So it begins... The decline of college football

more schools spending money for players will spread talent out and lessen the gap between haves and have nots.

once again: if this was good for Bama/UGA/Clemson - why are Saban, Smart, and Dabo opposed?
 
knoxjacket said:
more schools spending money for players will spread talent out and lessen the gap between haves and have nots.

once again: if this was good for Bama/UGA/Clemson - why are Saban, Smart, and Dabo opposed?
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Maybe they want college football to maintain some semblance of amateurism?
 
TampaBayJacket said:
Yeah, I'm with you. It's lost something. I was supportive of players getting to make money from their fame, like social media or youtube for example, but this is not what anyone envisioned where you can buy your recruits outright as well as cherry pick other teams best players w/o penalty. We should've known this would happen but even the biggest players like Saban say it's out of control. He's probably more pissed that even Bama can't outbid Texas oil money than for the loss of purity, but regardless, Saban seems to care about the health of the sport and it is certainly on a dangerous precipice now. Jimbo Fisher has always been complete trash behind the scenes and shamelessly now rents his players while saying "you guys are trying to tarnish how hard we worked to get this class, blah blah." Yes Jimbo, it is hard work to drum up those kinds of funds. I get it.
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"this is not what anyone envisioned where you can buy your recruits outright as well as cherry pick other teams best players w/o penalty."

Bravo Sierra. I envisioned it. So did a ton of other folks. I mean, really, if you just thought about it for five minutes, how could it have ever possibly turned out any different? That's why a lot of us were against NIL and against The Portal. The argument they always made was that coaches could leave at any time for another school for more money and start there immediately and it wasn't fair that the athletes couldn't do the same. Of course the obvious solution was to require coaches to sit out a year just like the players. But, no, they couldn't have that. NIL solution was similar. You can sell your name, image and likeness. You just can't play in a college football game if you do. Just like you can wager on college football games, but you just can't play in a college football game if you do.** No one is twisting anyone's arm to play college football. Make your choice - play or get paid. Can't have both - for the very reasons that we are starting to see now.


** BTW, is anyone actually watching for that??? Who? I wonder if anyone really is, and with the explosion of legalized on-line wagering with mobile phones, etc., it's really just a matter of time until we read an article about how college athletes shaving points in college football and especially college basketball games on which they have wagered is now widespread.
 
NIL is not the problem. It’s a symptom of the problem but not the problem itself.

The problem was that a sport in which each team was being paid $40-50mm/yr simply for TV rights, could get away with pretending it was an “amateur” league by simply not paying its players.

The whole amateur status of college football was a joke. College football could have chosen to remain amateur by capping the insane amounts of money colleges were spending on coaches, facilities, etc and distributing the rest towards other sports and/or academic needs, both bringing about parity and justifying the not for profit status and academic affiliations of these teams, but they chosenot to.

This is the inevitable results of that decision. Nearly every sport figured out in the 60s that you couldn’t take in billions of dollars but maintain your amateur purity by simply not paying your players, but paying administrators, coaches, and “boosters” (through construction contracts, etc) instead.
 
knoxjacket said:
more schools spending money for players will spread talent out and lessen the gap between haves and have nots.

once again: if this was good for Bama/UGA/Clemson - why are Saban, Smart, and Dabo opposed?
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Because the BS amateur status meant that the money which should have gone to the players were going to the head coaches, who were the only publicly affiliated members of the team that were both allowed to be paid and had celebrity status.

These guys were opposed because over a few years as these companies get used to paying the players, they will be paying the head coaches less.
 
High School and College Football has always been overrated and primarily a Southeastern sport, just like NASCAR. Hockey is like that in Canada and The North.
 
I know everyone says CFB is now more like NFL-lite now but I disagree. What makes the NFL the dominating TV programming in the USA is that every team plays by the same rules so the best teams manage their resources better than the worse teams. It's a fair landscape and the bad teams can only look at themselves to blame for their failures, not the system.

