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USCJacket said:
Miami (Oh) also didn't have the ball only 6 minutes in the 1st half with the following 1st half drives after 14-0:

3 plays, 2 yards (1:28) - punt.
3 plays, -1 yards (0.50) - punt.
5 plays, 8 yards (1:02) - botched punt.
8 plays, 32 yards (1:53) - punt.

Let’s keep it going into the 2nd half shall we?

8 plays, 62 yards (3:28) - Downs. (Couldn’t convert on 3rd & 4th and less than 1).
2 plays, 19 yards (0.39) - Pick 6.
8 plays, 81 yards - TD.

So after going up 14-0, it took the offense 7 possessions (which also provided BG 7 points on the INT) to score another point. Yet it’s all the defenses fault? Some of you are blind to reality.
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Blaming the offense for our woeful defense. That is the pinnacle of deflectioning! An offense is going to have some off games and need to rely on the defense to win some games occasionally. Kind of like what happened in last night's game with Miami.
 
stingmeyall said:
Blaming the offense for our woeful defense. That is the pinnacle of deflectioning! An offense is going to have some off games and need to rely on the defense to win some games occasionally. Kind of like what happened in last night's game with Miami.
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Yep. Defense came through last night. Wasn't pretty, but the interceptions and fumble are do to hard work and coaching. Our defense put in 100% effort last night.
 
stingmeyall said:
Blaming the offense for our woeful defense. That is the pinnacle of deflectioning! An offense is going to have some off games and need to rely on the defense to win some games occasionally. Kind of like what happened in last night's game with Miami.
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Dude, the offense couldn’t move the ball on a MAC level team. That is not deflecting, that’s simply stating facts backed up by the actual drive logs. And when the players come out after the game and say things like “we didn’t take them seriously“ that applies to both sides of the ball.

Don’t act like the offense hasn’t been inept at times. 2nd half vs UofL, multiple times @ Wake when gifted great field position after Wake turned the ball over numerous times.

The program is definitely still in a rebuild mode along the LOS on both sides of the ball, and numerous other positions on both sides of the ball need more talent whether from recruiting or the Portal.
 
USCJacket said:
Dude, the offense couldn’t move the ball on a MAC level team. That is not deflecting, that’s simply stating facts backed up by the actual drive logs. And when the players come out after the game and say things like “we didn’t take them seriously“ that applies to both sides of the ball.

Don’t act like the offense hasn’t been inept at times. 2nd half vs UofL, multiple times @ Wake when gifted great field position after Wake turned the ball over numerous times.

The program is definitely still in a rebuild mode along the LOS on both sides of the ball, and numerous other positions on both sides of the ball need more talent whether from recruiting or the Portal.
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Dude. Yes, the offense has sputtered at times but come on. We have a defense ranked near the bottom in many statistics. Our offense, while maybe not a juggernaut, is not near the bottom of the rankings. Stats (facts) don't lie.
 
stingmeyall said:
Dude. Yes, the offense has sputtered at times but come on. We have a defense ranked near the bottom in many statistics. Our offense, while maybe not a juggernaut, is not near the bottom of the rankings. Stats (facts) don't lie.
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Just because one thing is bad doesn't make something else good; it's not a zero sum. The issue isn't the average, it's the floor, which has been about equally bad for offense and defense. Defense has just spent more time on the floor. The offense HAS to improve on that or any improvement on the defensive side will be meaningless for winning games.

Consider a standpoint of expectations as well. When your head coach has spent their entire career coaching the offensive side of the ball, the expectation for where the floor should be is going to be different than the defense.
 
stingmeyall said:
Dude. Yes, the offense has sputtered at times but come on. We have a defense ranked near the bottom in many statistics. Our offense, while maybe not a juggernaut, is not near the bottom of the rankings. Stats (facts) don't lie.
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I’m not disagreeing with the stats related to the defense, but look at the offense in context outside of the BG game.

1. UofL - Outside of the 2nd quarter, the offense couldn’t do much in the 2nd half and the fumble return for a TD ended up costing GT a real shot at the win.

2. Ole Miss - GT managed 10 points offense through 3 quarters against a bad Ole Miss D. The D kept them in the game, and GT got within 7 at 24-17 mid 4th and then everything went sideways.

3. Wake - GT O was given plenty of chances to turn the game into a blowout and just couldn’t put Wake away late in the 1st half, and squandered chances in the 2nd half to make the 4th quarter relaxing to watch.

The overall team has holes and I won’t disagree that the D has more holes. This has been GT’s issue for the better part of the last 15 years.

As I’ve said before, year 2 under CBK will really show what the future will look like. I fully expect improvement on both sides of the ball in 2024. Year 2 in this offense and a new DC with hopefully some key Portal additions.

