Stop Blaming the Previous Coach

RamblinWreck92 said:
I agree that our WR corps is probably our offensive strength. But as you yourself said, "If we can find a QB" and our OL has been decimated with injury and Braun departure.

We've got an option guy at QB in TO and a RS FR in JG trying to work miracles behind a patchwork OL. This site bitched and complained about the OL and Sewak (self included) for years.

So why the expectations that an inexperienced OL going to a completely-new blocking scheme is going to work without a hitch and a completely inexperienced QB learning his 2nd new offense in 2 years is going to master the playbook and kick ass?
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There's a massive chasm in between kicking ass and losing to Citadel. We should be somewhere in there. Losing to Temple is not good, but not shocking. Getting shut out is BAD.

We literally have the worst offense in FBS right now, statistically. We have some significant talent deficiencies, but not nearly to that degree.
 
johncu said:
You guys that are blaming PJ sound like people who cry about the President for 4 years, and then when their guy gets elected and is even worse, they still blame the previous guy because they can't process the fact that they were wrong. You went from complaining about games where we scored 30 points but got stopped on a key drive, to trying to justify getting blanked by Temple.

Paul Johnson was a very good coach at GT. Not perfect, but usually good and sometimes great. He almost always had us punching above our weight, at times incredibly so. Those of you who thought he was a problem that we needed to be rid of should be embarrassed, especially after what we've seen so far. It was time for him to go, but saying he drove us to where we are now is absurd. We almost won our division just last season.

That being said, it's still too early to definitively judge Collins. He's obviously a better program salesman than PJ, so if he becomes anywhere near as good of a coach, we'll have some fun football to watch. Until then, we get to watch what happens when we no longer out-scheme our opponents on a weekly basis.
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I dunno know man, I think most people can agree that Millard Fillmore was pretty bad as president. His biggest group of supporters were actually called the Know Nothings. He was certainly not a fan of GT football.
 
johncu said:
You guys that are blaming PJ sound like people who cry about the President for 4 years, and then when their guy gets elected and is even worse, they still blame the previous guy because they can't process the fact that they were wrong. You went from complaining about games where we scored 30 points but got stopped on a key drive, to trying to justify getting blanked by Temple.

Paul Johnson was a very good coach at GT. Not perfect, but usually good and sometimes great. He almost always had us punching above our weight, at times incredibly so. Those of you who thought he was a problem that we needed to be rid of should be embarrassed, especially after what we've seen so far. It was time for him to go, but saying he drove us to where we are now is absurd. We almost won our division just last season.

That being said, it's still too early to definitively judge Collins. He's obviously a better program salesman than PJ, so if he becomes anywhere near as good of a coach, we'll have some fun football to watch. Until then, we get to watch what happens when we no longer out-scheme our opponents on a weekly basis.
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You guys quit bringing up the old coach while trashing the new coach.
 
ramblinwise1 said:
You guys quit bringing up the old coach while trashing the new coach.
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Are past results not relevant when evaluating current performance? That's how you set your expectations. Decades of beating every single FCS team we faced and never getting shut out by G5 teams says that right now this team is historically bad.
 
johncu said:
Are past results not relevant when evaluating current performance? That's how you set your expectations. Decades of beating every single FCS team we faced and never getting shut out by G5 teams says that right now this team is historically bad.
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Yes but the state of the current team could have more to do with the previous coach than the present coach.
 
NEJacket1 said:
Yes similar. Yo no comprendo? Truth hurts...doesn't it. Collins can't get sh*t right on the field. It's not the players...it's the coaching that has created this nightmare. There should never be a reason to win 1 or 2 games a year. I don't give a sh*t what offense you run. We didn't score a FN point against Temple. All of a sudden in the eyes of some, including Collins, Temple is on par with Ohio State.
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And minnesota the same as ugag.
 
The previous coach knew the jig was up and the smoke was blown away and the mirrors were cracked.

He saw what a Laz Y Boy recruiting attitude had wrought.

