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Remove the 2015 team that had an incredible # of injuries and CPJ's winning % looks better as well.

Not saying that you are doing this, but I guess that I'll never understand the number of posters that run down CPJ's tenure here with each and every post--you'd think he went 4-8 every year for a decade. Team did quite good with CPJ here and I look forward to seeing what CGC and company can do with a different approach (hopefully, he can go to 2 Orange Bowls in a decade as well). :)
IF YOU REMOVE ALL THE LOSSES AND BAD YEARS EVERYONE LOOKS GREAT. CPJ WAS A HORRIBLE COACH AND WE SHOULD ASK THE NCAA TO REDACT OUR BOWL WINS AS WELL AS THE WINS OVER THE DAWGS.

WE DID NOT ***WIN WITH SWAG*** AND THAT IS WHAT RECRUITS WANT @GT98 NOT VICTORIES.
 

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That's evident only in hindsight. Tech was picked to finish last in the ACC Coastal and Vegas had the over/under at 3 wins.

It was not apparent that guys like Nesbitt, Dwyer, and Thomas would be stars. Dwyer and Thomas showed promise in 2007 but they could've easily have turned out to be busts. Paul inherited a bunch of proven guys on defense, but the offense didn't have anyone proven outside of Andrew Gardner.

Y'all act like it was unsurprising that Paul took a 7 win team to a 9 win team his first year, but you can't find one person who predicted that before the 2008 season kicked off. There's a lot of revisionist history with Paul's first two years at Tech.
I am absolutely giving Paul credit for better coaching of Gailey’s players. I have always credited him as a genius at calling plays. I think the prediction had more to do with uncertainty of Paul running option than it had to do with the players.

Where Paul sucked was recruiting. And it got worse over time to the point where his skill at calling plays could no longer mask the Jimmy/Joe issues we were having.
 

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It's way too early to judge a new OC just two games into a complete overhaul. But I am a little concerned about a head coaching bringing a bunch of previous coaches with him to a new job, since it adds a more personal component to their relationship. It is harder to let an assistant coach go and bring in someone else if they have that kind of relationship. Hope we don't get stuck with another Sewak.
 

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Wat? CPJ’s first team has a number of top caliber players, including several players with long NFL careers. CPJ inherited a solid roster that the prior coach had pissed away with a öööö OC and inability to develop QB play.
There were huge gaps in the roster CPJ inherited. JfN was a beast; but not a P5 QB and would not have started for anyone else in P5 even though he proved to be a great option QB in CPJ's system. OL had to be pieced together with a walk on DL as a center. There were certainly some stars; but the roster was not solid.
 

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There were huge gaps in the roster CPJ inherited. JfN was a beast; but not a P5 QB and would not have started for anyone else in P5 even though he proved to be a great option QB in CPJ's system. OL had to be pieced together with a walk on DL as a center. There were certainly some stars; but the roster was not solid.
Fair enough. But in terms of that list of coaches, CPJ inherited a better roster than most.
 

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My goal is to be a repetitive drone on this board on the topic of the evils of unconstrained sexuality. There are other posters whose goal is to be a repetitive drone on the topic of how much CPJ sucked.

But I enjoyed many, many incredible moments in GT football under his tenure. And that's sufficient for me to have fond memories of the guy. (Then again, that's why I also have fond memories of CCG – Auburn, Miami, several months of 2006... Perhaps this observation renders my opinion worthless!)
 

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We didn't have to have a walk-on DL as center.
Bedford was definitely a walk on and won an award for it. I am pretty sure he started out on DL. Go back to 2008 and look at some of the posts on here about how excited everyone was about how that offense would run after we got an offense line.
 

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Bedford was definitely a walk on and won an award for it. I am pretty sure he started out on DL. Go back to 2008 and look at some of the posts on here about how excited everyone was about how that offense would run after we got an offense line.
I think @EffortWarrior79 did a great, phenomenal job, not trying to critique him. Just stating that there were players there capable, not to just say "oh no, nobody was there, we had zero talent there" like your post insinuates. It kinda takes away from both EW79 and the guys he beat out.
 

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My goal is to be a repetitive drone on this board on the topic of the evils of unconstrained sexuality. There are other posters whose goal is to be a repetitive drone on the topic of how much CPJ sucked.

But I enjoyed many, many incredible moments in GT football under his tenure. And that's sufficient for me to have fond memories of the guy. (Then again, that's why I also have fond memories of CCG – Auburn, Miami, several months of 2006... Perhaps this observation renders my opinion worthless!)
This is me. With the exception of Lewis, I’ve got some fond memories of each of our coaches (those for which I have been alive and old enough to remember) and each deserves respect for their time here.

But CPJ is but one of those. He is not the savior of Tech football. He was a solid coach while here who produced some great seasons and a few abysmal seasons. Tech football is not going to end with CPJ’s retirement.
 

