The entire sporting world

Knows GT won that game. The only people in denial are uga fans who benefited from the steal.

The whole world knows. That’s why the whole world is declaring it.
Nope.
Not the referee’s fault Georgia Tech did not score more points in the first half with 300 yards of offense. The referees didn’t let UGA drive down the field in 80 seconds and score a TD in the 4th quarter. The referees did not fumble the ball and let UGA score another TD in the 4th quarter.

I love Georgia Tech. I really wish they had won. But I’m not that fan.
 
Nope.
Not the referee’s fault Georgia Tech did not score more points in the first half with 300 yards of offense. The referees didn’t let UGA drive down the field in 80 seconds and score a TD in the 4th quarter. The referees did not fumble the ball and let UGA score another TD in the 4th quarter.

I love Georgia Tech. I really wish they had won. But I’m not that fan.
Are you saying we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory?

I had a bad feeling when we went to a prevent defense.
 
Ehh... this one is debatable.
One question I have about that play. Its not related to whether or not it was targeting.

So, if I recall, HK got the ball past the first down marker - he only needed a yard. So forward progress dictates a first down. After that, he was pushed back (involuntarily) and then the ball was knocked loose. At what point is the play dead?

Seems the player's (HK's) forward progress was stopped which I thought was supposed to be the end of the play. Seems he was stood up to allow the other guy to bulldoze him. I heard the same player who targeted King was thrown out of the dwag/TX game over the exact same thing. Probably worth a look to see if this is something they practice.
 
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The whining is getting to be a bit much...we're at the point where people are complaining that the officials weren't calling an illegal shift on U[sic]GA's defense when that penalty doesn't even relate to defense.
I brought this up, although I don’t think it’s whining to say the referees need to actually enforce a rule that was a point of emphasis this year. It happened before the first down play on the drive in which Haynes fumbled. Had they called it correctly, we get the first down and probably ice the game.
 
Are you saying we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory?

I had a bad feeling when we went to a prevent defense.
We made the same mistake the week before against NC State but we got away with it. Georgia is a better football team than NC State. We didn’t get away with it.
 
I brought this up, although I don’t think it’s whining to say the referees need to actually enforce a rule that was a point of emphasis this year. It happened before the first down play on the drive in which Haynes fumbled. Had they called it correctly, we get the first down and probably ice the game.
There is no way that calling illegal shifts on defense was a point of emphasis this year, because it is not illegal for a defense to shift.

It is illegal for defenses to simulate a snap by clapping, yelling, etc, but there's nothing in the rule book against shifting, "quickly" or otherwise.
 
One question I have about that play. Its not related to whether or not it was targeting.

So, if I recall, HK got the ball past the first down marker - he only needed a yard. So forward progress dictates a first down. After that, he was pushed back (involuntarily) and then the ball was knocked loose. At what point is the play dead?

Seems the player's (HK's) forward progress was stopped which I thought was supposed to be the end of the play. Seems he was stood up to allow the other guy to bulldoze him. I heard the same player who targeted King was thrown out of the dwag/TX game over the exact same thing. Probably worth a look to see if this is something they practice.
The play is dead when the refs blow the whistle and say it's dead. It's sort of a gray area and they consider it dead when they see fit, and then they blow the whistle. So anything that happens during the whistle or shortly thereafter would be considered "after the play." Here, they never even mentioned that although it seemed the line judge had already blown his whistle and was coming in with his arm raised giving King the 1st down. After review they probably thought, "man we'll get a hell of a raise if we let this fumble stand."
 
There is no way that calling illegal shifts on defense was a point of emphasis this year, because it is not illegal for a defense to shift.

It is illegal for defenses to simulate a snap by clapping, yelling, etc, but there's nothing in the rule book against shifting, "quickly" or otherwise.
They actually did make it a point of emphasis that quick movements by the line in unison that cause the offensive line to jump is in fact a delay of game penalty. It was being called a good bit early in the season. It kinda faded away.
 
They actually did make it a point of emphasis that quick movements by the line in unison that cause the offensive line to jump is in fact a delay of game penalty. It was being called a good bit early in the season. It kinda faded away.
It's not the shift that is the penalty. They can't clap or use an audible "signal" to do it that mimics the snap. That is what the penalty is. Shifting (stemming is the actual correct term) is legal.
 
