred Holton 3*

Unrated as of now
Caitlan Alford
Morgan Bailey
Shawn Green
 
gt23eric said:
According to Rivals.com

Unrated as of now
Caitlan Alford
Morgan Bailey
Shawn Green
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Shawn Green 3*
Morgan Bailey 3*
Catlin Alford 2* (Will jump to 3* in late rankings)

Working on getting film of Alford..
 
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