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I wish @EffortWarrior79 would chime in on this one. Dude had a pretty sharp perspective on CPJ and a few of those early years with him. @JacketForLife has been dancing on CPJ’s grave since the retirement was announced, though I don’t really remember him posting much before then.
What constitutes a sharp perspective? I don't recall him being recruited by PJ
 

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I think @EffortWarrior79 did a great, phenomenal job, not trying to critique him. Just stating that there were players there capable, not to just say "oh no, nobody was there, we had zero talent there" like your post insinuates. It kinda takes away from both EW79 and the guys he beat out.
He did a great job; but there were very few bodies there for him to beat out. David Brown was recruited as a SDE (https://247sports.com/player/david-brown-45001/) want to guess what position he played?
 

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BUT ORANGES!!!

BUT 3/11 vs UGA!!!
And which coaches have a better record against UGA in the last 50? And the last time GT went to the Orange Bowl? I think that you don't have an understanding of what GT has done on the field on a historical basis since the 50s.

Yes, overall, I do think that he did quite good. Go back and look at the list--why do you think that GT has topped out with good coaches at 58-60% over the last 50 years? I'll give you a hint it ain't just the coach.

I enjoyed CPJ after the play not to lose of Channy. CPJ's deficiencies with defense and special teams was catching up to him against better opponents.

I'm excited to see what CGC and staff can do as well as they can answer a long held question of whether or not you can recruit to GT a high level on a more consistent basis versus an outlier year here or there. I'll be estatic if CGC takes us to 2 Orange Bowls in the next decade.
 

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Point I am getting at is that OL was very thin and CPJ had to convert players to patch it together. The roster he inherited was not solid.
That’s revisionist history. The players there were good, it wasn’t thin. I know for a fact.
 

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CCG 2006-2007 - 16-11, 1 ACCCG (L- WF 6-9), 0-2 bowls (Gator, Humanitarian)
CPJ 2008-2009 - 20-7, 1 ACCCG (W- CU 39-34), 0-2 bowls (CFA-Peach, Orange)

This is about as close as you can get at comparing the CCG to CPJ transition. If CPJ inherited better players, he seems to have done a bit more with them than CCG did.

What else can we do here -
CCG, 4 years prior to '06-'07- 14-12
CPJ, 4 years after '08-'09- 14-13

CPJ 2014- 11-3, 2015-2018- 14-13

In comparison, highs were higher under CPJ, and the lows were lower.

All said and done, CBR took us to the ultimate high, and CGO'L (34-14 from '98-'01) brought the most consistency.

I'd rank the 4 this way-

1A- O'Leary (Friedgen)
1B- Ross
3- Johnson
4- Gailey
 

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CCG 2006-2007 - 16-11, 1 ACCCG (L- WF 6-9), 0-2 bowls (Gator, Humanitarian)
CPJ 2008-2009 - 20-7, 1 ACCCG (W- CU 39-34), 0-2 bowls (CFA-Peach, Orange)

This is about as close as you can get at comparing the CCG to CPJ transition. If CPJ inherited better players, he seems to have done a bit more with them than CCG did.

What else can we do here -
CCG, 4 years prior to '06-'07- 14-12
CPJ, 4 years after '08-'09- 14-13

CPJ 2014- 11-3, 2015-2018- 14-13

In comparison, highs were higher under CPJ, and the lows were lower.

All said and done, CBR took us to the ultimate high, and CGO'L (34-14 from '98-'01) brought the most consistency.

I'd rank the 4 this way-

1A- O'Leary (Friedgen)
1B- Ross
3- Johnson
4- Gailey
Nice assessment. I'd agree.
 

18in32

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CCG 2006-2007 - 16-11, 1 ACCCG (L- WF 6-9), 0-2 bowls (Gator, Humanitarian)
CPJ 2008-2009 - 20-7, 1 ACCCG (W- CU 39-34), 0-2 bowls (CFA-Peach, Orange)

This is about as close as you can get at comparing the CCG to CPJ transition. If CPJ inherited better players, he seems to have done a bit more with them than CCG did.

What else can we do here -
CCG, 4 years prior to '06-'07- 14-12
CPJ, 4 years after '08-'09- 14-13

CPJ 2014- 11-3, 2015-2018- 14-13

In comparison, highs were higher under CPJ, and the lows were lower.

All said and done, CBR took us to the ultimate high, and CGO'L (34-14 from '98-'01) brought the most consistency.

I'd rank the 4 this way-

1A- O'Leary (Friedgen)
1B- Ross
3- Johnson
4- Gailey
A reasonable perspective... except that crushing UGA, winning the ACC, and winning a freaking NC put any coach above anyone else, no matter how the earlier or later seasons went. So Ross is easily and obviously our best coach since Dodd.
 
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