They mad bro.....

Curry was actually successful after leaving, winning the SEC his third season; but the fans hated him for 0-3 against Auburn (he couldn't beat Auburn while at GT either). I think some of the fans blame him for the Iron Bowl becoming a home-n-home series even when I seriously doubt he had anything to do with it. I remember it being a shock nationally when Curry left after going 10-2 with a team that was ranked #7 at the end of season.
 
originalwombat said:
And I’m sure this is what governs Collins’ decision-making (“Before you do anything, Geoff, how has this work out for other Tech coaches...?”).
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You are just being intentionally obtuse. You know better.

If your hero does something and regrets it three days later.... Then your biggest professional mentor does the same thing and gets destroyed by it... And you learn other examples of it turning out badly but no examples of it working out for them... Why in the world would you jump into the same thing?
 
aeromech said:
Curry was actually successful after leaving, winning the SEC his third season; but the fans hated him for 0-3 against Auburn (he couldn't beat Auburn while at GT either). I think some of the fans blame him for the Iron Bowl becoming a home-n-home series even when I seriously doubt he had anything to do with it. I remember it being a shock nationally when Curry left after going 10-2 with a team that was ranked #7 at the end of season.
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Bobby Ross won the AFC. That is also pretty successful.
 
Anyways, back to the dawgs being scared. They seem to think they’re on the cusp (I guess they are) or winning a natty. They seem to think we aren’t a threat to them.

I’d agree but only for now. We have a long way to go but have come a long way in the short time Collins has been here. He still has to win games, but he can win recruiting battles as we’ve seen. They at least notice us so that says something.

I’m beginning to wonder if Collins is trying to do what Dabo did with Clemson years ago. But the only thing is that Collins MAY be able to turn it around WAY faster than Dabo did. It took Dabo some years to build it up. I think Collins is trying to do that exact thing but with hyper speed. It is possible imo. We are in a factory area for elite players. His ability to brand and use social media could really be a catalyst for his goal. Time will tell but we could be on the map QUICK.
 
originalwombat said:
I don’t think you people realize just how high the demand will be for a coach that can turn Tech into a perennial Top 25 team. Hell, even one of our former players-turned-coach left for a hated rival after achieving less!

(I can remind you of that case if you need a refresher).
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CGC could be very successful here and still not reach your pinnacle of perennial winner, Top 25 team. O'Leary's case proved that other programs understand how difficult it is to be even moderately successful at Tech. But I agree, if he does win the division, maybe even an ACC title or two, some success against Georgia and he will be a hot commodity.
 
aeromech said:
Yeah but he had Bobby Dodd advising him to leave. Fortunately Bobby Dodd's minions are becoming fewer and fewer each year. I would bet in hindsight Curry can see how misguided Dodd's advice was. If CGC can turn this team into a perennial Top 25 team the city will get behind the program and he would be passing up an opportunity to become a legend if he leaves. O'leary made a huge mistake in leaving that I hope Collins saw and took note of.
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O'Leary's huge mistake was embellishing his resume. But having won ten games only once, nine games only once and eight games only once, he got hired by Notre Dame. He was 36-22 overall in a mediocre conference, but he got hired by Notre Dame. If Tech goes to a bowl game this fall--even the Poulan Chainsaw Biloxi Classic, Collins will get phone calls.
 
wesgt123 said:
Anyways, back to the dawgs being scared. They seem to think they’re on the cusp (I guess they are) or winning a natty. They seem to think we aren’t a threat to them.

I’d agree but only for now. We have a long way to go but have come a long way in the short time Collins has been here. He still has to win games, but he can win recruiting battles as we’ve seen. They at least notice us so that says something.

I’m beginning to wonder if Collins is trying to do what Dabo did with Clemson years ago. But the only thing is that Collins MAY be able to turn it around WAY faster than Dabo did. It took Dabo some years to build it up. I think Collins is trying to do that exact thing but with hyper speed. It is possible imo. We are in a factory area for elite players. His ability to brand and use social media could really be a catalyst for his goal. Time will tell but we could be on the map QUICK.
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I don't know about quick, but I do think he will take us high. Dabo is a superb recruiter and CGC brings that to the table as well. Dabo also benefits from a pair of elite and highly-paid coordinators who've passed opportunities to HC elsewhere. That's the next step for us along with more improvement in recruiting. I think Thack can get there. Not sure about Patenaude. Fortunately our position coaches seem to be dynamite.
 
Is there any other team in the ACC that would have a thread about worrying that their coach might leave before he's even won 4 football games? Some of you people need professional help.

What I'm really, really stressed about and think we need a long thread on is how we are going to keep the head coach after CGC if that coach happens to have any success at all.
 
GTCrew said:
Is there any other team in the ACC that would have a thread about worrying that their coach might leave before he's even won 4 football games? Some of you people need professional help.