It's not the shift that is the penalty. They can't clap or use an audible "signal" to do it that mimics the snap. That is what the penalty is. Shifting (stemming is the actual correct term) is legal.

We’ve had at least two other games where that shift right before the snap got called. I don’t have a problem with it not being called.

The PI and, especially, the targeting were the blown calls. The targeting was reviewable.
 
We’ve had at least two other games where that shift right before the snap got called. I don’t have a problem with it not being called.

The PI and, especially, the targeting were the blown calls. The targeting was reviewable.
And the hold.
 
It's not the shift that is the penalty. They can't clap or use an audible "signal" to do it that mimics the snap. That is what the penalty is. Shifting (stemming is the actual correct term) is legal.
I’m just telling you what was called earlier in the season. I’m not making a judgment on this play. Maybe there was more to it than what I recall, but I’m pretty sure there wasn’t. I think that’s part of why it faded away it became too difficult and subjective for officials to call.
 
They actually did make it a point of emphasis that quick movements by the line in unison that cause the offensive line to jump is in fact a delay of game penalty. It was being called a good bit early in the season. It kinda faded away.

I know that simulating the snap is a penalty and was a point of emphasis, but I'd never heard that apply to the line shifting in unison to attack different gaps, which a lot of teams do and what U[sic]GA did on the play in question.

My understanding was that simulating the snap usually involes clapping, yelling, etc. (which of course could be used in conjunction with a shift) or perhaps jumping towards the line or something similar. I'd expect it faded away because teams stopped doing it once they started getting called for it consistently.

Preventing the defensive line from shifting in unison period seems pretty limiting and I'd be surprised to hear it was a point of emphasis to prohibit.
 
For the people saying “let it go” or whatever…

I’m still pissed about the call in 2014 where the refs gave Georgia a 99 yard TD when the play was clearly dead.

That was a game that should have never made it to OT either, but thankfully we won it.
 
I’m just telling you what was called earlier in the season. I’m not making a judgment on this play. Maybe there was more to it than what I recall, but I’m pretty sure there wasn’t. I think that’s part of why it faded away it became too difficult and subjective for officials to call.
And I'm telling you what the penalty is. They don't call a penalty for an illegal shift on the defense. The penalty they call when they do that is "delay of game on the defense for disconcerting signals", and it's because of the audible clap or the call made by a LB. It's not for the shift itself.
 
For the people saying “let it go” or whatever…

I’m still pissed about the call in 2014 where the refs gave Georgia a 99 yard TD when the play was clearly dead.

That was a game that should have never made it to OT either, but thankfully we won it.
Well, maybe not everyone wants to end up posting like you on gameday, so they choose a different path?
 
And I'm telling you what the penalty is. They don't call a penalty for an illegal shift on the defense. The penalty they call when they do that is "delay of game on the defense for disconcerting signals", and it's because of the audible clap or the call made by a LB. It's not for the shift itself.
And I’m telling you earlier in the season it was very subjective and refs were simply calling it for the defensive line all moving this season. They were interpreting abrupt movements that caused a false start as a delay of game penalty in more than a few games. Now whether that was an incorrect interpretation and that’s why it stopped maybe is true. But I know it was called for little more than an entire line shifting in unison or stemming if you prefer. I know the rule. I also know they wanted it called more, and it was being called more and coaches weren’t too happy.
 
For the people saying “let it go” or whatever…

I’m still pissed about the call in 2014 where the refs gave Georgia a 99 yard TD when the play was clearly dead.

That was a game that should have never made it to OT either, but thankfully we won it.

That one was really bad, but the worse one was when they were literally pulling players off the pile and then let the ball be returned for a TD. Don't remember what year that was, but it was really incredible.

That's why it's hard for me to get too worked up about the reffing in this one. Yes there were a couple 50/50 calls that didn't go our way and at least one bad hold that should've been called, but there was nothing like what we've seen in the past.

And we even had a key call go our way in OT and couldn't win the game from the 1.5 yard line.
 
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Player(s) aligned in a stationary position within one yard of the line of scrimmage may not make quick or abrupt actions that are not part of normal defensive player movement in an obvious attempt to cause an offensive player(s) to foul (false start). An official shall sound his whistle immediately [S7 and S21].
 
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