PJ and Sewak

FatJacket said:
Well, 90, if you are referring to me, I said PJ lost the team long before Summers left, if that is what you are referring to.
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Didn't you also say the team had quit before we beat an undefeated, top 10 team in a game where we had to come back late and make some huge clutch plays?
 
Also, FatJacket, I'm not sure if you know what it means to legitimately quit on a coach. Teams that quit don't overcome mistakes to come back at the end of games, which we have done several times this year. Teams that quit don't play extremely hard despite injuries. Teams that quit don't play their best defense of the year when the offense is uncharacteristically struggling. Teams that quit look like Miami this year. When they fall behind, they give up and lose 58-0 at home to Clemson. We were hopelessly overmatched, but we fought back in Death Valley despite dumb turnovers and at least made it somewhat respectable.

I've been a part of a team that quit on our coach. He was awful and didn't really care about us, so we went through the motions of playing. Sure, we tried and we wanted to win, but anytime things went south, we folded like a paper tent because our coach had created a team with no resolve.
 
There's a fine line I think between quitting and very bad effort. I personally don't think the team has quit but I do think the effort level on the OLine is horrible at best. This is the first year in a few that I have been able to watch, including the last half of last season. Obviously two different outcomes, maybe it's leadership, who knows but you would think as an athlete with a full ride would show more compassion than what's being shown this year. To me and it's my opinion only it's lack of leadership and that begins at the top. Paul may very well not get rid of sewak and I can understand the loyalty but it something has to give.
 
FatJacket said:
Well, 90, if you are referring to me, I said PJ lost the team long before Summers left, if that is what you are referring to.
Unless you post on that other board with another name..I guess YES. If not, I wasn't.

I know some of the players and they give me the inside scoop. PJ should fire Sewak. He does not coach well.
I glad you know some of our players. They are great young men. I can't believe they'll telling you that they are quitting on a coach or the team like they are implying. I tweet encouragement to our guys and don't get that feeling. Course I'm not verbally talking with them like you are. If they don't like then they need to go somewhere else. They knew when being recruited here what we were about.

But I prefer to do that verbally with someone who has some knowledge. Not on a message board.
Like to do that as well. I may not be the most knowledgeable person but I'm not the dumbest. This is how one learns but theirs one person that will argue with a ROCK on the phone. You just can't saying anything to the man. One guy I talk with is not happy with our program but shows respect in our conversation at least.
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For the record, PJ was not the person I wanted at Tech (won't get into my coaching list). I've question some recruiting, play calling, etc. But he's here and has done some good things like graduating players, still giving a player a scholly who may not play football again where others wouldn't keep their promise, etc.
 
Wasn't 51-7 here at home. I swear I watch that shitshow firsthand.
 
refrigeratormover said:
There's a fine line I think between quitting and very bad effort. I personally don't think the team has quit but I do think the effort level on the OLine is horrible at best. This is the first year in a few that I have been able to watch, including the last half of last season. Obviously two different outcomes, maybe it's leadership, who knows but you would think as an athlete with a full ride would show more compassion than what's being shown this year. To me and it's my opinion only it's lack of leadership and that begins at the top. Paul may very well not get rid of sewak and I can understand the loyalty but it something has to give.
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I'm so glad to here your input on this. Thanks for posting.
 
WracerX said:
Wasn't 51-7 here at home. I swear I watch that shitshow firsthand.
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No. If it had been then the renovations would have been turned into demolition and relocation. Don't ever suggest that happened here again. I will find you.
 
refrigeratormover said:
No it was in Athens, I was on the sideline and witnessed first hand that the players quit. Was quite disgusting to say the least.
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The players quit on Bill Lewis as well in '94. This and the above are quite different from what we're seeing with PJ.
 
GEETEELEE said:
The players quit on Bill Lewis as well in '94. This and the above are quite different from what we're seeing with PJ.
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Very. Anyone who believes the players have quit this year is talking out of their ass. I believe we saw the beginnings last year when momentum swings or bad plays happened that previously would have sucked the air and fight out of the team and they went back out and kept playing to make up for it. The long would-be TD fumble return against Pitt sticks out, as well as the plays in the Georgia game that would usually crush our hopes but instead drove our guys to keep fighting.

