The ACC

[USCJacket]

It used to be that the ACC was a basketball conference. I looked at this weeks AP Top 25, one ACC team, 10 SEC teams. WTH?

Did you see the record of the once proud hoops conference ACC vs the sec this year? It’s downright pathetic. ACC is 2-14.

Sankey made it a point to upgrade hoops, and somehow just like that, quickly passed the ACC in a blink of an eye. Admittedly I quit watching CBB, NBA combined with MLB (who the hell even watches postseason at this point?) within the last decade due to how boring they’ve become. But I still can’t believe how far the ACC has fallen in hoops.

 

[sowegajacket]

were a slightly above average team in a below average conference.

 

[USCJacket]

This reminds me of last year's playoff selection show. FSU went undefeated all season, they literally won every game, what else can you do to prove yourself worthy? Then the 4 teams selected was revealed and the talking heads on whatever show I was watching looked embarrassed and ashamed of themselves to be involved in such a screw job. It was like they were avoiding making eye contact with the camera while they had to rationalize things to the audience. It is hard to beat the system when things are rigged against you.

Are you forgetting the real reason why FSU was left out of the CFP? Jordan Travis was what made that offense run. FSU had 2 games to show that his injury wasn’t going to impact the team in a major way, and that wasn’t the case against a bad UF team and a UofL team coming off an embarrassing loss to Kensucky.

That FSU team without Jordan Travis would have lost by 30+ to Michigan. I don’t agree with the CFP committee based on W/L record, but I think a majority of you forget who would have played Michigan instead.

 

[gt2690b]

Are you forgetting the real reason why FSU was left out of the CFP? Jordan Travis was what made that offense run. FSU had 2 games to show that his injury wasn’t going to impact the team in a major way, and that wasn’t the case against a bad UF team and a UofL team coming off an embarrassing loss to Kensucky.

That FSU team without Jordan Travis would have lost by 30+ to Michigan. I don’t agree with the CFP committee based on W/L record, but I think a majority of you forget who would have played Michigan instead.

Did you forget they still won without Jordan Travis?

Blah blah Florida was down gimme a break

 

[ClubSeats]

Bowl performance is critical. So critical that many pro prospects sit them out... or play just long enough to break a record before bailing.

By the time next season starts, most people will be hardpressed to tell you a single non-playoff bowl result outside of the one their team played in.

Miami will be remembered this year

 

[GT65_UGA89]

Did you see the record of the once proud hoops conference ACC vs the sec this year? It’s downright pathetic. ACC is 2-14.

Sankey made it a point to upgrade hoops, and somehow just like that, quickly passed the ACC in a blink of an eye. Admittedly I quit watching CBB, NBA combined with MLB (who the hell even watches postseason at this point?) within the last decade due to how boring they’ve become. But I still can’t believe how far the ACC has fallen in hoops.

Yeah that 2-14 was pathetic. Similar to you, where I was once an avid CBB fan, spanning 1980-mid 2000’s, the one-and-done era ruined the sport for me. I haven’t watched the NBA in 30 years.

 

[USCJacket]

Did you forget they still won without Jordan Travis?

Blah blah Florida was down gimme a break

It was about the best 4 teams, not most deserving before this season.

And had the 12 team field been in place last year, FSU would be #4 and likely in the position of BSU, ASU this year. Likely getting blown out this week. Travis was that offense.

Simple tweak to the formula in 2025. Rank the teams 1-12 regardless of conference championship. No one can tell me that ASU, BSU, Texas, PSU are better than #7 tOSU. tOSU already proved that against PSU.

 

[gt2690b]

It was about the best 4 teams, not most deserving before this season.

And had the 12 team field been in place last year, FSU would be #4 and likely in the position of BSU, ASU this year. Likely getting blown out this week. Travis was that offense.

Simple tweak to the formula in 2025. Rank the teams 1-12 regardless of conference championship. No one can tell me that ASU, BSU, Texas, PSU are better than #7 tOSU. tOSU already proved that against PSU.

We should just let Vegas decide

 

[GTLiebs]

It was about the best 4 teams, not most deserving before this season.

And had the 12 team field been in place last year, FSU would be #4 and likely in the position of BSU, ASU this year. Likely getting blown out this week. Travis was that offense.

Simple tweak to the formula in 2025. Rank the teams 1-12 regardless of conference championship. No one can tell me that ASU, BSU, Texas, PSU are better than #7 tOSU. tOSU already proved that against PSU.

It's a matter of opinion. Making it about the "best" teams is a very subjective idea that will eventually result in a shitty and boring product. Even if these games or future games are blowouts, there is some level of interest and anticipation before the game. If (and when, if it becomes 100% subjective) it becomes an SEC/Big 10 showcase, anticipation and interest will drop before the games are even played as it all becomes stale. There needs to be some measure of earning or deserving, something fully objective, or it becomes a beauty/bias contest.

No, I can't convince you that ASU or BSU are better than OSU, but I can tell you that trying to use that opinion (which is all it is, regardless of how informed) as the sole guiding principle is a crap idea.

