Paul Johnson needs to go

[JJacket]

I don't care of we do it or not. Either snap it if the opponent is at a line up disadvantage or take a 5 yard penalty.

 

[User 8976]

100% of the time, whenyousaybud öööös up quotes every time.

"Leave the money on the table"- your mom

 

[JJacket]

When we were playing UGAg, the famous Reggie/Nix throw it out of bounds play (Nix's fault, but that is not my point), I wanted us after the bad throw away to take our time and get a good play in. Does it matter 5 yards at that point? The clock was stopped. We needed a good play more than anything. If I were coaching that game, I would have called the offense over and gave them the situation and put in a good call.

 

[18in32]

Worked twice in the 2009 ACCCG.

Three times in the UNC game alone.

Uh, no... I just checked the 2009 ACCCG play-by-play, and Clemson was flagged for offsides once. (GT was flagged for three false starts, FWIW.) And I checked the UNC play-by-play, and UNC was never flagged for offsides at all. You guys have some sketchy memories.

It also works when the DL doesn't expect us to snap the ball and relax. Then we run a play. That happens every other year or so.

Is this the explanation for the disconnect between those of us who say it rarely works and those of us who say it works frequently? Some of you guys count it as working if CPJ snaps the ball after trying to lure the D offsides? I think it'd be a little hard to prove that the D had "relaxed," but I'm willing to give CPJ the benefit of the doubt. As long as we get the first down — by penalty, by snapping the ball, or after taking a TO — then I count it a success, whatever the mechanics.

The worry that others have expressed is that you try to lure them offsides, it rarely works, you take a TO, then you punt. That's really accomplished nothing but losing a TO. (As I said before, I don't recall CPJ ever doing this when it turned out we really needed the TO.)

 

[Akinji07]

yeah, I've never seen the timeout play work either. has to have been called way more than 10 times though

I've seen it work twice in one game against Clemson since CPJ's been here.

 

[Diseqc]

I dont know why i even bother posting real football threads over here. Yall always treat it like a casting call at the westin.

 

[andrew]

Uh, no... I just checked the 2009 ACCCG play-by-play, and Clemson was flagged for offsides once. (GT was flagged for three false starts, FWIW.) And I checked the UNC play-by-play, and UNC was never flagged for offsides at all. You guys have some sketchy memories.

I don't have time right now to look through all of our games against UNC and find the one it happened in, but I'm almost positive it did. I couldn't believe it when they fell for it the third time. I'll look it up after work.

 

[18in32]

I don't have time right now to look through all of our games against UNC and find the one it happened in, but I'm almost positive it did. I couldn't believe it when they fell for it the third time. I'll look it up after work.

Work? What is this work you speak of?
I thought you meant this year. I would be curious.

 

[andrew]

Work? What is this work you speak of?
I thought you meant this year. I would be curious.

I mean they jumped offsides and got penalized three times. I didn't mean this year, it was a few years ago.

Like I said, I estimate it's worked (where I define "worked" as resulted in a penalty) about fifteen times in the ten years or so CPJ has been here. That's only 1.5 times a year so it would still seem to work pretty rarely. I do believe it has other benefits as discussed above.

 

[Deke]

I should be working but instead I'm checking play-by-plays for 4th down offsides calls in 2017. #millennialsamirite?

Jax State (last TD drive)
http://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=400937455

Pitt (last possession of 2nd quarter)
http://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=400937473

Maybe if I'm truly bored, I'll start scouring previous years.

Edit: And I believe @05GTCorndog is correct that it was NC State, not UNC that it worked multiple times in the same drive (first TD drive in the second half). There was another offsides on 4th down earlier in the game, but it didn't result in a 1st down(?), so I'm not sure if it was the draw offsides play or not:
http://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=312740152

But maybe there was also a UNC game where it happened a bunch?

 

[Architorture23]

It was NC State not UNC.

But the point is that it is CPJ's way of looking at the defense and then calling a play. I'm guessing the huddle is something like "If they line up like X, run the motion and then run this play. If they line up anything other than X, we'll call a timeout."

 

[WracerX]

I'm assuming we call the TO and save the 5 yards to slow the D on the punt. The D can try to time the snap and risk offsides on 4th and 7. On 4th and 2 they have to be more careful.

 

[andrew]

It was NC State not UNC.

But the point is that it is CPJ's way of looking at the defense and then calling a play. I'm guessing the huddle is something like "If they line up like X, run the motion and then run this play. If they line up anything other than X, we'll call a timeout."

Ah, thanks. That made it easier to find. I agree with the other benefits but I also think it results in a penalty against the D far more often than 18in32 is saying.

