Roof to NC State

CornerBlitz said:
Are you serious?
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About what? That Roof's defenses played pretty sound? Much of this year they were actually Top 25 level statistically. Finished 32 in total defense after the tough slate in the back half of the schedule, so yes, I'm serious. He faced Clemson, UGA, and Miami with players much less highly rated as recruits, right? I'm aware of the failings, particularly in the second half. Your depth could be much better.

Am I serious about finding an "outlier" defense to go with the offense approach? Why not? That part is thinking out loud, but I'm only saying that if GT really can't recruit a bulk of 3-and-4-star talent, which is what comprises ACC Coastal, then you have to find an edge some other way. Not that I think that's the best strategy. Better players is the best strategy.

What do I seem so unserious about?
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Opening story on WRAL sports tonight - Doreen said he was delighted to get Ted on staff.
 
saxondawg said:
About what? That Roof's defenses played pretty sound? Much of this year they were actually Top 25 level statistically. Finished 32 in total defense after the tough slate in the back half of the schedule, so yes, I'm serious. He faced Clemson, UGA, and Miami with players much less highly rated as recruits, right? I'm aware of the failings, particularly in the second half. Your depth could be much better.

Am I serious about finding an "outlier" defense to go with the offense approach? Why not? That part is thinking out loud, but I'm only saying that if GT really can't recruit a bulk of 3-and-4-star talent, which is what comprises ACC Coastal, then you have to find an edge some other way. Not that I think that's the best strategy. Better players is the best strategy.

What do I seem so unserious about?
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Listen man...Ted Roof is a great Tech man, pretty good recruiter and will always be respected around these parts. To say he was fundamentally solid and never embarrassed is not a serious ascertation. I believe our definitions of fundamentally solid are very, very different.

You can offer all the statistics and lame Joker images you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that our soft, bend don’t break scheme was not working. Playing corner backs 8 yards off the ball on 3rd and 4 is not fundamentally solid. Playing prevent defense and rushing 3 at the end of every half is not fundamentally solid. Telegraphed basic blitzes visible from a mile away is not sound. Our tackling and coverage was no way sound. Our DL couldn’t maintain gaps, leaving our LBs smothered...who regardless struggled each week to shed blocks....all fundamentals that were not sound. Our inability to cover the flats or a freaking bubble screen ran 5X in a row was not sound. There was nothing fundamentally solid or sound about the way we played D against Tenn, Miami, Duke, UVA, UGA....of which 4 of those games were very winnable. We gave up 43 points to Duke and 40 to UVA!!!

So I say again, are you serious?

That said, I truly wish nothing but the best for Coach Roof. Sometimes change is good for both parties.
 
saxondawg said:
About what? That Roof's defenses played pretty sound? Much of this year they were actually Top 25 level statistically. Finished 32 in total defense after the tough slate in the back half of the schedule, so yes, I'm serious. He faced Clemson, UGA, and Miami with players much less highly rated as recruits, right? I'm aware of the failings, particularly in the second half. Your depth could be much better.

Am I serious about finding an "outlier" defense to go with the offense approach? Why not? That part is thinking out loud, but I'm only saying that if GT really can't recruit a bulk of 3-and-4-star talent, which is what comprises ACC Coastal, then you have to find an edge some other way. Not that I think that's the best strategy. Better players is the best strategy.

What do I seem so unserious about?
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I'm going to tell all your mutt friends how you secretly love all things GT.
 
cyptomcat said:
He will get fired if we don't make a bowl two years in a row.

