POLL: Who Do You Want?

Who Do You Want as HC Now?

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There was one year that we needed 7 wins to make a bowl and that was 2013 when we played both Elon and Alabama A&M for whatever reason.
 
I am making two assumptions that lead me to my next point:
1) Brent Key is a competent coach capable of recruiting and winning at a satisfactory level
2) The faults in the OL the last three years are attributable to Collins's policies and not Key's ability.

Another benefit of Key as the permanent replacement is that he was here during the broken times and so he knows what is wrong and what needs the most attention.
 
ciegetanks said:
I am making two assumptions that lead me to my next point:
1) Brent Key is a competent coach capable of recruiting and winning at a satisfactory level
2) The faults in the OL the last three years are attributable to Collins's policies and not Key's ability.

Another benefit of Key as the permanent replacement is that he was here during the broken times and so he knows what is wrong and what needs the most attention.
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The thing is, if the second is true, how do you separate improvements from removing Collins's policies from improvements from Key's ability? Are wins demonstrating Key's ability or Collins' failure?
 
GTLiebs said:
The thing is, if the second is true, how do you separate improvements from removing Collins's policies from improvements from Key's ability? Are wins demonstrating Key's ability or Collins' failure?
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Won't let me edit from phone so doing it this way.

The probable answer is we can't know. Maybe a new AD can find enough info from staff to make some sort of real judgement on it. Ultimately from our points of view those assumptions are coin flips at best.
 
I think the truth about Key will wash out, in the next 3 games. My concern is this. If you cannot excel at the singular level, how can you excel from a top level? I can only go with the it was Collins' fault excuse, for so long. I fail to understand why or how, we as fans, are so apologetic with our coaches. Facts are facts... Our coaches have under-performed. Time till tell, I suppose. But, my thoughts are Key was part of the problem, not an answer.
 
GTLiebs said:
The thing is, if the second is true, how do you separate improvements from removing Collins's policies from improvements from Key's ability? Are wins demonstrating Key's ability or Collins' failure?
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Wins is the primary metric I suppose. For OL specifically rushing yards, qb hurries, and sacks allowed are probably your next best measurements
 
ciegetanks said:
I am making two assumptions that lead me to my next point:
1) Brent Key is a competent coach capable of recruiting and winning at a satisfactory level
2) The faults in the OL the last three years are attributable to Collins's policies and not Key's ability.

Another benefit of Key as the permanent replacement is that he was here during the broken times and so he knows what is wrong and what needs the most attention.
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Those are two hugely flawed assumptions though. Which makes the next point pretty baseless.
 
And of course most of what we're all saying is conjecture and speculation. We only have one data point right now.

If you need more proof and need to see measurable improvements in the next 8 weeks before you will even consider Key I understand.

Those of us speaking favorably towards Key are mostly riding the "beat a ranked opponent on the road" high.

See what we say if GT gets blown out by Dook 42 - 3.

EDIT: and as to my original assumptions, yes they are potentially very flawed. I cannot say at all that they are 100% correct. I suspect they are at best mostly correct and more likely mostly wrong.

It is just speculative thought exercise.
 
Jmonty71 said:
I think the truth about Key will wash out, in the next 3 games. My concern is this. If you cannot excel at the singular level, how can you excel from a top level? I can only go with the it was Collins' fault excuse, for so long. I fail to understand why or how, we as fans, are so apologetic with our coaches. Facts are facts... Our coaches have under-performed. Time till tell, I suppose. But, my thoughts are Key was part of the problem, not an answer.
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I'm not convinced that being a successful head coach and being a successful position coach are extremely correlated. There are a lot of different skills involved, especially if the position coach is not given much independence by the HC/coordinators.

That said, I agree he was part of the problem and that's part of the reason he needs to win a bunch to earn the job in my opinion. But I wouldn't automatically disqualify him as a head coach just because he didn't succeed as a position group coach under Collins.
 
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