Paul Johnson needs to go

Diseqc said:
I'm hoping to start a conversation that leads to actual change so we don't lose because of wasted timeouts
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Conversations tend to work better when you're actually familiar with the subject at hand.
 
I don't understand how people seem to ignore the fact that the timeout play works every season, often multiple times. I would definitely sacrifice a friggin timeout for an extra possession, not to mention it makes defenses think twice about jumping the snap count on 4th down.
 
johncu said:
I don't understand how people seem to ignore the fact that the timeout play works every season, often multiple times. I would definitely sacrifice a friggin timeout for an extra possession, not to mention it makes defenses think twice about jumping the snap count on 4th down.
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In my recollection it's worked maybe once or twice in ten years. On several occasions the DL has jumped offsides and we've failed to snap the ball before they got back across the line.

That said, I also think CPJ usually calls this in the first half. Can't think of a time when he used this trick and it turned out that we really needed the time out.
 
18in32 said:
In my recollection it's worked maybe once or twice in ten years. On several occasions the DL has jumped offsides and we've failed to snap the ball before they got back across the line.

That said, I also think CPJ usually calls this in the first half. Can't think of a time when he used this trick and it turned out that we really needed the time out.
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Then you's a dummy. Works a lot.
 
I think what he is saying is that if you are merely trying to draw the defense offsides but aren't really intending to snap the ball, do NOT call a timeout on the play, especially in the second half because we may need that timeout for one last ditch shot at winning the game. Why are we taking the timeout at the 45 or so? We have an excellent punter. Does 5 yards matter more than that timeout? Take the damn penalty, punt 5 yards back, keep the time out.

If the opposing team ever gets the ball on their own 10 yard line with a minute left or so and us down 8 or less, y'all would appreciate having those 3 time outs.
 
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Diseqc said:
yeah, I've never seen the timeout play work either. has to have been called way more than 10 times though
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I've definitely never seen anyone on Stingtalk claim it never works either.
 
I guess you were all to drunk to remember all the times it's worked? (which is like, a lot)
I DO wish we'd run more plays from it, though, once the two ABs have already gone in motion. We've done that a couple times, but it seems those familiar with the "TO" play wouldn't be looking for a real play.
 
18in32 said:
In my recollection it's worked maybe once or twice in ten years. On several occasions the DL has jumped offsides and we've failed to snap the ball before they got back across the line.

That said, I also think CPJ usually calls this in the first half. Can't think of a time when he used this trick and it turned out that we really needed the time out.
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We rarely snap the ball when the DL jumps offsides. The guard or tackle is supposed to move and touch the offending DL. It works maybe once or twice a year.

It also works when the DL doesn't expect us to snap the ball and relax. Then we run a play. That happens every other year or so.
 
18in32 said:
In my recollection it's worked maybe once or twice in ten years. On several occasions the DL has jumped offsides and we've failed to snap the ball before they got back across the line.

That said, I also think CPJ usually calls this in the first half. Can't think of a time when he used this trick and it turned out that we really needed the time out.
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I wasn't joking when I said it worked three times in that one UNC game alone. So your recollection is definitely wrong. I would guess it's worked maybe fifteen times total since he's been here.

Plus, as WracerX alluded to, it helps slow down the DL's reaction time when we do go for it on fourth down beside they're so cognizant of the timeout play.
 
Despite the chance to get the D to jump offsides, CPJ states he uses this to see the defensive alignment and then perhaps set up a play during the TO.

IMO, success rate for this includes (a) times D jumped offsides on initial play + (b) times a successful play is executed post-TO. In that respect, I'd say there's a decent level of success. Of course, game situation would dictate if "success" is worth the TO.
 
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I think a lot of STers must smoke crack on 4th downs. The time out play has worked many times. Additionally, after motioning both A Backs on 4th down, we have gone ahead and run a play when the defense thinks we are just about to call a time out. I agree with what @beej67 said earlier, and I think both of these plays worked in the 2009 ACC CG. I seem to recall Anthony Allen running around the right end when Clemson thought we were just going to call a time out. But they've worked numerous times since then as well.
 
It does work a couple times a season, but I hate putting the team in a position where we are down timeouts at the end of halves.

It also does set up the 'hey we are trying to draw you off ... but we go for it anyways' surprise play.

The game it worked like 3 times was not UNC, but NCST
 
I used to be of the mindset that it never worked, but I started paying attention and found it to be quite effective. It works more than a couple times a season, I’d venture it works an average of once per game over the course of a season.

I do recall it working against UNC at least 3 times a few years ago. We seemed to be able to draw them offsides at will. Don’t recall NCST.
 
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