Pat Fitzgerald allegations

MeatWrench said:
“Seems” or did is the heart of the contention about knee jerk. It seems.
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Knee jerk would have been firing before even more players came forward. My main point is that this isn't some woke mob. It looks like there might be racism stuff too, but it's primarily about some weird hazing öööö.
 
AmpuTECHture said:
This ain't it.

It seems he not only condoned but encouraged some pretty weird sexual hazing. If what (now) 11 players said is true, there's no way I would want him leading my football program. That's some weird öööö.
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This öööö goes on a lot more than you think
 
jts1207 said:
This öööö goes on a lot more than you think
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This. I remember hearing about elephant walks and other stupid öööö being done by high school teams. And zulus by rugby teams. The best part of this is going to be the fallout at other schools once their players who didn’t get playing time start going public with their hazing stories. Let’s hope it piles on Kirbs.
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
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an aside ... the guy in the middle is Mike Davis. He's a Georgia Southern grad and he's been working for Dale Jr. since he got out of college 20 some odd years ago. Great guy. Played hoops with him a few times back in our far younger days.
 
andrew said:
It definitely does but if that's the excuse for not punishing people for it then it will never stop. And really it should stop.
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You could legit find reasons to fire 95% of coaches if you look hard enough. The I got butthurt because I didn’t get to play so let me air my grievances is old
 
jts1207 said:
You could legit find reasons to fire 95% of coaches if you look hard enough. The I got butthurt because I didn’t get to play so let me air my grievances is old
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Whether a whistleblower's motives are pure or not shouldn't really matter if their claims appear to have merit. Obviously these things need to be carefully scrutinized, because there are always Ron Bells out there, but on the other end of the spectrum are fans who live in perpetual denial about what goes on in their program. See: the entire history of UGA sports.
 
Nehru Jacket said:
Maybe it’s a way of dealing with hidden homosexual feelings they have but don’t dare act on. They turn to bullying as a defense mechanism hoping that as they mature the feelings will disappear.
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Imagine it has everything to do with fear. In this case, most young guys fear something going into their butt more than just about anything.
 
jts1207 said:
You could legit find reasons to fire 95% of coaches if you look hard enough. The I got butthurt because I didn’t get to play so let me air my grievances is old
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I'm not really sure I understand this.

Are you saying that a culture of widespread sexual assault in a program over the course of multiple years is not a reason to fire a coach, or are you saying it is a legitimate reason to fire him but he should get a pass because the only reason we know about it is a "butthurt" player?
 
andrew said:
I'm not really sure I understand this.

Are you saying that a culture of widespread sexual assault in a program over the course of multiple years is not a reason to fire a coach, or are you saying it is a legitimate reason to fire him but he should get a pass because the only reason we know about it is a "butthurt" player?
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Is the sexual assault because they were “forced” to be naked and do stuff or the dry humping? Or both? I don’t understand cultures that use hazing to bond. I think it should be eliminated, but I also think the main way to make it stop is simply not participate. Or end it when you are in a position to end it.

Although I suppose getting the legendary coach fired who built it the program out of nothing first as a player and then as coach and forcing a mass exodus of players will also work. I can’t bring myself to believe it is as bad as the allegations are. Maybe I’m just too soft on the seriousness of sexual assault in the locker room.

The car wash thing sounds hilarious…but I can see how someone would not want to participate.

I believe people in college and professional sports are some of the most amoral people around. So it always surprises me the reaction to some of the things they do.
 
No one really knows what happened, but since we're all speculating, I lean towards most of it being embellished BS. With almost everything being cell phone recorded these days, I doubt this was an ongoing thing ala 1960's tradition. But the main reason is I have seen too many me too stories that turned out to be lies, and the inconsistency in how these stories are applied. (Urban Meyer is still got his annoucing gig and Kirby Smart must have an excellent consigliori to clean things up).
 
GTCrew4b said:
Is the sexual assault because they were “forced” to be naked and do stuff or the dry humping? Or both? I don’t understand cultures that use hazing to bond. I think it should be eliminated, but I also think the main way to make it stop is simply not participate. Or end it when you are in a position to end it.

Although I suppose getting the legendary coach fired who built it the program out of nothing first as a player and then as coach and forcing a mass exodus of players will also work. I can’t bring myself to believe it is as bad as the allegations are. Maybe I’m just too soft on the seriousness of sexual assault in the locker room.

The car wash thing sounds hilarious…but I can see how someone would not want to participate.

I believe people in college and professional sports are some of the most amoral people around. So it always surprises me the reaction to some of the things they do.
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I’m not sure how you reached your opinion that college and pro sports people are some of the most amoral people around. I would rate them somewhat in the middle. Slightly below truck drivers and teachers and slightly above insurance agents and bankers. As for the surprise of the reaction, how would you feel if you had invested time and money in this program and found out that this idiocy was being ignored if not encouraged?
 
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