Good news overall regarding the D is, it could be much worse. Look at how bad LSU, USC, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Baylor etc are with all the resources they have at their disposal.
 
USCJacket said:
I’m not disagreeing with the stats related to the defense, but look at the offense in context outside of the BG game.

1. UofL - Outside of the 2nd quarter, the offense couldn’t do much in the 2nd half and the fumble return for a TD ended up costing GT a real shot at the win.

2. Ole Miss - GT managed 10 points offense through 3 quarters against a bad Ole Miss D. The D kept them in the game, and GT got within 7 at 24-17 mid 4th and then everything went sideways.

3. Wake - GT O was given plenty of chances to turn the game into a blowout and just couldn’t put Wake away late in the 1st half, and squandered chances in the 2nd half to make the 4th quarter relaxing to watch.

The overall team has holes and I won’t disagree that the D has more holes. This has been GT’s issue for the better part of the last 15 years.

As I’ve said before, year 2 under CBK will really show what the future will look like. I fully expect improvement on both sides of the ball in 2024. Year 2 in this offense and a new DC with hopefully some key Portal additions.

Good news overall regarding the D is, it could be much worse. Look at how bad LSU, USC, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Baylor etc are with all the resources they have at their disposal.
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I read a Saban comment from a couple years ago something to the effect that the old premise that defense wins championships is not as apt as it use to be. You need to be able to out offense your opponent in this new era of college football. Can't say I disagree but if you look at UGA for the last couple of years they have had a pretty dominant defense and an above average offense. I looked up GT's defensive numbers for the last decade and in 2013 we were in the top 30 in scoring defense. Other than that year we have been pretty below average. We have room for improvement in all facets.
 
stingmeyall said:
I read a Saban comment from a couple years ago something to the effect that the old premise that defense wins championships is not as apt as it use to be. You need to be able to out offense your opponent in this new era of college football. Can't say I disagree but if you look at UGA for the last couple of years they have had a pretty dominant defense and an above average offense. I looked up GT's defensive numbers for the last decade and in 2013 we were in the top 30 in scoring defense. Other than that year we have been pretty below average. We have room for improvement in all facets.
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Agreed. Which is why Oklahoma and now USC under Lincoln Riley will never win an NC until Riley gets out of his own way and changes DC and defensive recruiting philosophy, he’s just wasting elite talent at QB.

USC has struggled 2/3 games to put away ASU, Colorado and Arizona. Now the schedule ramps up for USC and a horrible defense. 5/6 are:

@ ND
Utah
Washington
@ Oregon
UCLA

You can have an elite offense, but if you don’t have even a middle tier defense, it’s proven to get exposed in the CFP. OU in 2017 season was as close as it gets to all O, no D winning an NC. They blew that CFP Semi finals game. In 2018, 2019 they were absolutely blown out in the CFP semis.

Difference between Clemson, Bama, LSU and that other team recently is balance on both sides of the ball. Elite on one side of the ball, good to great on the other side of the ball.
 
USCJacket said:
Dude, the offense couldn’t move the ball on a MAC level team. That is not deflecting, that’s simply stating facts backed up by the actual drive logs. And when the players come out after the game and say things like “we didn’t take them seriously“ that applies to both sides of the ball.

Don’t act like the offense hasn’t been inept at times. 2nd half vs UofL, multiple times @ Wake when gifted great field position after Wake turned the ball over numerous times.

The program is definitely still in a rebuild mode along the LOS on both sides of the ball, and numerous other positions on both sides of the ball need more talent whether from recruiting or the Portal.
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That offense “that couldn’t move” moved well enough to put up 450 yards and 31 points. Yes, they were flat for an extended span in the middle but 31 points - even the 27 we actually put on the board - should have been enough had the D just gotten a couple of stops in that span. IOW, that dysfunctional O still did plenty to win the game.
 
stinger78 said:
That offense “that couldn’t move” moved well enough to put up 450 yards and 31 points. Yes, they were flat for an extended span in the middle but 31 points - even the 27 we actually put on the board - should have been enough had the D just gotten a couple of stops in that span. IOW, that dysfunctional O still did plenty to win the game.
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The offense had the ball 6 total minutes in the 1st half. How is this continually ignored? When the TOP is that lopsided, it doesn’t matter what defense you have. GT also has 3 turnovers. So you keep putting the unit struggling back on the field bad things are going to happen. And in this game, without question did. And fwiw the last TD to get to 27 was with less than 1:45 in the game.

The final TOP for the game was BG 42:45, GT 17:15. Against a lower tier MAC level team the GT OL was getting pushed around. When you can’t keep the defense off the field bad things happen. Been a GT issue for 15 years.
 
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