So it begins... The decline of college football

GTWannaBee said:
True, but I wasn't only talking about TAMU. I was speaking in general. That said, I'll be happy to see Jimbo run over the other SEC schools - especially those with Georgia in their name.
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Screw that. TAMU represents everything that is wrong about CFB today. No way I root for them. Just root for an earthquake if they play UGA or Bama instead.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
That has nothing to do with today where they have the pockets to buy a title and they are going to do it. If you sign 8 five stars in a single class like they did you will win the title. Look at UGA where they had 19 five stars on their roster last year. It's inevitable if you have that much talent on the field.
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When Texas, Florida, Ohio state, Michigan, Michigan state, Penn state, Wisconsin, UCLA, USC and other schools with gigantic numbers of living alumni get their NIL machines going no one will be getting 8 5 stars anymore.

Talent will be diluted and parity will increase.
 
Nehru Jacket said:
One day the oil industry will go down the tubes and the owners of electrical car industry will be throwing their money at teenage athletes.
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Yeah, right. I guess you don't know that it takes fossil fuel energy to produce all the green-energy crap that they are trying to forced down our throats. The oil industry will never go down the tubes.
 
CarsonNewmanJacket said:
The thing is, the NIL SHOULD be good for us, given how many fortune 500 companies our alumni own. However, we need to be able to compete for those companies to see this as a profitable business. The bad thing is the transfer whenever and wherever you want to with no repercussions. That basically makes us the Mississippi Braves to the Alabamas and Tennessee's and Ole Miss's which are the Atlanta Braves,
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I’m curious how many Fortune 500 companies our alumni own. I know there are at least a few prominent companies with Tech alums as CEO.

The thing is, at least for the spirit of the NIL stuff (players getting paid to endorse or represent a product, or selling autographs or whatever) rather than the reality (rich alums paying players), our locally-known at best (outside of generational exceptions like Calvin) aren’t going to move the needle advertising for a Fortune 500 company.

I believe that folks who make the leap from “we have a lot of rich and powerful alums, therefore NIL should be a boon for us” aren’t really thinking the situation through with enough depth and detail.

JRjr
 
vapspwi said:
I’m curious how many Fortune 500 companies our alumni own. I know there are at least a few prominent companies with Tech alums as CEO.

The thing is, at least for the spirit of the NIL stuff (players getting paid to endorse or represent a product, or selling autographs or whatever) rather than the reality (rich alums paying players), our locally-known at best (outside of generational exceptions like Calvin) aren’t going to move the needle advertising for a Fortune 500 company.

I believe that folks who make the leap from “we have a lot of rich and powerful alums, therefore NIL should be a boon for us” aren’t really thinking the situation through with enough depth and detail.

JRjr
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Yeah, we are an awful fit for NIL. Having a bunch of random 50-year olds worth like $6 M is nowhere enough to matter on the scale of college football, the only things that matter are A) giant, passionate fanbases (the SEC), ultra-wealthy billionaire boosters (Oregon, OK State), or some combination of the two (the Big Ten, A&M).

Your Duke, Stanford, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Cal, etc have no hand to play here. Our only hope is that somehow Corporate Atlanta would decide to throw money at us for some reason, which isn't plausible. Maybe if the Falcons and UGA didn't exist, but, they do.
 
StraightFresh said:
Yeah, we are an awful fit for NIL. Having a bunch of random 50-year olds worth like $6 M is nowhere enough to matter on the scale of college football, the only things that matter are A) giant, passionate fanbases (the SEC), ultra-wealthy billionaire boosters (Oregon, OK State), or some combination of the two (the Big Ten, A&M).

Your Duke, Stanford, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Cal, etc have no hand to play here. Our only hope is that somehow Corporate Atlanta would decide to throw money at us for some reason, which isn't plausible. Maybe if the Falcons and UGA didn't exist, but, they do.
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But we don’t have to win at NIL - if enough big schools play the game the talent will get spread out and the gap between haves and have nots lessens.

25 schools landing 2 five stars is better than 10 schools landing 5 when two of those 10 are our rivals.
 
vapspwi said:
I’m curious how many Fortune 500 companies our alumni own. I know there are at least a few prominent companies with Tech alums as CEO.

The thing is, at least for the spirit of the NIL stuff (players getting paid to endorse or represent a product, or selling autographs or whatever) rather than the reality (rich alums paying players), our locally-known at best (outside of generational exceptions like Calvin) aren’t going to move the needle advertising for a Fortune 500 company.

I believe that folks who make the leap from “we have a lot of rich and powerful alums, therefore NIL should be a boon for us” aren’t really thinking the situation through with enough depth and detail.

JRjr
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I hear you, and that’s what I’m saying. We have REALLY smart alumnus who see this as a loss or maybe net zero at best. We need to be competitive to gain the attention of these companies, but it’s gonna be tough when we can’t get those high caliber players. We’re basically stuck in this succ paradox, and the only way out is some random season that garners a high caliber recruiting class.
 
knoxjacket said:
But we don’t have to win at NIL - if enough big schools play the game the talent will get spread out and the gap between haves and have nots lessens.

25 schools landing 2 five stars is better than 10 schools landing 5 when two of those 10 are our rivals.
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I don't think NIL will really spread that much talent around. The high-end recruits are going to chase elite coaches, facilities, program stability, etc over getting $25,000 to sign with Arkansas. The very, very few sure-fire LeBron-tier prospects people would actually throw around serious money for...will get the same money thrown at them by the already-dominant programs.