The obvious difference is that this year that never-say-die attitude hasn't had the resultant positive plays outside of the Florida State game. I at least feel some pride and confidence in knowing that whatever happens in these last two games, if we lose then we're going down swinging.
 
The Jacket said:
The obvious difference is that this year that never-say-die attitude hasn't had the resultant positive plays outside of the Florida State game. I at least feel some pride and confidence in knowing that whatever happens in these last two games, if we lose then we're going down swinging.
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Exactly.

Look at the Duke game. We played horribly all game but fought back at the end, got a pick, and were in position to win the game. Instead, we got stopped and then gave up a long TD run on 4th down.

Against UNC, we blew a huge lead but came back at the end to pull within 3, recover an onside kick only to have it overturned, and then STILL stop UNC to get one last chance. We just weren't good enough to finish.

FSU game speaks for itself.

We were all but out of the UVA game, but came back late and were right in position to win the game before we blew it at the end.

Same goes for VT. Teams that quit would have given up after fumbling a million times. Instead, our defense stepped up and gave our offense a chance. They just weren't good enough to get it done.

Bottom line is that we've repeatedly overcome adversity, which teams that quit don't do. We're just a mediocre team this year on top of some bad breaks (literally). That's it.
 
Add me to the "not quit" camp.

Hell, I'm actually of the opinion that the fans haven't quit yet either. And plenty quit on Chan during better seasons.

It seems to me that most of the fans I talk to realize that sooo many of these games have been sooo close. And our luck on and off the field has been terrible. I'm frankly quite amazed that GT fans have shouldered this season as well as they have. I can't imagine the players would do it more poorly than the fans have.
 
beej67 said:
Add me to the "not quit" camp.

Hell, I'm actually of the opinion that the fans haven't quit yet either. And plenty quit on Chan during better seasons.

It seems to me that most of the fans I talk to realize that sooo many of these games have been sooo close. And our luck on and off the field has been terrible. I'm frankly quite amazed that GT fans have shouldered this season as well as they have. I can't imagine the players would do it more poorly than the fans have.
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This. Well said.
 
beej67 said:
Add me to the "not quit" camp.

Hell, I'm actually of the opinion that the fans haven't quit yet either. And plenty quit on Chan during better seasons.

It seems to me that most of the fans I talk to realize that sooo many of these games have been sooo close. And our luck on and off the field has been terrible. I'm frankly quite amazed that GT fans have shouldered this season as well as they have. I can't imagine the players would do it more poorly than the fans have.
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This is an excellent point as well. We all remember the lows this fanbase reached during Gailey's tenure and I believe a bit of that carried over into the first couple of mediocre seasons during Johnson's starting in 2010. But it seems different now, in many ways. If this season were taking place in 2007, the players and the fans would have abandoned all hope after the Notre Dame game, or at the very latest after the Duke game. That isn't happening now.

I think the credit for that goes to the players. We knew they were going to show up and give Florida State everything they had, the fans followed suit. Same goes for VPI. It was a Thursday night game in the home stretch of a bad year, following a loss to Virginia and our fans showed up like we were still playing for the Coastal.
 
The Jacket said:
... I at least feel some pride and confidence in knowing that whatever happens in these last two games, if we lose then we're going down swinging.
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This makes all the difference in the world. Maybe I'm older and more even keeled. Maybe I've bought into "it's never as good or as bad as it looks..." Dunno for sure, but as crappy as this season has been, (record aside) it's not as bad as it was in '94 or other bad years on the flats. I'm proud of these kids.
 
The Jacket said:
This is an excellent point as well. We all remember the lows this fanbase reached during Gailey's tenure and I believe a bit of that carried over into the first couple of mediocre seasons during Johnson's starting in 2010. But it seems different now, in many ways. If this season were taking place in 2007, the players and the fans would have abandoned all hope after the Notre Dame game, or at the very latest after the Duke game. That isn't happening now.

I think the credit for that goes to the players. We knew they were going to show up and give Florida State everything they had, the fans followed suit. Same goes for VPI. It was a Thursday night game in the home stretch of a bad year, following a loss to Virginia and our fans showed up like we were still playing for the Coastal.
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Our performance last season has really helped buttress the fans outlook as well, I think.
 
beej67 said:
Our performance last season has really helped buttress the fans outlook as well, I think.
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That's true. But I've got to think that if our guys were mailing it in, those effects from last season would make very little difference.
 
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