Work? What is this work you speak of?
I thought you meant this year. I would be curious.

Here it is:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=312740152
http://www.journalnow.com/sports/co...cle_142a7f89-9139-56de-b905-2b3747b1225e.html

The injury-tattered defense looked infinitely better than before, except for jumping offside three times with Georgia Tech facing fourth down-and-short situations.

 

[Allen Koholic]

I feel like this has been done before...

 

[18in32]

I should be working but instead I'm checking play-by-plays for 4th down offsides calls in 2017. #millennialsamirite?

Jax State (last TD drive)
http://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=400937455

Pitt (last possession of 2nd quarter)
http://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=400937473

Maybe if I'm truly bored, I'll start scouring previous years.

Edit: And I believe @05GTCorndog is correct that it was NC State, not UNC that it worked multiple times in the same drive (first TD drive in the second half). There was another offsides on 4th down earlier in the game, but it didn't result in a 1st down(?), so I'm not sure if it was the draw offsides play or not:
http://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=312740152

But maybe there was also a UNC game where it happened a bunch?

That's interesting. Maybe this is another factor in our diverging recollections. In both the Jax St and Pitt games this year, those offsides came while the first A-back was still in motion. (I just looked at the videos.)

In the Jax St game, it looks like he's about to slow down and reset next to the B-back (and hence conform to the play we're all expecting), but the DL jumps when he starts stamping his feet. In the Pitt game, the DL jumps right as the A-back goes in motion, so it's hard to say it had anything to do with CPJ's 'draw 'em off' play.

 

[18in32]

http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=312740152
http://www.journalnow.com/sports/co...cle_142a7f89-9139-56de-b905-2b3747b1225e.html

That 2011 NC State game is not available on YouTube. But I wonder if all three of those were induced by CPJ's 'draw 'em off' play? As I mentioned in the previous post, sometimes it's hard to see the connection. Sometimes other teams do just jump offsides regardless of what we're doing. But maybe you're right. I don't remember clearly.

 

[WracerX]

That's interesting. Maybe this is another factor in our diverging recollections. In both the Jax St and Pitt games this year, those offsides came while the first A-back was still in motion. (I just looked at the videos.)

In the Jax St game, it looks like he's about to slow down and reset next to the B-back (and hence conform to the play we're all expecting), but the DL jumps when he starts stamping his feet. In the Pitt game, the DL jumps right as the A-back goes in motion, so it's hard to say it had anything to do with CPJ's 'draw 'em off' play.

So you think those two plays were not the draw them offsides play?

My memory says we haven't snapped the ball on the first AB motion at all on the draw them offsides play. We have after calling the TO, then lining up a second time.

We have snapped the ball maybe 3 times after the first AB gets set by the BB. I only remember snapping it one time when both AB are set in the wishbone.

 

[18in32]

So you think those two plays were not the draw them offsides play?

My memory says we haven't snapped the ball on the first AB motion at all on the draw them offsides play. We have after calling the TO, then lining up a second time.

We have snapped the ball maybe 3 times after the first AB gets set by the BB. I only remember snapping it one time when both AB are set in the wishbone.

I'm saying that the D jumps off sides before you can tell if we're running the play we're all talking about (1st AB goes in motion, resets next to the BB, 2d AB goes in motion, resets next to the BB, QB sits under center until clock runs down, then TO called).

In the Jax St game, I think we were, based on the 1st AB slowing down and foot stamping. But the point is that we would've gotten the offside with any delayed-snap play.

In other words, other teams without this play draw the offsides penalty sometimes too. Sometimes the D is antsy and just jumps offsides. What we're trying to figure out ITT is when CPJ's special 'draw 'em off' play does that and when it doesn't.

 

[18in32]

I mean they jumped offsides and got penalized three times. I didn't mean this year, it was a few years ago.

Like I said, I estimate it's worked (where I define "worked" as resulted in a penalty) about fifteen times in the ten years or so CPJ has been here. That's only 1.5 times a year so it would still seem to work pretty rarely. I do believe it has other benefits as discussed above.

I was trying to make a joke about the fact that you're employed.

If it has drawn them offsides 15 times in 10 years, I consider that to be a high success rate.

 

[BuzzLaw]

I seem to recall Anthony Allen running around the right end when Clemson thought we were just going to call a time out. But they've worked numerous times since then as well.

Uh, no... I just checked the 2009 ACCCG play-by-play, and Clemson was flagged for offsides once. (GT was flagged for three false starts, FWIW.) And I checked the UNC play-by-play, and UNC was never flagged for offsides at all. You guys have some sketchy memories.