What I'm really, really stressed about and think we need a long thread on is how we are going to keep the head coach after CGC if that coach happens to have any success at all.
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Just off season conjecture.
 
Flywheel said:
I don't know about quick, but I do think he will take us high. Dabo is a superb recruiter and CGC brings that to the table as well. Dabo also benefits from a pair of elite and highly-paid coordinators who've passed opportunities to HC elsewhere. That's the next step for us along with more improvement in recruiting. I think Thack can get there. Not sure about Patenaude. Fortunately our position coaches seem to be dynamite.
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Agreed. Jury is definitely still out on Pat. He has a short leash imo but he’s got more to work with this year
 
originalwombat said:
Maybe you should be treated for delusion. Collins has done a great job convincing everyone he wants to be here. Because I'm sure he does. The alternative was Temple. But if you think Tech is his dream job...
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...then you've been taking him at his word.

And only a fool does that, don't you know.

They say a cynic is a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
 
originalwombat said:
And money. This caring individual will want to get paid.
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Nobody's ever left us for money. Alabama, the Chargers, Notre Dame... those weren't money decisions. They were the perception that a plateau had been reached here, and that a greater challenge, on a bigger stage was possible.

If someone wants to be in the NFL, we're gonna lose. But natural recruiters would be wasting a lot of talent in the NFL. I doubt Collins wants to be managing 32 year old has-beens rather than messaging 17 year hopefuls.

And with the CFP, the idea that only 'big programs' can win it all is long gone. Any P5 team now has a clear path to a National Championship.
 
Yukonwreck said:
O'Leary's huge mistake was embellishing his resume. But having won ten games only once, nine games only once and eight games only once, he got hired by Notre Dame. He was 36-22 overall in a mediocre conference, but he got hired by Notre Dame. If Tech goes to a bowl game this fall--even the Poulan Chainsaw Biloxi Classic, Collins will get phone calls.
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What a strange comment. GOL took over a program that was 1-10 in the year he took over. The very next year GOL got us a winning conference record, and within 4 years we had a Top 10 finish and a Heisman runner-up. Saying his record was mediocre really ignores what he started with.
 
Walton said:
I'm a Collins fan but given last year, we should be able to hold onto him for at least 3 seasons and he would have to do great things: at a minimum get back to the ACC Champ game and finish near the top 10.

Also, who is he going to leave for? I'm not saying it is impossible but he does have a lot of ties to the Atlanta area, he has a staff that has a lot of ties to GT. He isn't going to leave for a lateral move. He isn't going to leave for any other ACC school. Big 10? What is the connection? Big 12? Same.

So we are likely looking at the SEC and like I said, not lateral, Tenn or Auburn could throw a lot of money at him but if there are willing to do that, then that means he has done great things here so GT will also be willing to up the payment. I figure he would rather stay at GT and the program he built over moving to a program where he would have to build it up.

So then we are looking at Bama, UGA, LSU, Texas AM and Florida. UGA is out. Not good connections to LSU and Texas AM, so Bama and Florida seem like the only obvious choices.

If Bama wants him, then they probably get him but they will have their pick of 100 coaches to choose from. The likelihood that Collins is their 1st choice is slim. Basically the same for Florida but I think they likely would only want him if his record is special. Florida fans like to think they are Ohio State and Bama so they aren't going to take Collins if he looks like a "reach".

This is one thing I'm not worried about in the least. Collins doesn't have obvious ties that would cause him to leave quickly. He is also old enough that he needs GT to be very successful if he wants to have a good HC career and even the opportunity to get another job. His record isn't established enough that he would get another HC job with mediocre performance at GT. He is important to GT but GT is also very important to Coach Collins.
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TL;DR
 
18in32 said:
And with the CFP, the idea that only 'big programs' can win it all is long gone. Any P5 team now has a clear path to a National Championship.
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Based on what? The CFP 4 teams haven’t had much variety since it started.

There are about 10/15 programs with a shot to win it all based upon the current format. If the playoffs get expanded to 8 teams with an auto bid for a P5 champion, then sure, your comment would be valid. Until then, nope.
 
GT98 said:
Based on what? The CFP 4 teams haven’t had much variety since it started.

There are about 10/15 programs with a shot to win it all based upon the current format. If the playoffs get expanded to 8 teams with an auto bid for a P5 champion, then sure, your comment would be valid. Until then, nope.
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Based on the fact that no undefeated P5 has been excluded, unlike in the olden days.

People inexplicably look at the format as the problem. What's holding all those other teams back, whatever teams they may be, is the fact that they aren't winning enough. It ain't complicated. Ain't no P5 team been left out that deserved to be in the Top 4 so far. UCF is a whole 'nother story and not GT's problem.
 
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