Not to mention getting his teeth kicked in by puke, ugag and minnesota.

He isn't dumb and he did not want to be around to answer for this roster numbers mess. Now sewak might have had our OL doing " better" because anyone can teach dirty.

This previous nonsense was doomed after the ut game. That was everything in a nutshell.
 
Looking at recruiting rankings and then position group rankings, it’s clear the coaching staffs at Wake and UVA are doing pretty well developing players.
 
texstinger said:
The previous coach knew the jig was up and the smoke was blown away and the mirrors were cracked.

He saw what a Laz Y Boy recruiting attitude had wrought.

Not to mention getting his teeth kicked in by puke, ugag and minnesota.

He isn't dumb and he did not want to be around to answer for this roster numbers mess. Now sewak might have had our OL doing " better" because anyone can teach dirty.

This previous nonsense was doomed after the ut game. That was everything in a nutshell.
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Weak. Revising history about the previous coach to rationalize losing to the Citadel. Look at our recruiting rankings since 2002 when Rivals started recording them:

2019 - 43
2018 - 53
2017 - 41
2016 - 67
2015 - 39
2014 - 47
2013 - 84
2012 - 57
2011- 41
2010 - 43
2009 - 49
2008 - 49
2007 - 18
2006 - 57
2005 - 62
2004 - 56
2003 - 49
2002 - 62

Please show me the downward spiral that you and others claim exists. I see one outlier year 12 years ago, and then a bunch of the same both before and after. If anything, our recruiting had trended UP slightly. We were a mediocre team the last couple years because we had mediocre players and didn't have a good enough QB to overcome that. So kindly take your nonsense about how bad our program was somewhere else.
 
johncu said:
Are past results not relevant when evaluating current performance? That's how you set your expectations. Decades of beating every single FCS team we faced and never getting shut out by G5 teams says that right now this team is historically bad.
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You are such a hypocrite.
 
Techbert said:
You are such a hypocrite.
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How so? I didn't say CPJ (or CCG or CGO for that matter) wasn't relevant to discussion. I said it was stupid to blame him for awful offensive coaching this season and even stupider to create the false narrative that he drove the program into a ditch. He ended his tenure with a bowl game and a string of recruiting classes at or slightly above our recent historical average.

I still don't see how that is so controversial.
 
It was never about wins or losses. Many of the Georgia Tech fans were flat out embarrassed by the service academy offense even though it was often times prolific. It just wasn't what the cool kids were doing.

Sure the know nothing media picked on the offense even though they didn't know a cut block from a chop block or a rocket toss from an option pitch.

While opposing coaches and fans sometimes mocked it they all knew deep down it was going to be 60 Minutes of hell trying to stop it.

GT is now something a Paul Johnson's team never was..an easy out.
 
johncu said:
Weak. Revising history about the previous coach to rationalize losing to the Citadel. Look at our recruiting rankings since 2002 when Rivals started recording them:

2019 - 43
2018 - 53
2017 - 41
2016 - 67
2015 - 39
2014 - 47
2013 - 84
2012 - 57
2011- 41
2010 - 43
2009 - 49
2008 - 49
2007 - 18
2006 - 57
2005 - 62
2004 - 56
2003 - 49
2002 - 62

Please show me the downward spiral that you and others claim exists. I see one outlier year 12 years ago, and then a bunch of the same both before and after. If anything, our recruiting had trended UP slightly. We were a mediocre team the last couple years because we had mediocre players and didn't have a good enough QB to overcome that. So kindly take your nonsense about how bad our program was somewhere else.
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If I had time, I would do a breakdown of our offensive vs defensive recruiting because it really seems like virtually all our high 3 to 4 stars were on D (thanks to Coaches Roof and McCollum). It seems like most of our reaches were on the OL where we took several 2 star system fits. BBack is really the only offensive position where we got guys other P5 schools were after (well, QB somewhat, as ATH's). Then you've got the A backs who are positionless in the new system and relegated to Special Teams.