NIL might help cash-rich, B-list programs that aren't far from being elite on the margins (Texas A&M, Michigan State, Oklahoma State, Oregon, whatever). You know, yeah, maybe some high 4* kid from Ohio would take $50,000 to get guaranteed playing time and be coached by Mel Tucker instead of clawing for playing time at Ohio State. It's not going to help the D-list programs that are a hair's breadth away from dropping P5 football.
 
What a bunch of whining, Nothing has changed. The system has been and still is corrupt. The only difference now is that different schools may be in a position to take advantage of the corruption. So, sorry if I don’t get upset that now Texas A&M and others have a way to beat Bama and UGA at the corruption game.

And for those who believe the little team now has no chance please tell me when the little team ever had a chance? Our 1990 season is a perfect example of the corruption that I’ve been screaming about forever. The corruption has just changed. Back in 1990 the corruption centered around the below board bowl money that exchanged hands in order to buy fanbases for bowl games. Hence, the Orange Bowl bought Notre Dame. And the above board corruption was teams and the media conspiring on the media votes. For you young people, yes, the media use to “vote” on who the national champ was. For GT we were the only undefeated team in the nation and beat a #1 ranked team. Yet, Colorado won the media vote as the AP National Champ. Why? Corruption. Their conference and the western media did not want a southern team to be crowned, If it wasn’t for 1 vote in the UPI poll we would have been the only undefeated team and would not have won anything.

The only way for the little guy to ever have a real chance is via an expanded playoff system where there are witnesses to any on field corruption. As for the past 60 years the little guy has never had a chance when the media could vote regardless of the on field results and when the NCAA let the money teams buy players like Herschel, Cam, etc. This latest version of NIL is just a yawner to me compared to past corruption.
 
knoxjacket said:
But we don’t have to win at NIL - if enough big schools play the game the talent will get spread out and the gap between haves and have nots lessens.

25 schools landing 2 five stars is better than 10 schools landing 5 when two of those 10 are our rivals.
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Not sure I'm following how allowing schools to pay players makes our recruiting better. The talent will follow the money. Schools with more money will be able to hire more talent. Bama will be able to take a risk paying Gibbs $100k (just an example) while also having other 5*s on the roster, while we might have like $200k total to pay our top players.
 
Jmonty71 said:
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Alabama QB Bryce Young Nets NIL Deal with BMW of Tuscaloosa

The Heisman Trophy winner will be repping a different German automobile than Nick Saban.
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Here is my question. What is to stop coaches and boosters that own businesses from paying kids to play for a school? Maybe I am wrong, but if someone gets paid, to play a sport, should they NOT lose their amateur status? I know that GT will NEVER have the booster backing like a UGA, Bama, Auburn, Notre Dame and such... Is it just me, or are we seeing the end of college football, as we know it?
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Have you been at the space station and just touched down? That's ok, it's easy to get disgusted and tune out. Now the future looks like this - college football fans, a dwindling number as many have rightfully discovered there are other things in life to get worked up over, will likely tune in the first few games out of morbid curiosity. Just to see how our free agents fare against your free agents. In some cases, (like Ole Miss v Ga Tech) to see how the ex's perform for their new team. After the first few games, players with a bitch begin hitting the portal mid season. Of course, the easy come easy go portal is the most prominent issue, alongside the NIL money being dished out to high schooler's with some narcissistic mom or dad shaking down a runner for the most they can get. A multitude of other issues demonstrate how inept college football has become. Fake injuries and moronic officiating just to point out a few. So, that's the follow up to your question - yes, college football is gone as we know it.
 
While donations make a huge part of what allows some schools to be successful, the donors do not donate for nothing. They get massive amounts of money (many multiples) back.

Where does the $200mm for a locker room go? It goes to contractors, construction companies, building companies, people who sell weights, etc.

It’s these people who are the biggest donors because they know the corrupt system launders their money into tax free donations, and then combined with state funds, fees, and TV money, it will come right back into their pockets.

Tech suffers because our alumni base isn’t filled with local and provincial car sellers and construction companies and landlords and brokers.

Tech alumni run and work in global companies that don’t benefit as much from local small town construction contracts, for example.

Any donations from Tech alumni is a pure donation. But in most other schools actual charitable donations are only a tiny portion of the corruption racket donations that are the actual meat of the funding.
 
StraightFresh said:
Yeah, we are an awful fit for NIL. Having a bunch of random 50-year olds worth like $6 M is nowhere enough to matter on the scale of college football, the only things that matter are A) giant, passionate fanbases (the SEC), ultra-wealthy billionaire boosters (Oregon, OK State), or some combination of the two (the Big Ten, A&M).

Your Duke, Stanford, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Cal, etc have no hand to play here. Our only hope is that somehow Corporate Atlanta would decide to throw money at us for some reason, which isn't plausible. Maybe if the Falcons and UGA didn't exist, but, they do.
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Stanford has more billionaire alums than any school in FBS.

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And millionaires

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If I am AD at Stanford, Cal, USC, or another Pac12 school with a wealthy, liberal alumni base I’m couching NIL in “social justice” terms to shame my alums into paying the most for players.
 
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