Buyout is not too heavy...
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What’s not too heavy? We can’t even pay for the support staff Duke has much less pay off all the coaching mistakes we still owe.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
I believe Roof is just a scape goat. How many successful DCs has CPJ had here again? I see one thing in common amongst the trail of discarded DCs and thats the HC. At some point you stop looking at defensive coordinator scheme and start questioning the HC scheme.
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Bingo. He'll now coach a defense where he can recruit players that will get to practice against a system that will prepare them for the NFL. Our offense is a direct tie to our recruiting and defensive problems.
 
manjano mdudu said:
Bingo. He'll now coach a defense where he can recruit players that will get to practice against a system that will prepare them for the NFL. Our offense is a direct tie to our recruiting and defensive problems.
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Good luck to him then. Nothing he’s done in his journeyman coaching career leads me to believe that he is going to have some magical tenure in Raleigh.
 
manjano mdudu said:
Bingo. He'll now coach a defense where he can recruit players that will get to practice against a system that will prepare them for the NFL. Our offense is a direct tie to our recruiting and defensive problems.
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Here's what the NFL looks for:
1. Can you run?
2. Can you absorb a playbook?
3. Can you do what the coach tells you to do?
Besides, from mid August through mid December, your defensive scheme doesn't go against your offensive scheme. You practice against someone else's offense. It might be your offensive players, but it is someone else's scheme.
This tired refrain of "they practice against the option all the time" is claptrap. They don't. Just from having watched about 100 of his practices at Georgia Southern, PJ will put his O against his D a few practice periods a week, but that's mostly for goal line and situational reps. The vast majority of practice Tuesday through Thursday, and some of Monday, is spent preparing for what the other team does, not what our team does. Practice periods are 5-6 minutes long, so it's about 20-25 minutes a week max out of about 8-9 hours on the field that the first team O goes against the first team D. He usually did it on a Wednesday, which is one of the contact days.
 
ncjacket said:
What’s not too heavy? We can’t even pay for the support staff Duke has much less pay off all the coaching mistakes we still owe.
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It will be something like $2 million when two years are left on the contract. With a back loaded contract for a new coach, there wouldn't be a heavy hit to the budget.
 
CornerBlitz said:
Listen man...Ted Roof is a great Tech man, pretty good recruiter and will always be respected around these parts. To say he was fundamentally solid and never embarrassed is not a serious ascertation. I believe our definitions of fundamentally solid are very, very different.

You can offer all the statistics and lame Joker images you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that our soft, bend don’t break scheme was not working. Playing corner backs 8 yards off the ball on 3rd and 4 is not fundamentally solid. Playing prevent defense and rushing 3 at the end of every half is not fundamentally solid. Telegraphed basic blitzes visible from a mile away is not sound. Our tackling and coverage was no way sound. Our DL couldn’t maintain gaps, leaving our LBs smothered...who regardless struggled each week to shed blocks....all fundamentals that were not sound. Our inability to cover the flats or a freaking bubble screen ran 5X in a row was not sound. There was nothing fundamentally solid or sound about the way we played D against Tenn, Miami, Duke, UVA, UGA....of which 4 of those games were very winnable. We gave up 43 points to Duke and 40 to UVA!!!

So I say again, are you serious?

That said, I truly wish nothing but the best for Coach Roof. Sometimes change is good for both parties.
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Thanks for the reply. I don't feel serious enough about this to argue, and I also don't know Tech football better than a Tech fan. I try to watch all your games, and my impression was that the defense was tougher than it was under Roof's predecessors, and over the season I do think the stats bear that out. I have no counter to a game like Duke, which is an outlier but it happened. Yet I also see how Tech played against Clemson. Your points are well taken; the only point I have I'd defend strongly is that you have to recruit much better, in quality and depth. A certain amount of the late season results look a lot like simple fatigue that you handle by playing more people through the year.
 
swampsting said:
This tired refrain of "they practice against the option all the time" is claptrap. They don't. Just from having watched about 100 of his practices at Georgia Southern, PJ will put his O against his D a few practice periods a week, but that's mostly for goal line and situational reps. The vast majority of practice Tuesday through Thursday, and some of Monday, is spent preparing for what the other team does, not what our team does. Practice periods are 5-6 minutes long, so it's about 20-25 minutes a week max out of about 8-9 hours on the field that the first team O goes against the first team D. He usually did it on a Wednesday, which is one of the contact days.
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Yes, but... there are actually GT defenders lined up against our option offense during practice. Those defenders are admittedly the back-ups. But since very few defenders on our team are four-year starters beginning their freshman year, during the years when those back-ups haven't made it to the first-string, they are practicing against the option offense.
 