Not really refuting you, but I think this adds a little context to the transition. No doubt we are performing at the bottom end of expectations currently, but it really is a big task, so I am giving the staff a lot of slack.
 
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johncu said:
He almost always had us punching above our weight, at times incredibly so.
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There's a reason the roster was always lighter than our opponents by the time he left here and we were clearly trending downwards in W-L as the roster got lighter each year. He was a great coach for us but it was also time for a change before we reached a point of no return.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
There's a reason the roster was always lighter than our opponents by the time he left here and we were clearly trending downwards in W-L as the roster got lighter each year. He was a great coach for us but it was also time for a change before we reached a point of no return.
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johncu said:
How so? I didn't say CPJ (or CCG or CGO for that matter) wasn't relevant to discussion. I said it was stupid to blame him for awful offensive coaching this season and even stupider to create the false narrative that he drove the program into a ditch. He ended his tenure with a bowl game and a string of recruiting classes at or slightly above our recent historical average.

I still don't see how that is so controversial.
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How can you constantly blame everything on the coaching this year? We apparently can't execute well enough on offense for them to call the plays that seem obvious to us. No we've never lost to an FCS team and we shouldn't ever in a normal year. This year isn't normal. With the changes being made, the deficiencies on the OL (and elsewhere), and the fact that the 3O is a great equalizer (we used to claim that, but apparently have since forgotten), it all made for a perfect storm. That was also their super bowl and they were extremely motivated. I don't think anybody is arguing that we made some bad coaching calls that game, but that happens to everybody from time to time and some of you are arguing this thing to death. What is your point? Do you think we fire everybody and start over after 4 games? Who do you think would or could be doing any better right now given our situation? I don't know if anybody can. Have you ever heard the saying, you need your best talent closest to the ball? That is our weak link. Yes we have talent at WR, talent at RB, and each QB has his strengths, but none are complete. This coupled with a piecemeal OL is a disaster in the making. We could have mediocre RB and WR, but if we had ANY decent experience on OL and QB, it would completely flip the script. Look at it like this: Why do you think a vast majority of our transfers didn't land anywhere?
 
Lion82 said:
It was never about wins or losses. Many of the Georgia Tech fans were flat out embarrassed by the service academy offense even though it was often times prolific. It just wasn't what the cool kids were doing.

Sure the know nothing media picked on the offense even though they didn't know a cut block from a chop block or a rocket toss from an option pitch.

While opposing coaches and fans sometimes mocked it they all knew deep down it was going to be 60 Minutes of hell trying to stop it.

GT is now something a Paul Johnson's team never was..an easy out.
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Eh. Teams hated playing the option because it forced their defenders to do things they don't normally do and to prepare and play in a way they don't particularly enjoy. The better teams on our schedule were having little trouble shutting it down once the whistle blew. Granted, we could still demolish bad teams (VPI) or hapless DCs (VanGorder) with it.
 
smokey_wasp said:
If I had time, I would do a breakdown of our offensive vs defensive recruiting because it really seems like virtually all our high 3 to 4 stars were on D (thanks to Coaches Roof and McCollum). It seems like most of our reaches were on the OL where we took several 2 star system fits. BBack is really the only offensive position where we got guys other P5 schools were after (well, QB somewhat, as ATH's). Then you've got the A backs who are positionless in the new system and relegated to Special Teams.

Not really refuting you, but I think this adds a little context to the transition. No doubt we are performing at the bottom end of expectations currently, but it really is a big task, so I am giving the staff a lot of slack.
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I basically did that and there is a pretty noticeable difference. One recent year, I think our top 5-6 recruits were all on defense. Another 4 of 5 were. The recent except is Graham but he didn't get a 4 star rating for playing QB.

Most ACC teams have at least 1 4-star OL, we don't. Most ACC teams have a 4-Star QB on their roster; we don't. In fact, none of our QBs were even recruited by ACC teams.
 
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