 

[JJacket]

50 posts just to say the ACC sux

 

[GoBees]

Individual facts generally aren't remembered. But "the ACC sucks" generality will be greatly strengthened by this bowl season. Like it was by FSU taking it balls deep last year in a bowl. These things snow ball. It's to the point that the ACC would have to go undefeated in bowls for at least three years in a row to even begin to change the narrative.

Yeah, but basketball. Oh, never mind.

 

[RoanokeJacket]

Simple tweak to the formula in 2025. Rank the teams 1-12 regardless of conference championship.

So somebody still is voting for it? Your solutions will end my interest, such as it is.

CFB has been the only sport I have left.

 

[mookie43]

All but one wasn't embarrassed, Mr. SEC aka Paul Finebaum repeatedly said FSU didn't deserve to be in the 2023 playoffs, naturally Finebaum said Alabama deserved it more than FSU, with the main contention being, FSU didn't have their starting QB available. Where was the outcry when UGa's starting QB (Beck) got hurt? I am telling you, everything is being rigged in favor of ESPN's favorite brand....................the SEC!

Georgia got an automatic bid because they won the conference championship. They didn't have automatic bids last year.

 

[smokey_wasp]

It was about the best 4 teams, not most deserving before this season.

And had the 12 team field been in place last year, FSU would be #4 and likely in the position of BSU, ASU this year. Likely getting blown out this week. Travis was that offense.

Simple tweak to the formula in 2025. Rank the teams 1-12 regardless of conference championship. No one can tell me that ASU, BSU, Texas, PSU are better than #7 tOSU. tOSU already proved that against PSU.

Appears to be what they are going to do

 

[JJacket]

Appears to be what they are going to do

The BIG10 and SEC already set this in motion when their commissioners had a meeting before the season about the future of college football, and invited no other conference commissioners or university presidents.

 

[G776T]

Appears to be what they are going to do

A little premature before Boise and ASU have even played.

Either way its dumb, this is how seeding works in all other playoff sports (with the exception of March Madness, if you consider that a playoff). The only thing wrong with the seeding is that Clemson should have actually been the 5 seed.

 

[BravoWhiskey]

Seems like the ranking doesn’t matter that much at all.

They should re-seed the teams based on strength of schedule, record against common opponents, points for/against, etc.

There’s this whole computer model that can do everything that the “eye test” has failed to do.

How quickly we forget that the BCS really worked pretty well. Perhaps we harmonize all the good pieces of all these different playoff models and actually make something attractive.

Regardless of the outcome there will never be 100% acceptance. The internet and social media have created a culture that leads people to complain about mundane things and play victim.

So in the end it really doesn’t even matter.

 

[jacket67]

 

[USCJacket]

It's a matter of opinion. Making it about the "best" teams is a very subjective idea that will eventually result in a shitty and boring product. Even if these games or future games are blowouts, there is some level of interest and anticipation before the game. If (and when, if it becomes 100% subjective) it becomes an SEC/Big 10 showcase, anticipation and interest will drop before the games are even played as it all becomes stale. There needs to be some measure of earning or deserving, something fully objective, or it becomes a beauty/bias contest.

No, I can't convince you that ASU or BSU are better than OSU, but I can tell you that trying to use that opinion (which is all it is, regardless of how informed) as the sole guiding principle is a crap idea.

So tOSU being ranked behind a team in PSU (who they beat @ PSU) makes sense to you?

The CFP committee got the right 12 teams in, no idiot sec fan can legitimately argue otherwise at this point.

That said, we’re about to see the B1G/sec strong arm the ACC, B12, G5. And you know in the end, the ACC, B12, G5 will accept the change to the seeding format. They really have no choice at this point. If not, the B1G, sec + ND could then take their ball and create NFL lite. That really would be the death knell of the ACC, B12 and CFB as we know it.

So somebody still is voting for it? Your solutions will end my interest, such as it is.

CFB has been the only sport I have left.

What’s the difference between that and every other D1A CFB championship throughout history though? Between preseason polls, to final polls, they’ve always had the human element. Funny how all other levels of football can have a real Playoff format that reasonably works (outside of the NFL with a team with a lesser record who wins the division getting a #3, #4 seed and hosting a game against a better team from another division). This year that looks to be the Bucs hosting Washington, Houston hosting the Chargers, Rams hosting the loser of Minnesota/Detroit for example.

Outside of F1 and golf (minus LIV) I’m right there with you.

 

[USCJacket]

Appears to be what they are going to do

And this is where the B1G, sec & ND will strong arm the ACC, B12, G5. While the ACC, B12, G5 have the votes to say no, the G5 will flip their vote knowing they will be completely left out of the CFP otherwise. This is HUGE $$$ for that school selected, and no way will they let their seat at the table disappear.

Right or wrong, it’s what will happen this Spring. I’m actually in favor of the 16 teams 4 + 4 + 4 + 2 option being thrown out there. Yes, it guarantees the B1G, sec 4 teams each, but also guarantees the ACC, B12 2 each, with a shot at 3.

What real option does the ACC, B12 have at this point? Only other option is merging the ACC, B12 together to become the 3rd super conference.