18in32 said:
Yes, but... there are actually GT defenders lined up against our option offense during practice. Those defenders are admittedly the back-ups. But since very few defenders on our team are four-year starters beginning their freshman year, during the years when those back-ups haven't made it to the first-string, they are practicing against the option offense.
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They're not really backups, unless you go really deep. The first two strings are out there against the other scheme. It's third (maybe) and fourth team, freshmen you're redshirting and walk-ons as scout team. But they are also in the team meetings and position meetings going over the other offenses.
One year, though, PJ had a freshman he was redshirting who was the scout team tailback. Ran in a different offense every week and was named scout team MVP. Wound up being pretty good at Southern. Like 9,100 yards good. Like 2,600 yards and 45 TDs in his sophomore season alone good.
 
saxondawg said:
Thanks for the reply. I don't feel serious enough about this to argue, and I also don't know Tech football better than a Tech fan. I try to watch all your games, and my impression was that the defense was tougher than it was under Roof's predecessors, and over the season I do think the stats bear that out. I have no counter to a game like Duke, which is an outlier but it happened. Yet I also see how Tech played against Clemson. Your points are well taken; the only point I have I'd defend strongly is that you have to recruit much better, in quality and depth. A certain amount of the late season results look a lot like simple fatigue that you handle by playing more people through the year.
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What you saw was depth and it wasn't, it was the fact that we played 9 games without a bye due to the hurricane. While having more depth would have helped, very few teams can run a stretch like that without giving away a few games. I don't think it was an outlier with the amount of depth we usually have.

The Duke game was awful all around. That had to be some sort of team/locker room issue. Every phase of the game was bad, but the defense in particular showed no heart at all. The UGa game saw the team quit after the late halftime score.

Does the O hurt recruiting? Yes and no, it definitely hurts recruiting rankings. No service lists a OL as a 4 star option lineman but a 2 star air raid lineman. The rankings are based off of 1) who is recruiting a guy, 2) measureables, and 3) HS stats. Our OL typically fail at #1 and #2 because they aren't typically 6'5"/300 lb guys. Our AB also fail at #1 and #2 because they are typically small fast guys that can't play in a I formation or single back set at the FBS level. But those guys can be deadly in our offense.

Where our recreuiting has been bad is at DL. I think that kids are afraid of getting cut in practice. It is a complete fabrication of course, but I think it is something that kids fear. We're should be pitching how many few snaps kids will play in college. That is a lot less downs in which to get hurt.
 
swampsting said:
Here's what the NFL looks for:
1. Can you run?
2. Can you absorb a playbook?
3. Can you do what the coach tells you to do?
Besides, from mid August through mid December, your defensive scheme doesn't go against your offensive scheme. You practice against someone else's offense. It might be your offensive players, but it is someone else's scheme.
This tired refrain of "they practice against the option all the time" is claptrap. They don't. Just from having watched about 100 of his practices at Georgia Southern, PJ will put his O against his D a few practice periods a week, but that's mostly for goal line and situational reps. The vast majority of practice Tuesday through Thursday, and some of Monday, is spent preparing for what the other team does, not what our team does. Practice periods are 5-6 minutes long, so it's about 20-25 minutes a week max out of about 8-9 hours on the field that the first team O goes against the first team D. He usually did it on a Wednesday, which is one of the contact days.
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what about the 4 WEEKS of Spring and August when there is not an "other" team? Not to mention that our DEF practices vs a poor passing QB, OUR QB is generally not on the level of passing as most other QBs --ck out stats for last yr and most yrs
there is a problem, how big is the question
 
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