In CFB, its never been balanced but fair enough that a team out of nowhere can have a magical season and compete for it all or play in a major bowl and feel great about itself. First, the CFP ended that dream. Suddenly the best recruits ran towards the SEC or Clemson/tOSU and that was it. Everyone else got the crumbs leftover. This was very bad for the long term health of the sport. Then came the portal and suddenly everyone's best players were getting picked off just as Saban predicted. Finally, the nail in the coffin was unabated NIL and now you have the NFL without a salary cap which would've ruined the NFL from a fan interest point of view (imagine Jerry Jones w/o a cap). Texas A&M will be the worst offender going forward because they have endless pockets and will buy their inevitable championship. My only hope is this is unsustainable and they drain their deep coffers chasing a championship but this is a fool's dream because the SEC will get a mega $$$ to feed back into the system.
 
rghoae said:
Because the BS amateur status meant that the money which should have gone to the players were going to the head coaches, who were the only publicly affiliated members of the team that were both allowed to be paid and had celebrity status.

These guys were opposed because over a few years as these companies get used to paying the players, they will be paying the head coaches less.
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Well said. Power and money go hand in hand. These coaches aren’t stupid. They realize the more power (money) that the players have, the less power they have.
 
rghoae said:
The whole amateur status of college football was a joke. College football could have chosen to remain amateur by capping the insane amounts of money colleges were spending on coaches, facilities, etc and distributing the rest towards other sports and/or academic needs, both bringing about parity and justifying the not for profit status and academic affiliations of these teams, but they chosenot to.
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This is the way. The schools and conferences chose this.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
I know everyone says CFB is now more like NFL-lite now but I disagree. What makes the NFL the dominating TV programming in the USA is that every team plays by the same rules so the best teams manage their resources better than the worse teams. It's a fair landscape and the bad teams can only look at themselves to blame for their failures, not the system.

In CFB, its never been balanced but fair enough that a team out of nowhere can have a magical season and compete for it all or play in a major bowl and feel great about itself. First, the CFP ended that dream. Suddenly the best recruits ran towards the SEC or Clemson/tOSU and that was it. Everyone else got the crumbs leftover. This was very bad for the long term health of the sport. Then came the portal and suddenly everyone's best players were getting picked off just as Saban predicted. Finally, the nail in the coffin was unabated NIL and now you have the NFL without a salary cap which would've ruined the NFL from a fan interest point of view (imagine Jerry Jones w/o a cap). Texas A&M will be the worst offender going forward because they have endless pockets and will buy their inevitable championship. My only hope is this is unsustainable and they drain their deep coffers chasing a championship but this is a fool's dream because the SEC will get a mega $$$ to feed back into the system.
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Texas A&M hasn’t won a national championship in 80 years. They haven’t been elite. They are the definition of new blood.
 
knoxjacket said:
Texas A&M hasn’t won a national championship in 80 years. They haven’t been elite. They are the definition of new blood.
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That has nothing to do with today where they have the pockets to buy a title and they are going to do it. If you sign 8 five stars in a single class like they did you will win the title. Look at UGA where they had 19 five stars on their roster last year. It's inevitable if you have that much talent on the field.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
That has nothing to do with today where they have the pockets to buy a title and they are going to do it. If you sign 8 five stars in a single class like they did you will win the title. Look at UGA where they had 19 five stars on their roster last year. It's inevitable if you have that much talent on the field.
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Only if you also have the right coaching.
 
GTWannaBee said:
Only if you also have the right coaching.
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Jimbo has won a title before with lesser talent at FSU. It will happen with all those rent-a-players he's accumulating. My only hope is these mercenaries take the TAMU money and run straight for the portal after their freshman year to play for their preferred school.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
Jimbo has won a title before with lesser talent at FSU. It will happen with all those rent-a-players he's accumulating. My only hope is these mercenaries take the TAMU money and run straight for the portal after their freshman year to play for their preferred school.
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One day the oil industry will go down the tubes and the owners of electrical car industry will be throwing their money at teenage athletes.
 
The thing is, the NIL SHOULD be good for us, given how many fortune 500 companies our alumni own. However, we need to be able to compete for those companies to see this as a profitable business. The bad thing is the transfer whenever and wherever you want to with no repercussions. That basically makes us the Mississippi Braves to the Alabamas and Tennessee's and Ole Miss's which are the Atlanta Braves,
 
TampaBayJacket said:
Jimbo has won a title before with lesser talent at FSU. It will happen with all those rent-a-players he's accumulating. My only hope is these mercenaries take the TAMU money and run straight for the portal after their freshman year to play for their preferred school.
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True, but I wasn't only talking about TAMU. I was speaking in general. That said, I'll be happy to see Jimbo run over the other SEC schools - especially those with Georgia in their name.
 
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